Prospect Info: Bolts pool

Jacko95

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If Dotchin offers us this level of play he has shown in his stint this year for the next 2-3 season, we should be more than happy with it. If he happens to help Hedman become even better, we should be more than happy with it. If he is able to make a 5 season + NHL career out of helping offensive defenders playing their game he has done much more than could have ever be expected from him..


With his playing style and especially his foot speed he has likely a very short time frame of bein a NHLer. Very few of those guys are able to get a long career out of such skills. Gudas is an example of those rare guys. As Hose mentione Greene is as well.

Those guys eventhough they might have the ability to lock up big minutes are not able to lead a pairing (just like Coburn for example IMO). PLaying 2nd fiddle on a pairing is much easier than to lead the play.. Which is the big difference between guys like Stralman/Hedman and guys like Gudas.
 

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Great list, agree with everything except for the boom and bust parts, and the order I don't really care for either.
 

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Who other than Hedman and Stralman is better? Coburn I guess that's close. Serg and KK are even less proven than Dotchin. Sustr and Girardi are bums.

Coburn is better.

And Koekkoek is more skilled, a better skater, and can bring a puck moving element to the team. That is more valuable than stay at home defensemen 100% of the time, especially in today's NHL.

Honestly, Sustr and Dotchin might be a wash, but I give the edge to Sustr because he is pretty good on the PK. Dotchin has averaged a whopping 8 seconds of PK time per game, so I'm not confident in his ability to do well on the PK yet.
 

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*replace "bust" with "realistic floor"


1. D Mikhail Sergachev
Boom: Norris doubtful norris
Bust: Good 2nd pair defenseman power play specialist
2. D Jake Dotchin witkowsi?
Boom: Nastier Hjalmarssonnot so nasty lol
Bust: low end 2nd pair defenseman looking to stay in nhl in 5 years tops
3. RW Taylor Raddyshneeds to work on skating
Boom: Better Toffoli depends a ton on linemates
Bust: Middle-6 complementary power forwardkillorn
4. D Cal Foote
Boom: Colton Paraykoour best prospect
Bust: 2nd pair defensemanskating needs work maybe a 5/6
5. C Anthony Cirelliclutch
Boom: 1b centernever a top line center
Bust: 3rd line centerhe has just began he is clutch player and was undrafted to chl ... his growth might be extraordinary with the clutch aspect might be a pk specialist third line scorer etc..
6. C Brett Howdenmost interesting prospect needs to work on skating explosiveness and finishing
Boom: good 2nd line centeri really dont see him as a top six player right now
Bust: Bottom-6 centermight not be center attributes is distributes puck well but not flashy or stand out ever. controls puck not great on boards but has the size reach to improve
7. LW Adam Erne
Boom: top-6 wingerhe can score is an upgrade to killorn
Bust: Depth wingersee him as top six power forward more goal scoring skill then howden
8. D Slater Koekkoekone of best skaters on team
Boom: #2 defensemanagreed
Bust: AHLdo not see him not being a 10 year pro top 4 d man
9. D Libor Hajeksmooth skater but needs to improve his explosiveness and first step !!can improve upper body strength on working on boards
Boom: #3 defensemanhe has a lot to work on number 3 dman? dont see it he must get stronger an learn to trust himself and handle power play running the line etc.. too many holes still needs work but but but he has time and is very
Bust: low end #5 defensemansolid defensive defensemen whom passes or defers to others while stayng a step ahead of the other teams players excellen imho at pushng rushes to the sidelines:) he has a very solid hockey iq he needs to trust himself to grow the confidence in his weak areas like leading the rush etc.. if he does that yes he can move up to your levels maybe but if he doesnt? a journeyman playing a few years and going home
10. C Alexey Lipanov
Boom: 2creally not enough data on this guy but needs work defensively quick skater good shot etc.. right size he has work to do:)
Bust: bottom-6 c
11. RW Mathieu Josephmy overall favorite prospect and a guy im saying right now pk specialist guy move up and down lines who can get you 30 goals someday sooner rather then later be defensively a pest physical gritty etc.. he has it all. he stood out to me in worlds and 18s etc.. guy has no bust potential imho
Boom: 2nd line sniperdefensively responsible he is our killorn upgrade has speed can score goals and lead a line
Bust: Depth scorerworst he could be? to me he solves the brown paquette experiment and will get you plenty of secondary scoring he has it .....if the heart is there this kid for a fourth rounder is going to blow our minds marchassault with a 200 foot game and meaness or physicality a dream guy we have been lacking the complete player hes the one
12. D Matthew Spencerupgrade to dotchin if I was jake id worry
Boom: reliable #3 defensemangood call plays a full game getting ice time etc..
just a solid player dont see a lot of holes just needs to grow up

