Confirmed Trade: [BOS/ANA] Ondrej Kase for David Backes (25% retained), Axel Andersson, and 2020 1st round pick

[Syckle78]

Really interesting to see everyone call this a bad deal for the Ducks except Ducks fans.

For whatever reason Kase was highly coveted on this forum despite his struggles and a lot of people thought Backes was going to cost a first to move so it makes sense that is the perception.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

For whatever reason Kase was highly coveted on this forum despite his struggles and a lot of people thought Backes was going to cost a first to move so it makes sense that is the perception.

Not hard to see why. Kase is beloved by analytics guys and their enthusiasm also trickles down a bit, whereas Toronto just gave up a first to move a bad contract so that convinced people that it was the going rate for doing so.

 

[Dr Danglefest]

For whatever reason Kase was highly coveted on this forum despite his struggles and a lot of people thought Backes was going to cost a first to move so it makes sense that is the perception.

yeah I think it boils down to:

backes + 1st for nothing = market value on getting rid of a big cap dump

25% retention because it’s over a year of cap dumping, rather than this trade occurring in the offseason

kase for Axel Anderson

The last bit is the real question on how that value shakes out, if he proves to be damaged goods then ducks make out better than a standard Backes and a 1st trade, if he rebounds then it works out maybe for the Bruins a bit better in the long run

 

[Hookslide]

Kase might turn out to be a great pick up for Boston,but I am concerned with his concussion history and other injuries. I also don't think their need for a true goal scorer with size has been addressed , May if they had gotten Dillon although a Dman I would be alittle less concerned. I have a lot of respect for Backes but 37 goals in 4 years at 6 mil a year and now cost you #1 should put Sweeney under the microscope ,,,,,,,,,my other fear is he is going to over pay Krug a undersize defenseman and a defensive liability who will be 29 when the playoffs start...........

 

[darkwingduck]

I loved watching Kase, and its fair that he's only played about 60% of games so far, but it's not like you can simply say he'll play 60% going forward; a bad hit or two and he'll be out indefinitely. I hope he stays healthy and it's a great deal for Boston.

 

[MMC]

yeah I think it boils down to:

backes + 1st for nothing = market value on getting rid of a big cap dump

25% retention because it’s over a year of cap dumping, rather than this trade occurring in the offseason

kase for Axel Anderson

The last bit is the real question on how that value shakes out, if he proves to be damaged goods then ducks make out better than a standard Backes and a 1st trade, if he rebounds then it works out maybe for the Bruins a bit better in the long run

Maybe that’s what it looks like from the Boston perspective. From ours, we wanted to move Kase but the most teams were offering was 2nd + prospect. So we’re paying 3 million to upgrade our pick from a 2nd to a 1st

 

[Dr Danglefest]

Maybe that’s what it looks like from the Boston perspective. From ours, we wanted to move Kase but the most teams were offering was 2nd + prospect. So we’re paying 3 million to upgrade our pick from a 2nd to a 1st

3 mil real dollars correct? I keep seeing this in people’s write ups but the cap hit which I’m sure to the ducks next year isn’t a concern, is 4.5 mil if I’m not mistaken?

 

[BadBruins]

Maybe that’s what it looks like from the Boston perspective. From ours, we wanted to move Kase but the most teams were offering was 2nd + prospect. So we’re paying 3 million to upgrade our pick from a 2nd to a 1st

Exactly.

Bruins needed a team that was willing and able to eat a big portion of the Backes contract. Ducks wanted a primary asset in return (1st round pick) and ate the Backes contract because they could. Rumors had the Bruins in on a Sharks RW (supposedly Lebanc) for a similar type of deal. Also seeking a 1st round pick in 2020. I'm assuming the retention and prospect played a part, but I believe the basis of the trade is the Ducks getting a 1st+ for Kase and the Bruins getting a top-9 RW + clearing 20/21 cap space for Krug (or possibly 2020 space for another addition?).

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Oh, okay, so here are your thoughts on this deal.

I don't disagree -- I think it's good for both teams too -- but it's really weird that you couldn't just come out and say you liked the deal last night. I don't get it.

The Bruins are contenders, The Leafs are not close right now. The Bruins trading a first rd pick when their window is now is not a bad move. As I reminded you last night, the Pens won 2 cups 2016-17 so trading a first rd pick was worth it. And they have not traded 3 first rd picks in a row as you were discussing last night. Really it is not that hard to understand this. I shouldn't have to answer this for you.

Bruins fans, sorry for this. Let's get back on topic now that the poster has his answer.

 

[The don godfather]

Kase only 24 and has scored 20 goals . Whats not to like?

 

[Merrrlin]

We all thought this was a bad deal for the Ducks, but I can't imagine the Bruins org is very excited looking back on this deal.

 

[Mick Jagr]

To be fair... in my NHL 20 franchise he developed into an elite top line winger

 

[Empoleon8771]

More proof that analytics folks need to look at more than analytics when judging players. McCurdy is pretending Kase is this elite player and Ducks fans should be "gutted" with the return. Kase then proceeded to be incredibly mediocre for the Bruins.

Players who give great results in limited roles are not great players. The analytics crowd has kinda hand-waved usage as meaningless, but that's obviously not the case.

 

[ON3M4N]

We all thought this was a bad deal for the Ducks, but I can't imagine the Bruins org is very excited looking back on this deal.

