Confirmed Signing with Link: [BOS] Brandon Carlo re-signs with Bruins (2 years, $2.85M AAV)

[Breakers]

Really like Boston's AAV with the two RFA defense.

 

[DKH]

the deal is only for 2 years. it's not as good as people are saying.

It’s a good deal for both sides

If Carlo can pick up his offense into the mid 20’s 5G/20A per season by next contract he can jump up to 5 M-ish

He’s trending into an elite shut down 1st PK

Skates very well and starting to jump into play more

 

[Tbaybruin]

Carlo will never sniff $7 mil

Never say never he might sign a two year 7 million total deal

 

[Bounces R Way]

Great value for the kind of defense Carlo provides. Can't help but think he'll be able to double that AAV on his next deal though. 2 years may not sound like a lot of time but a lot of things can change in that time.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Bridge deal, rather good for Boston, in my opinion. For this AAV, I would have thought 1 year instead of 2. That is crazy that you not see more Offersheets for such players... I really believe Carlo to be a solid Top 4 D-Man.

 

[Number8]

It's good for a bridge but this just pushes the problem down a few years. Short term gain and a real problem long-term. But who knows if he is GM in the future so it's good risk on his part as it could become someone else's problem.

You have to manage to the circumstances -- what is your window, what is the age of your core, what's coming through pipeline, what is timing of other key contracts. Yes, Boston may pay more later on than they did now for Carlo and McAvoy but that will only be true if they play well and stay healthy. Having RFA rights to players that are playing well enough to deserve a raise is what you want. Right now it worked to get Boston under Cap and everyone on board.

Plus, automatically assuming a long term expensive deal is great because it locks up young players is not always best route and can be overly simplistic. Looks like the Leafs are guilty of this -- certainly with Nylander and maybe with Matthews.

Take the top 20 in G, A, and Pts from '18/'19 season and match that against '19/'20 Cap hits -- so as to capture players with their latest salaries, including those who just signed big paydays (Kucherov, Matthews, Panarin, Guentzel, etc.,) and excluding those who are still on ELC's (Point, Rantanen, Debrincat, etc). Basically comparing cost of production for players who have had at least their first major payday.

Point is, looking at these numbers the standard "yeah, but we locked them up for years" argument sometimes has to be turned into a question of who has locked up who.

NHL Top 20 - 2019 Goals

Rank	Name	Goals	Avg CH	ACH/Goal	Notes
1-20	Top 20	41.4 avg.	$7.95M	$192K	No Point, DeBrincat, Matthews, Tavares in averages
1-20 young	24 yrs & younger	42.0 avg.	$7.99M	$190K	incl. Draisatl, MacKinnon, Guentzel, Pastranak
3	Tavares	47	$11.0M	$234K	Close to avg cost of goal, but on upper end. Comparable to P Kane and J Skinner
17	Matthews	37	$11.6M	$314K	Expensive. Only comparison in Top 20 is McDavid.
68 (tied)	Marner	26	$10.9M	$419K	Expensive. Makes up for it in Assists.
349 (tied)	Nylander	7	$6.9M	$995K	Poor. Figures -- low and high -- speak for themselves.

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NHL Top 20 - 2019 Assist

Rank	Name	Assists	Avg CH	ACH/A	Notes
1-20	Top 20	63.3 avg.	$8.05M	$127K	No Ratanen or Marner
1-20 young	24 yrs & younger	62.3 avg.	$8.30M	$133K	incl. McDavid, Barkov, MacKinnon, Draisatl
4	Marner	68	$10.9M	$160K	Comparable to McDavid, P Kane
65 (tied)	Tavares	41	$11.0M	$268K	Expensive
81 (tied)	Matthews	36	$11.6M	$323K	Expensive
292 (tied)	Nylander	20	$6.9M	$348K	Poor. Figures -- low and high -- speak for themselves.

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NHL Top 20 - 2019 Points

Rank	Name	Points	Avg CH	ACH/Pt	Notes
1-20	Top 20	97.7 avg.	$7.40M	$76K	No Ratanen Point, or Marner
1-20 young	24 yrs & younger	104 avg.	$8.30M	$80K	incl. McDavid, Barkov, MacKinnon, Draisatl
11	Marner	94	$10.9M	$116K	Well above avg. Compare with Ovechkin and Tavares
16	Tavares	88	$11.0M	$125K
41 (tied)	Matthews	73	$11.6M	$159K	Expensive
292 (tied)	Nylander	27	$6.9M	$258K	Poor. Figures -- low and high --speak for themselves.

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[powerstuck]

Do people not understand the impact of term?

Dubas' has the Leaf core locked up for 5 more years. Think about how much inflation can happen in that point (as a Bruins fan, you should know better than anyone the value of signing a player at the right time).

Matthews - 5yrs
Tavares - 6yrs
Marner - 6 yrs
Nylander - 5yrs


The only player Boston has signed with that kind of term is Marchand, who is 31.

Sweeney is making hay while the sunshines, and he will probably get undue criticism when in 2-3 years, he has no choice but to up his RFAs at inflated numbers post bridge.

I agree. But the way I see it is like this. With these bridges (and the aging core) Boston's cup window is open for another 2-3 seasons and has good chances to keep that window open for at least 5 to 6 years.