Bust: Fringe NHLerif not for foote id predict he is playing with hedman lol so year top four.. exceptional awareness imho of what seen and have heard others on him lateral skating movement can use work but good at everything not flashy but can lead charge and power play and his first passes? EXCEPTIONAL getting out of zone a righty who can do that for us:) he can keep working on rest size feirceness of play etc.. but all around is that safe guy ... imho he will move up quickly to us he just has size ability solid play probably gonna be overlooked cause hes that type unless he is leading the rush or running power play. can work on shot on power play but that will come when he is used to his full size growth imho... his hockey iq and awareness moving the puck placing so can be tipped etc.. is very good yet a harder shot would be wonderful:)
13. D Dominik Masin hedman,, sergachev ,,, koekkoek and this guy is our 7th d man jeezus just hand me the cup for yearsssssss
Boom: #3 defensemanplays with spencer maybe our bottom pairing for years?
Bust: AHL #1great shot or above average shot from point he does everything and i mean everything well.... would like him to play meaner feircer but gets the job done will clear the crease win pucks on boards and get the team moving perfect 7 imho if its what he winds up
14. LW Dennis Yan
Boom: 2nd line wingereverything depends on the defensive play the offense is there at high end speed the quicker he plays the more dangerous he is.... another favorite of mine is russian and has played in states since 14 and rises every year...i want him to succeed a lot more then others
Bust: AHL top-6 wingerhe is a scorer he will be an nhl player ... if can work on d this guy will have a good career good size if was a triplet oh my he would score a ton... only question is does he work the d as hard as this natural talent at high speed he has if so we won another lottery
15. RW Alexander Volkovanother not enough data
Boom: Palat-esque top-line winger
Bust: KHLhes nhl player has 200 foot game keeps simpler will do well maybe not enough scoring but in tape and prospect camp he had a lethal shot
16. D Erik Cernakfoote spencer cernak as our righties is pretty sweet since have had nothing for years
Boom: #4 defensemanguy continues to stand out memorial cup prospects camp etc... amazing moving up fastttttttttttt
Bust: #5 defensemanwell one day might be able to move stralman cause of this guy thats saying a lot cause i look at stralman here for another 4-5 years but if spencer and foote develop this guy can be the 3rd righty NOT saying he winds up 3rd either he is working his ass off and its showing !!
17. G Connor Ingram
Boom: bona fide starter1b goalie
Bust: AHL startersee him getting into pros for a couple years at least but size issue but but but sizeeee might hold him back from great career in nhl since everyone seems to be going big... his start of his career is pretty impressive
18. C Mitchell Stephensanother guy raw getting overlooked/?? exception in worlds or something led canada in points i thought under 18s but is still raw in that aspect scoring
Boom: Kesler liteone of fastest guys in his draft class and great shot
Bust: 4th linerenergy fourth liner can play all situations the surge he had in under 18s 10 points think it was is something we should really hold onto? can he develop with right skilled line mates to be a second line center? rest is probably there if can work on that and consistency very good on puck battles board play etc.. strong
19. LW Boris Katchouk
Boom: middle-6 wingerondrej palat
Bust: AHLenergy fourth liner checking role
20. C Otto Somppi
Boom: top-notch 3cnot enough data see what he does this year in ohl think he plays if he makes that jump
Bust: AHL
21. LW Jonne Tammela
Boom: 3w
Bust: injury prone AHLer
22. C Matthew Peca
Boom: 3c
Bust: AHL 1c
23. D Ben Thomas
Boom: bottom pair
Bust: AHL
24. D Johnathan MacLeod
Boom: bottom pair
Bust: AHL
25. C Chris Paquette
Boom: his cousin pre-injuries
Bust: AHL energy guy
26. D Nick Perbix
Boom: 2nd pair defenseman
Bust: ECHL
27. D Jonathan Racine
Boom: bottom pair physical D
Bust: AHL physical D
28. C Cole Guttman
Boom: Tyler Johnson lite
Bust: AHL 3rd liner
29. C Sammy Walker
Boom: 3c
Bust: AHL
30. C Ross Colton
Boom: 4th liner
Bust: AHL
31. C Ryan Lohin
Boom: fringe NHLer
Bust: ECHL
32. D Daniel Walcott
Boom: AHL
Bust: AHL
33. Kristian Oldham
Boom: big backup
Bust: ECHL bum




