GDT: Boston visits Carolina 7PM : Only bear sign left as the arena is clawed and gory.

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After last night I would call up a couple of kids. It’s time though I know the team won’t publicly acknowledge we’re toast yet for the year.

Wallmark mclovin Zykov for the fourth line and actually roll all four. Maybe Poturalski. Mckeown into the rotation. It won’t happen and they’re probably better off where they are but I’m ready to see what we have.
 

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After last night I would call up a couple of kids. It’s time though I know the team won’t publicly acknowledge we’re toast yet for the year.

Wallmark mclovin Zykov for the fourth line and actually roll all four. Maybe Poturalski. Mckeown into the rotation. It won’t happen and they’re probably better off where they are but I’m ready to see what we have.

I think we've seen enough of Wallmark. I'd argue that Foegele, Zykov and Saarela should be brought up.
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After last night I would call up a couple of kids. It’s time though I know the team won’t publicly acknowledge we’re toast yet for the year.

Wallmark mclovin Zykov for the fourth line and actually roll all four. Maybe Poturalski. Mckeown into the rotation. It won’t happen and they’re probably better off where they are but I’m ready to see what we have.

I think the time for this was January. But there's really nothing to be gained by doing this now. We're going nowhere. Charlotte is going to the playoffs. BP isn't going to play them enough for it to matter, anyhow. There's just no point. We aren't going to learn anything about any of them in five minutes a night playing with a bunch of teammates who quit three weeks ago. We wasted the second half of an NHL season for absolutely no reason and it drives me crazy.
 

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This isn’t coaching. Coaches don’t tell their players to fall apart when things get rough, neither do they actually pull a speech straight from miracle to inspire them.

I agree. I don't know how you pin last night on Peters. He had them prepared to play a very tough team on the second half of a back-to-back with travel while their opponent waited for them, and halfway through the third they had a 4-1 lead. Wasn't Peters the coach for all that?

But somehow, at that point, he switched from being a good coach to a bad coach and he cost them the game? I don't get it.
 

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This isn’t coaching. Coaches don’t tell their players to fall apart when things get rough, neither do they actually pull a speech straight from miracle to inspire them.

Ward got beat on a nice shot to start the comeback. We immediately started losing all Mo, and starting losing puck battles at the blue line. When it mattered most Faulk blindly threw a backhand clear 10 ft over the glass and we gave up a pp goal, and from that point it seemed inevitable.

Does Peters take the fall for this? He may but I’m not convinced he should. To me it comes down to, would anyone do better? Different isn’t better it’s just different. Maybe Peters IS overwhelmed in finding a way to not let this team choke down the stretch, but he’s hardly the first guy around here with that problem. He is still considered an excellent coach in the hockey world. He’ll coach elsewhere and have success. Would he do better with better talent? Can anyone else do better with this talent? His voice isn’t being shunned, almost every guy on the team is fighting for a job. We lack the gumption to fight through adversity, that’s a player trait not a coach’s. Peters has been screaming for reinforcements since we were heading into last off season.

Aho, Williams and McGinn with maybe Lindy at center are the ones who fight the hardest imo to change the flow of the game. Maybe jstaal because he is relentless in playing the same game no matter what the situation. Everyone else has not stepped up.

Slavin, Pesce and TVR stay the calmest under pressure. I think Fleury will get there. Hanifin is tough because I think the attitude and skill are there, I don’t know that he can put it all together.

That’s what I would build around. TT is great to me as a complimentary player but he’s too peripheral to take a game by the throat, though he can compliment someone who does. Skinner is too streaky to count on and loses way too many pucks. For the first time in his career I feel like he is a detriment to this teams success currently. He literally needs to score to be worth a spot. I finally have truly come on line with Peters keeping him a third liner. You can’t trust him with the puck at all at times, let alone against the other teams best. Last years Skinner scored enough to make up for his shortcomings.

Ultimately, I think until this team brings in proven players, and leaders nothing will change. Williams came in, and despite some obvious flaws in his game, brings that try hard determination he's famous for. He hasn't been broken by this organization's losing culture, and I'm sure he's been influential to every player on that team. He's just one guy though. The difference between what JW is, and the rest of the team is night and day. He's a winner. Comes from teams that win, with players just like him.

I don't necessarily lay all the blame at Peters feet but again, he was an unproven NHL head coach. Just like Muller, and just like Muller (who's still assistant coach btw) is failing to get results. Darling. Unproven starter. Failed.

What's left? A bunch of young players that don't know how to dig in, and win at the NHL level. 2 of our "leaders" have never seen a post season, and Jordan seems like his give a shit meter is probably faulty at this point. He went from perennial winner, Stanley Cup champion, to whatever this team is. Honestly, he's playing fine IMO, so I don't have that many complaints. You ice a winning team and Jordan will probably go beast mode more often than not, but he's not really a leader in the traditional sense like Justin. I have no doubt that could change in him, but he's not gonna be the change.

So in short I think our issues are multifaceted We need to bring in a proven General Manager, coach, and players. No more taking risks. No more dumpster diving, and no more promoting from within. None of that is getting results.

I hope Dundon is the catalyst to break this losing cycle. I really f***ing do.
 

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A good coach might have used his time out when the Bruins made it 4-2, knowing this team's tendency to collapse at the slightest hint of adversity.

