Proposal: Bottom line guys do we believe Krug is a #1D?

[Steve Yzerlland]

If we do we have to go all-in right?

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[Steve Yzerlland]

What's our best offer without over extending ourselves?

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't believe he is a #1D but I still think we should go after him pretty hard. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I'm worried about his contract and the fact that we're going to be bad another few years regardless. In 2 years I'll be happy to start making moves like this but I don't think we're ready.

I do think he is a borderline 1D today. Would be a great PPQB

 

[Ezekial]

In before the lame joke about "Trug" meaning "Krug" mods can you fix this?

You can fix it by clicking edit on the OP and changing the title.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

He's not even a #2D. His offense (mostly PP production from TOI on a loaded B's squad) is #1D. 5on5, not so much...But, his D is a #5 at best. So average the 2 & you get a avg. #3...that wants 7yrs & $7-$8M

(on our team he'd be the best Dman, but that's not saying much)

 

[Oddbob]

On this team he is absolutely the runaway #1, but realistically he is a #2 who would be awesomely paired with a Pietrangelo type on top pair.

 

[kliq]

I voted no because I dont think he is a #1 D man, and I wouldnt "go all in" to sign him. With that said, I would make him an offer, but what I would offer probably wouldnt land him.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

We should not bring Krug in at all. Unless he's willing to sign like a 3 year deal. Otherwise, absolutely not.

 

[jkutswings]

I voted no because I dont think he is a #1 D man, and I wouldnt "go all in" to sign him. With that said, I would make him an offer, but what I would offer probably wouldnt land him.

Totally agree. Pietrangelo is the only big fish I'd really pursue. Otherwise add a second pair guy, a goalie, and then use some cap space to add more draft ammo. (I'd be very happy if Detroit acts as a third party to add one or more first round picks.)

 

[Pavels Dog]

Totally agree. Pietrangelo is the only big fish I'd really pursue. Otherwise add a second pair guy, a goalie, and then use some cap space to add more draft ammo. (I'd be very happy if Detroit acts as a third party to add one or more first round picks.)

If only a 2nd pair guy, kinda like a Torey Krug type, was available.

Oh wait, Torey Krug is a Torey Krug type!

 

[Henkka]

He is NOT overall 1D.

But he is Elite PP 1D and Elite transition 1D.

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At 2009-11.

Lidström was 1D and Rafalski 2D.

Cap was ~56M.

Liström was paid 7.45M and Rafalski 6M.

Under 81.5M, the relative numbers are:

- Lidström 10.8M (becoming Pietrangelo money)
- Rafalski 8.7M


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If we are gonna get Krug - we are gonna get him cheaper than Rafalski was vs. cap.

It's just mathematics.

 

[TheMule93]

I'd make an offer to him, we clearly have room to improve and still be a lottery team lol

He doesn't have to be a 1d he just needs to fix our powerplay

 

[jkutswings]

If only a 2nd pair guy, kinda like a Torey Krug type, was available.

Oh wait, Torey Krug is a Torey Krug type!

I mean a steady but unremarkable guy who deserves a $4Mx3 kinda deal. Not some $7Mx7 contract for a guy who's one dimensional.

Just looking for a legit warm body to hold the fort until the kids develop more. Krug isn't worth splashing on unless you're a Torey Krug away from Cup contention.

 

[Kingpin794]

Quite a loaded question and maybe not the right one.

In what sense do you mean?

Is he a 1D now? 3 years from? 5? For what kind of team? What is your definition of 1D?

Right now-Sure. On a good chunk of teams, including ours, he can be a first pairing guy.
3 years from now-Probably start to see him decline but will still be a good defenseman that you want to have.
5 years-His worth will probably be quite a bit less at this point.

So 2/3 years of top line production, 2 or so more of good play and then he's likely just meh from then on out. That's not going to sound attractive to most people. But I've said it before, at some point we have to try and make some improvement. By the time Krug is on the decline, guys like Seider, Johansson, Wallinder etc should be at the point that the slack will be picked up. Eventually we have to invest in putting better players around these young guys to aid in their development even if those guys will be washed up by the time we are next in contention. It doesn't have to be Krug but man it's got to be somebody.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I mean a steady but unremarkable guy who deserves a $4Mx3 kinda deal. Not some $7Mx7 contract for a guy who's one dimensional.