Are my predictions semi-accurate, at least? If not what are the complaints?

Also, is this one of the best prospect pools in the league?

i did top 20 thats enough :) emm peca? think he spends some time in nhl he is interesting might put up gourde numbers in ahl this season making the same movement as gourde

we got a lot of talent they all need to keep working hard most can spend some time in the league
 

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i did top 20 thats enough :) emm peca? think he spends some time in nhl he is interesting might put up gourde numbers in ahl this season making the same movement as gourde

we got a lot of talent they all need to keep working hard most can spend some time in the league

I agree pretty much (except on dotchin) but just due to the numbers game some of our guys won't make it.
 

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I agree pretty much (except on dotchin) but just due to the numbers game some of our guys won't make it.

dotchin has only impressed playing with argue wise the best d man in the entire nhl lol who was rolling along nicely during those 35 games:)

Dotchin really did not look good at all in syracuse playoffs to me I was taken aback so to speak ... thought after playing 35 games he would stand out look a ton better and he was not impressive at all it was the other way to me and that scares me.

We got righties coming he will really need to improve to hold his job over the next four years tops. He has time and hes learning and playing like said with the maybe best d man in the game:) That sometimes rubs off

look at points play style when started and how he finished after picking up some tricks from kucherov and palat on stealing pucks in board battles etc..

playing practicing competing day to day does a ton if your playing the highest level guys. Dotchin has that so can improve but he really does need improvement to be here long term.
 

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dotchin has only impressed playing with argue wise the best d man in the entire nhl lol who was rolling along nicely during those 35 games:)

Dotchin really did not look good at all in syracuse playoffs to me I was taken aback so to speak ... thought after playing 35 games he would stand out look a ton better and he was not impressive at all it was the other way to me and that scares me.


We got righties coming he will really need to improve to hold his job over the next four years tops. He has time and hes learning and playing like said with the maybe best d man in the game:) That sometimes rubs off

look at points play style when started and how he finished after picking up some tricks from kucherov and palat on stealing pucks in board battles etc..

playing practicing competing day to day does a ton if your playing the highest level guys. Dotchin has that so can improve but he really does need improvement to be here long term.

Agreed. Watching him during the playoffs, especially in the Finals, and he stood out more than others because of how poorly he read plays or how out of position he was. I was expecting the complete opposite.
 

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Agree to disagree on Dotchin.

Our problem is that, for example, a Mitchell Stephens may be held out of the lineup by Cirelli, Howden, Erne, Raddysh, etc. We have too many prospects for them all to make it.
 

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Agree to disagree on Dotchin.

Our problem is that, for example, a Mitchell Stephens may be held out of the lineup by Cirelli, Howden, Erne, Raddysh, etc. We have too many prospects for them all to make it.

Why does that matter for prospect rankings? It's about their potential and likelihood to reach it, not whether they have a roster spot.
 

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Agree to disagree on Dotchin.

Our problem is that, for example, a Mitchell Stephens may be held out of the lineup by Cirelli, Howden, Erne, Raddysh, etc. We have too many prospects for them all to make it.

if stephens doesnt make it to nhl in even a fourth line stint somewhere its his fault that he cant create opportunities for others and score himself plain and simple

he has a good checking 200 foot game but weakness is scoring and creating

after all the guys teams picked up this season we are being raided by other teams guys a lot of us probably figured would not have chances at this time are being grabbed

that says a TON on our development of players
 

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Why does that matter for prospect rankings? It's about their potential and likelihood to reach it, not whether they have a roster spot.