Why wouldn't they be? Backes was a $6 million hit, Axel's upside is a 3rd pairing PP specialist and the 1st is a huge unknown. Kase looked good early on and the 2nd line at times was Boston's best line at generating chances. At 5v5 in these playoffs, Kase was 2nd on the team in points. Would we have loved to see him pot a few? sure, but for a guy that had little to no time with the team prior to the playoffs I thought he looked good and I'd do that trade again without hesitation.

 

[Merrrlin]

Why wouldn't they be? Backes was a $6 million hit, Axel's upside is a 3rd pairing PP specialist and the 1st is a huge unknown. Kase looked good early on and the 2nd line at times was Boston's best line at generating chances. At 5v5 in these playoffs, Kase was 2nd on the team in points. Would we have loved to see him pot a few? sure, but for a guy that had little to no time with the team prior to the playoffs I thought he looked good and I'd do that trade again without hesitation.

I was basing my input on the replies in the Bruins GDT last night which I took part in, Kase was not getting good reviews. Maybe HFBoards isn't the best place to glean that kind of info.

For the record, I kind of like Axelsson. I think that was a decent get for the ducks.

 

[ON3M4N]

I was basing my input on the replies in the Bruins GDT last night which I took part in, Kase was not getting good reviews. Maybe HFBoards isn't the best place to glean that kind of info.

For the record, I kind of like Axelsson. I think that was a decent get for the ducks.

I mean as someone who is in the Bruins section a lot, it's a pretty toxic place when the Bruins are not playing well. It's been pretty unbearable the last few days to be honest. Oddly enough we have a group of "fans" that get enjoyment out of Boston not doing well because they can come on and say: "see, I told you so" and then continue to shit on every single player they don't like. They like to feel like they are smarter than the coach, gm, players and the entire organization.

If you talked with rational Bruins fans, they were pretty satisfied with Kase. He definitely played better to start the playoffs and wasn't as good towards the end, but he was one of the few bright spots.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Kase only 24 and has scored 20 goals . Whats not to like?

Well, he did that a few years ago, and only once, and has since picked up a few head injuries.

 

[NDiesel]

We all thought this was a bad deal for the Ducks, but I can't imagine the Bruins org is very excited looking back on this deal.

He played really well, just couldn't buy a goal. Weird season where he was injured before coming here, played a bit then the season was suspended. Came back and couldn't practice until he was in the bubble. I think he will be solid next year once he gets some chemistry and playing time.

 

[Duck Off]

We all thought this was a bad deal for the Ducks, but I can't imagine the Bruins org is very excited looking back on this deal.

Duck fan here. I still think it was poor value by our GM. Simply taking Backes’s contract should have gotten us a 1st alone imo.

Kase is an extremely difficult player to put value on. He’s a magnet for injuries and likely one concussion away from his career being over. That said, he’s a solid player when healthy and worth more than a prospect like Axel on his own. I think if Boston would have included a 2nd or 3rd in the deal, it would have been even. From a value standpoint Boston easily wins that trade, but it’s not near as lopsided as some implied when it happened. Those who did ignored the injury risk of Kase.

 

[lwvs84]

I love Kase, he was one of my favorite players when he was in Anaheim. If you're complaining about one trade with Anaheim, it's not this one. If Kase can stay healthy, 95% chance that Boston wins this trade. That's probably a little generous too, there's probably less than a 5% chance the 27th pick ends up as good as Kase.

 

[Trap Jesus]

I love Kase, he was one of my favorite players when he was in Anaheim. If you're complaining about one trade with Anaheim, it's not this one. If Kase can stay healthy, 95% chance that Boston wins this trade. That's probably a little generous too, there's probably less than a 5% chance the 27th pick ends up as good as Kase.

I think it's tough to swallow when an absolutely cooked Backes put up 2 goals in 15 playoff games in 9:44 TOI per game in 2019 and Kase put up 0 in 11 in 15:30 TOI per game this year, playing with Krejci who was feeling it for most of the playoffs.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I think it's tough to swallow when an absolutely cooked Backes put up 2 goals in 15 playoff games in 9:44 TOI per game in 2019 and Kase put up 0 in 11 in 15:30 TOI per game this year, playing with Krejci who was feeling it for most of the playoffs.

He scored a 3-0 goal in the 3rd of a game Boston shutout Columbus and a 5-0 goal in a game against Carolina that Boston won 6-2....not like he really contributed.

Kasha doesn't play on the 1st PP unit so it's not surprising he didn't score. Boston didn't score alot 5v5 and Bergeron and Pastrnak combined for 2 EV goal between them in the entire playoffs.

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Kasha's one of those weird players who does look really good at times but gets overrated by the analytics community. He can carry the puck into the zone and get shots off but as for how valuable he really is who knows. He's had one 20 goal season and his career high in points is 38. Could he take off and explode as a legit top6 NHL forward? Maybe, but he'll need PP time, stay healthy and round out his game. Not sure he'll get a lot of PP time on Boston for the forseeable future.

 

[JT Kreider]

I was basing my input on the replies in the Bruins GDT last night which I took part in, Kase was not getting good reviews. Maybe HFBoards isn't the best place to glean that kind of info.

For the record, I kind of like Axelsson. I think that was a decent get for the ducks.

Dont ever ever ever ever take Boston fans seriously. They are brutally unfair to their players when things dont go their way

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Dont ever ever ever ever take Boston fans seriously. They are brutally unfair to their players when things dont go their way

One irrelevant douche bag media guy represents an entire fan base?

 

[Djp]

One irrelevant douche bag media guy represents an entire fan base?

I didn’t know you had 2.. I know of Jack....