Toronto's window is also open for 5 to 6 years (given current core's contract lenght).

But the difference between the two is that their core will most likely be gone or be asking for hefty raises which most likely will make them impossible to keep all...and I doubt Nylander and Marner who had to holdout to get what they wanted are the happiest of the pals here.

 

[BruinsFan37]

I'd be happier with another year, even if it meant pushing the AAV just over 3.

Still a nice deal though.

 

[xjoeyc23x]

Both Carlo and Mcavoy's deals are great for Boston right now. Exactly what they needed to keep the team as they want it right now and have money for their next deals once bigger contracts (Backes, DK46, Chara, Killer) are off the books. It's just crazy to me that every signing thread around here gets turned into a comparison against the Leafs. Can't we just say good deal and move on?

 

[hockeyguru]

Real astute analysis here....

Carlo gets to prove hes the shutdown D man we all think he is, then we can sign him long term when Krejci and Backes are off the books.

This is a win win here.

boston only gets this guy signed for 2 years. people acting as if it's a long term deal.

 

[unicornpig]

No, every GM is kicking the problem a couple years down the road while Dubas is getting cost certainty from his core for the next half decade plus

LOL whatever makes you feel better.

 

[danpantz]

boston only gets this guy signed for 2 years. people acting as if it's a long term deal.

People are here acting like Carlo is going to be a UFA after 2 years and not an RFA and still under the control of the Bruins.

 

[hockeyguru]

People are here acting like Carlo is going to be a UFA after 2 years and not an RFA and still under the control of the Bruins.

literally no one is acting like that.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't even like Carlo but that's a great price.

Again, the Bruins are just smarter than everyone else.

 

[82Ninety42011]

After seeing the last few deals signed by Bruins players and some previous deals signed by Bergeron and Pastrnak you gotta tip your cap. Obviously the Bruins treat their players right and they wanna be there. Seems like others have signed some inflated deals for sure lately but the Bruins players seem to to take a little less to stay together. TB and Boston are the envy of the league right now congratulations to the fans of both especially Boston.

 

[CupsOverCash]

After seeing the last few deals signed by Bruins players and some previous deals signed by Bergeron and Pastrnak you gotta tip your cap. Obviously the Bruins treat their players right and they wanna be there. Seems like others have signed some inflated deals for sure lately but the Bruins players seem to to take a little less to stay together. TB and Boston are the envy of the league right now congratulations to the fans of both especially Boston.

Its taxes...

Honestly when a team like Boston is able to get their guys to buy in and take discounts why cant TB be able to do that too? No it has to be taxes... But then what about Boston???

 

[Troublesome 85]

Well, the likelihood of a long deal getting sour seems to be higher, and the damage bigger:

• Matthews - Has not been worth 11,6 million yet
• Doughty - Already declining, not really a 11 million man
• Price - Just a ridiculous deal altogether, even at prime he was not worth 10,5 million
• Subban - Not even close to 9 million in value (more than Crosby!)
• Ekman-Larsson - Was he ever worth 8,25 million?
• Byfuglien - He's okay, but not 7,6 million okay
• Letang - Eh, 7,25 million?

Subban already traded twice as well or did he sign the big deal with Preds?

 

[dredeye]

Very please these are done and where to total dollars ended up. Helps us greatly with the window we have left with the guys currently under contract.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Excellent! He was great against us in the playoff last year! A couple more RFAs to go and (in the League) and we will have the full compliment of players for an exciting year.

 

[Mez]

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[b in vancouver]

Going into this summer I thought he was one of the biggest threats to be offer-sheeted as so many team are in need of that steady shutdown RHD even if he doesn't put up a tonne of points and worried some GM might value him at that $6M range.
Even if it's shorter term - getting him and McAvoy signed for under $8 combined is incredibly good.
Having Chara, Krug, McAvoy and Carlo signed for under $15M is just a competitive advantage.

 

[Pelle31]

Great value for the kind of defense Carlo provides. Can't help but think he'll be able to double that AAV on his next deal though. 2 years may not sound like a lot of time but a lot of things can change in that time.

Great deal for the Bruins, Sweeney will see the landscape in two years time and deal with it then.

 

[KDOTO]

lol close out contention window. You hope so. With how they handle their roster and RFAs and also draft well, I think the Bs will be around longer than people hope they will be.

You do understand that Def dmen don't get paid big money right. It's not anything new really, especially out of their elc or off a bridge unless they put up points. It's not fair but that's how it is. What did you expect a guy with 15 something points the last two year get. A guy like pesce only got 4 something I believe and he is a very good Defdmen with a little more off. When he got his.

As for bos contending for along time, its gonna be hard to replace Berg, Marchand, kreci when the time comes. They might hang on for a while but imo won't be a true contender once that core exits.

 

[KDOTO]

Thinking that every GM in the league signs good deals except for Dubas is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen

This is a fair deal for the player he is, he is betting on his off. Improving cuz that's the only way he will get the big salary. You have to have off. Production to get paid no matter how good you are defensively.

 

[hangman005]

We don't need to bring up the leafs in every thread. If it has nothing to do with Boston resigning Carlo, it does not belong in this thread.