It might not have helped, but at least then there would have been a sign that he gave a f***, instead of simply grinning like a moron as his team blew the lead in front of him.
 

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I think the time for this was January. But there's really nothing to be gained by doing this now. We're going nowhere. Charlotte is going to the playoffs. BP isn't going to play them enough for it to matter, anyhow. There's just no point. We aren't going to learn anything about any of them in five minutes a night playing with a bunch of teammates who quit three weeks ago. We wasted the second half of an NHL season for absolutely no reason and it drives me crazy.

I wish I could like this 1000 times. It is totally mindboggling that with a brand new owner who is coming in saying "I want change, I want results, I want to spend money to win" at the same time as the air started coming out of the tire after that last second loss to the Caps, no one did anything about the season going sideways. Not the GM, not the coach, not the new owner. This front office has said all year long they believe this team can make the playoffs and that is the goal- they have done nothing to back that up. A trade or a callup may not have worked but it would have shown the players and the fans "hey we are serious about this". Instead everyone just stood around with their hands in their pockets hoping that something miraculous was going to start happening.
 

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It’s the coaches job to manage players personality. This team flat out collapses when things don’t go their way more than any team I’ve ever seen. The coaching staff needs to find a way to manage that over the course of a season.

I think Peters is a fine Xs and Os coach but he is completely clueless when it comes to just about every other aspect of the job.
 

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A good coach might have used his time out when the Bruins made it 4-2, knowing this team's tendency to collapse at the slightest hint of adversity.

It might not have helped, but at least then there would have been a sign that he gave a ****, instead of simply grinning like a moron as his team blew the lead in front of him.

That goal happened just past the 10-minute mark (9:56 to go) and at the very next whistle, six seconds later, there was a 2 minute, 40 second television timeout.
 

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I agree. I don't know how you pin last night on Peters. He had them prepared to play a very tough team on the second half of a back-to-back with travel while their opponent waited for them, and halfway through the third they had a 4-1 lead. Wasn't Peters the coach for all that?

But somehow, at that point, he switched from being a good coach to a bad coach and he cost them the game? I don't get it.

A straw doesn't break a camel's back. The 10,000th straw breaks the camel's back. If this were some aberration, rather than what we expect based on 316 games of history coaching this team, it'd just be an 'ugh, that sucked.'

It's the same with Scott Darling. He lets in a goal on a pretty good chance. That single goal isn't the problem. It's that he lets in soooo many goals on pretty good chances.

We have the big picture on Bill Peters, and it's a gimmicky system that doesn't work. And he's shown no signs of being able to change that 4 years in. Just more and more players falling off a cliff in terms of what they've shown they can produce, and what they are producing.
 

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That goal happened just past the 10-minute mark (9:56 to go) and at the very next whistle, six seconds later, there was a 2 minute, 40 second television timeout.

Well if you're going to go around saying things like that, how the hell are we supposed to ignore that Ward got roasted on stoppable shots 2 times in the next 3 minutes?
 

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That goal happened just past the 10-minute mark (9:56 to go) and at the very next whistle, six seconds later, there was a 2 minute, 40 second television timeout.

Wasn't at the arena. Did Peters rally the troops? Pull Ward in, give a pep talk, yadda, yadda, yadda?

Or is it more likely that he gave the equivalent of his outstanding pregame speeches and said something like "Don't worry about it boys, we'll get the next one"?

It's like Joe said. This team collapses at the slightest adversity like none other. Yes, they've had poor goaltending. Yes, their forward corps isn't great. But there's obviously a mental aspect to these collapses that apparently isn't being addressed by the coaching staff, since they keep happening.
 

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That goal happened just past the 10-minute mark (9:56 to go) and at the very next whistle, six seconds later, there was a 2 minute, 40 second television timeout.

The beer league team I was facing last night called timeout after we cut a 5-1 lead to a 5-3 lead. We then scored another 4 straight because those tryhards thought this was the pros or something.
 

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What a bunch of sore winners.

I don’t even care about the result of the play, I just think it’s an interesting case from a rulebook perspective.

But seriously, that thread is one of the most amazing I’ve ever seen in terms of people flat-out making up events that didn’t happen, coming up with new definitions for common words, acting triumphant while citing the wrong rule, etc. Amazing.
 

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Wasn't at the arena. Did Peters rally the troops? Pull Ward in, give a pep talk, yadda, yadda, yadda?

Or is it more likely that he gave the equivalent of his outstanding pregame speeches and said something like "Don't worry about it boys, we'll get the next one"?

It's like Joe said. This team collapses at the slightest adversity like none other. Yes, they've had poor goaltending. Yes, their forward corps isn't great. But there's obviously a mental aspect to these collapses that apparently isn't being addressed by the coaching staff, since they keep happening.

If the italicized is true, then isn't de-emphasizing the act of winning a hockey game a good thing (the bolded)?

You want to tell a group of guys who have trouble handling adversity that as long as they do what they're told, everything will work out. Not freak them out by screaming at them.

'Course, if the above is shown to be false, then Peters has to be shown the door regardless, (ie if he's "lost the room").

I mean, this is the team that has two captains to avoid rustled jimmies, is anyone surprised they're mentally fragile?
 
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