I know, I'm just saying it makes it hard to project. A guy like Stephens may be good enough to be a 3rd liner but not make the team because some of our other guys end up better. In that scenario is Stephens a 3rd liner or an AHLer?
 

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if stephens doesnt make it to nhl in even a fourth line stint somewhere its his fault that he cant create opportunities for others and score himself plain and simple

he has a good checking 200 foot game but weakness is scoring and creating

after all the guys teams picked up this season we are being raided by other teams guys a lot of us probably figured would not have chances at this time are being grabbed

that says a TON on our development of players

half the time I can't tell what you are trying to say.

what are you saying? that some of our guys will make it with other teams?
 

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I know, I'm just saying it makes it hard to project. A guy like Stephens may be good enough to be a 3rd liner but not make the team because some of our other guys end up better. In that scenario is Stephens a 3rd liner or an AHLer?

Was McDavid not the best prospect in the world before he played an NHL game? Judging a prospect based on opportunity, especially for us, would make every prospect a D.
 

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Was McDavid not the best prospect in the world before he played an NHL game? Judging a prospect based on opportunity, especially for us, would make every prospect a D.

I know that, I'm just saying that a guy like Stephens may never make the NHL due to us having 13 guys in front of him.
 

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I know that, I'm just saying that a guy like Stephens may never make the NHL due to us having 13 guys in front of him.

Yes he will, the guy has an NHL style game. He may not turn into a Callahan lite like he was projected but could easily be a better skating Paquette. He has a game coaches love and the talent to make a team even if it's stacked. Not every prospect has to get lucky like Dotchin who made the NHL because of lack of competition rather than actual talent.
 

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half the time I can't tell what you are trying to say.

what are you saying? that some of our guys will make it with other teams?

yes because of space and ability and stephens is one guy I am not sure will get a spot for us. Projected to a 2nd or 3rd line center who struggles to create for himself and team mates scoring wise is not going to cut it with others here probably whom are coming up.

Yes he will, the guy has an NHL style game. He may not turn into a Callahan lite like he was projected but could easily be a better skating Paquette. He has a game coaches love and the talent to make a team even if it's stacked. Not every prospect has to get lucky like Dotchin who made the NHL because of lack of competition rather than actual talent.

agreed his only question is can he be a center who delivers scoring opportunities for others. If does that he can make any team if doesnt do that he will be a grinding fourth liner who is very good on pk toughness grit and leadership.

Stephens plus list of attributes is actually through the roof for a prospect but can he play at high speed and help others make them better? If so he hits his potential if not hes a journey man so to speak but has a good career just never a 55 guy or more etc..
 

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Yes he will, the guy has an NHL style game. He may not turn into a Callahan lite like he was projected but could easily be a better skating Paquette. He has a game coaches love and the talent to make a team even if it's stacked. Not every prospect has to get lucky like Dotchin who made the NHL because of lack of competition rather than actual talent.

I don't think he's as much of a lock as you say but ok.

But THAT WASN'T MY POINT. HE WAS AN EXAMPLE. Maybe it will be Spencer, or Somppi, or Volkov. You get my point. The numbers game could push some talented guys out of the lineup.
 

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I don't think he's as much of a lock as you say but ok.

But THAT WASN'T MY POINT. HE WAS AN EXAMPLE. Maybe it will be Spencer, or Somppi, or Volkov. You get my point. The numbers game could push some talented guys out of the lineup.

If it was your point you would've used a lesser prospect. Stephens will play in the NHL barring an injury. The three you just mentioned I would give less a chance to make it, not because of numbers in front of them but their talent. Sommpi is looking like he might not get a contract, Spencer has fallen since he was drafted and we don't know a lot about Volkov yet.

Stephens is still a top prospect for us, he hasn't been passed by anyone. Howden and Cirelli are centers, while Stephens most likely plays RW, Erne and Joseph are on the left, Raddysh is his competition on the right, he's a year behind and needs work on his skating still. Stephens could play on the 4th line next year and be better than Brown, he's not a top 6 forward but a potential good middle 6 or great bottom 6 one.
 

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