Just looking for a legit warm body to hold the fort until the kids develop more. Krug isn't worth splashing on unless you're a Torey Krug away from Cup contention.

...don't we have enough unremarkable guys on defense

Seriously, a 7x7 contract would not be amazing.. but dammit I don't think we should lean on Hronek to drive all the offense from the backend, or expect Seider to carry a pairing singlehandedly from day 1, and let these kids develop without any significant help. I want to add a steady but unremarkable guy when we are a #4 or #5D away from looking real solid. I don't want us to only add #4-5Ds and wait 5-6 years for one of the kids to develop into something better.

 

[Henkka]

We should not go ALL-IN.

We should just sign him at reasonable price.

 

[jkutswings]

...don't we have enough unremarkable guys on defense

Seriously, a 7x7 contract would not be amazing.. but dammit I don't think we should lean on Hronek to drive all the offense from the backend, or expect Seider to carry a pairing singlehandedly from day 1, and let these kids develop without any significant help. I want to add a steady but unremarkable guy when we are a #4 or #5D away from looking real solid. I don't want us to only add #4-5Ds and wait 5-6 years for one of the kids to develop into something better.

I get that. I just think Krug would be a very disappointing $7Mx7 on this team. I see little difference between him in 2020 and Mike Green in 2015, and I would have been livid if the Wings had given Green a 7 year deal when they first brought him here.

Pietrangelo is an all-situations stud, so if they want a splash, then chase a guy worth chasing. I would also be ok with somebody like Brodie. Otherwise, stay prudent for another year on defense, and find a decent goalie as our upgrade for this coming season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

#3-4 D, PP1 quarterback. 19-21 minutes a night.

I think Krug is what he is. The guy will never be a defensive stalwart, but pairing him with a solid defensive guy could help us tilt the ice because he moves the puck very well out of the zone. He will just need someone to help him get the puck in our zone.

We are likely to get 3 good production years from him. There's always the possibility of moving him in the future when he has less term on his contract. It could be a situation where 3-4 years from now we're trading Krug and a 2nd for future considerations to a basement team, or Krug for a 2nd to a contender looking for defensive depth. I think it's worth the gamble at 5 years.

 

[RedWingzz]

On our team he is most definitely a #1D..on a good team, no.

I'd sign him assuming he's not looking for anything outrageous. I think we are a playoff bubble team in 2 more seasons, so he'd only be 31 when in my mind we are ready to compete. Assuming he ages well, and we are in fact a bubble team in 2 years time, we could roll out a D like:

Krug-Seider
Wallinder-Hronek
Cholowski-Lindstrom
McIsaac

then have prospects like Johansson, Tuomisto, Viro and Sebrango eventually being added to the mix. If these guys all reach their potential, we could have a nice, mobile group of defencemen.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Krug is nowhere near #1RD he's a #3/#4RD at best that needs to be sheltered.

 

[BinCookin]

I absolutely do NOT want Krug.

Sure he provides offence on the PP with all the stars Boston has... I wonder how much he would produce here.

As far as I'm concerned if you wonder if Barrie is worth having on a team (See how he did in Colorado vs Toronto)... I see Krug as the same mold of player.

I would honestly prefer a super safe no offensive D man like Brodie over Krug... hopefully at a much cheaper price tag.

Overall I do not want to sign any FA who is not quite young 27 or under.

 

[SirloinUB]

I definitely want Krug, but I also wouldn’t go long term. 3 or 4 years at 8.5-9 million

 

[BinCookin]

I definitely want Krug, but I also wouldn’t go long term. 3 or 4 years at 8.5-9 million

I mean lets say we do that... and we finish near last the next 1-2 years.... Is it worth it? Does it matter all that much?
Does Krug even help us win games??

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Yes