Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Dubi Doo, Aug 12, 2019.
Edmonton? Buffalo? Arizona? Rank your bottom 5!
Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona, New Jersey (too many bottom-10 finishes), and I'm debating putting Vancouver at 5 because of how many times they've been in the bottom of the league since 2013. But they did have a presidents trophy and cup final appearance to start off the decade.
You couldn't even come up with 5 so why should the rest of us contribute to this no effort post.
I'm an Oiler fan so Edmonton is #1....then Buffalo, Carolina, Arizona and Florida
Besides the obvious ones I’d put Florida in there. Four top 3 picks in this decade, missed the playoffs a bunch, shot themselves in the foot when they were about to turn it around (giving away Marchessault, Smith, firing Galant).
Vancouver is wild. Some people had them up in discussion for top 5 franchise of the decade. Crazy to see how big the swing is regarding opinions on them.
Buffalo, Toronto, Florida and Edmonton are in it for sure.
Then I supposed the Coyotes, they made the WCF in 2012 but have been garbage since.
Well they've drafted in the top 10: Podkolzin (10), Hughes (7), Pettersson (5), Juolevi (5), Virtanen (6), and Horvat (9), although that pick was traded for. Other than the Edmonton, Buffalo, and Arizona trio, they have one of the worst records in the last 5 or so years.
Not saying they are bottom-5 for sure, I was just looking at standings and saw them consistently at the bottom as of late.
Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona, Florida, Carolina
Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona, Florida, Toronto
1. Edmonton - Ever so slightly better RS performance than Buffalo, but one time making the playoffs. Even if they won a round, I can't not put them at #1.
2. Buffalo - 2 playoff appearances to Carolina's 1, but this is a rare exception you can make where they've been so bad overall in the RS that it trumps Carolina's 1 postseason run + RS mediocrity.
3. Carolina - I think a lot of people may overlook them due to recency bias, but this team has been the definition of mediocre/sub-par the entire decade despite one (possibly) fluke playoff run.
4. Florida - They're essentially the same as Carolina, but I value them making the playoffs twice more than Carolina making it once and going on one run.
5. Arizona - People forget they were a pretty good team at the turn of the decade. 3 playoff appearances and 1 good run. But still, there's a ton of bad since then, which is why they're this low.
buffalo has 3 playoff wins this decade. they are last.
edmonton, florida and arizona are pretty similar in being pathetic.
the fifth spot is iffy.
probably calgary (missed the playoffs 6 times and only won 6 games total) or carolina (made the playoffs once but it was a good run)
Yeah, I agree with you Florida is probably bottom 5.
But as far as the March and Smith trade, the team was mediocre and had nose dived in the standings the season before the trade with those two in the lineup. They were not in the mist of turning it around.
Ownership was never going to let this get turned around anyway. They had become too involved (which right afterwards was when the team nosedived in the standings).
That's why Gallant got fired, because the ownership tried to tell him how to coach, and he resisted. No matter who was in the lineup, ownership meddling was going to keep the team down.
Fifth spot is debatable, but Carolina missed the playoffs 9 times in a row. Had a good run the last playoffs though, that counts for something, but...
Toronto has to be in this honestly. Sure things are brighter now but still no playoff wins. Lest we forget..
- Trading.. Oh dear lord. Kessel for the draft picks that turned into Seguin and Hamilton.What about the picks for Rakell and Gibson for Tyler Biggs? Honestly, too many instances to type this crap out.
- Baffling management decisions regarding drafting, and pro scouting. Committing several million to players like Lombardi, Komaserik, Armstrong, Clarkson, Grabo (only to buy him out a year later), etc. On the drafting side, the Burke school of taking big tough guys over all meant a lot of picks wasted.
- The collapses.. Oh my. Regular season? Oh we got some of that lose 15 of your last 20 games to miss the playoffs. Playoffs? How about game 7 in Boston in 2013.. And 2017.
When it is all said and done, the current team is pretty good with good management, but look at the decade as a whole means no playoff wins and a ton of collapses and bottom 10 finishes consistently. However the current roster and making the playoffs won't leave them bottom 3 over consistently terrible teams like Buffalo and Edmonton.
Honestly I don't think the five is really up for debate. It is quite easily Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona, Florida, and Carolina.
I think those are the five, although I might change the order slightly.
Then there is a similar list of teams who had awful 2010s compared to their expectations/standards. That might be the list for Toronto and Montreal. Probably Vancouver would join them (a vast wasteland after the near miss in 2010-11). I might put Detroit on that same list as after 15 or so years of success, they have been a non-entity since 2010-11. I don't think these are among the bottom franchises, but their own fans have seen them move away from the top 5 and toward the bottom 5 this decade.
Almost like they collectively adopted the slogan "commitment to mediocrity" and in some cases are struggling to achieve it.
Yeah, any team that misses the playoffs 9 straight years in a league where half the teams make the playoffs has to be on the list. Hopefully the Canes have turned the corner, but the first 9 years were bad.
EDM, ARZ, BUF, CAR, FLA look to be the ones here.
You dont have to contribute....
Agree, seems pretty clear cut. No way a team with a cup finals appearance (Vancouver, NJ) is in the bottom 5.
I think it's easy to single out teams like Vancouver and Detroit due to recent consistently poor performance, but it doesn't erase the fact that they were good to great teams for years during the first half of the decade. You have to look at everything on the whole and not get swept up by certain peaks and valleys.
I feel pretty comfortable that those are the bottom 5. I guess people can value 1 really good playoff run with a team like Carolina or Arizona more than teams that have had little-to-no success in the playoffs like Toronto and Calgary, but I think the # of times making the playoffs is the first big thing to look at.
It becomes wide open after 5 IMO with teams like (in no specific order):
Toronto - 4 playoffs
Calgary - 3 playoffs
New Jersey - 3 playoffs
Columbus - 4 playoffs
Colorado - 4 playoffs
Dallas - 3 playoffs
New York Islanders - 4 playoffs
Ottawa - 5 playoffs
Winnipeg (including Atlanta) - 3 playoffs
May be forgetting someone but those are the teams that jump out.
Arizona gets a minor pass as they had to deal with $ issues given where they play. Bottom 5 with no excuses for me are:
1. Edmonton- clear cut winner
2. Buffalo- easy #2
3. New York Islanders- not sure how they arent getting mentioned, they were horribly run for a long time and right there in the basement from 2010-2014
4. Toronto- much better now, but this is since 2010. So for those 2010-2015 years, they were easily bottom 3
5- Florida- although, they only snuck into the bottom 5 recently
Ottawa is on a fast track to being #2
No they aren't. They've made the playoffs 5 times and the decade is almost over.
Islanders made the playoffs 4 times in the 2010's. Florida 2 times.
I'm sorry, but your list doesn't really make sense.
Separate names with a comma.