Player Discussion Bobby Ryan Part VII

[JungleBeat]

And the point would be? Nobody would take him without sending salary back. And Melnyk doesn't like that sentence "salary back" so that's why he is still in Ottawa.

Send a message that poor conditioning and on ice laziness is unacceptable.

 

[Xspyrit]

Send a message that poor conditioning and on ice laziness is unacceptable.

How do you know about poor conditioning? Were you there at the training camp conditioning tests? I have actually read and heard that Bobby was actually in great shape

How do you figure that he is lazy? Is it based on preseason? Lmao. Ryan is not an aggressive player, he is a finesse player. He probably always looked lazy to you. I still see the same player I have watched for 10 years but older and minus a great shot, since injuries clearly affected him.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

How do you know about poor conditioning? Were you there at the training camp conditioning tests? I have actually read and heard that Bobby was actually in great shape

How do you figure that he is lazy? Is it based on preseason? Lmao. Ryan is not an aggressive player, he is a finesse player. He probably always looked lazy to you. I still see the same player I have watched for 10 years but older and minus a great shot, since injuries clearly affected him.

He looks even slower than last year. People are probably presuming he's out of shape based on that, which is fair. It looks like his on ice physical condition has deteriorated.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Ducks fan are fine with Ritchie holding out, sounds like we might not have missed out on much.

 

[Agent Zub]

Ducks fan are fine with Ritchie holding out, sounds like we might not have missed out on much.

Meh we likely would have been in the Nylander range without Ryan.

It's amazing how many bad trades we make.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Meh we likely would have been in the Nylander range without Ryan.

It's amazing how many bad trades we make.

It is and it isn't, hard to come out ahead on trades when you have to juggle working for Melnyk while trying to ice a competitive team.

 

[Agent Zub]

It is and it isn't, hard to come out ahead on trades when you have to juggle working for Melnyk while trying to ice a competitive team.

The blame isn't solely on Melnyk though. I agree he's an idiot but Murray and Dorion have made some awful trades of their own accord.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The blame isn't solely on Melnyk though. I agree he's an idiot but Murray and Dorion have made some awful trades of their own accord.

If I remember correctly we had been after Ryan for a while and the stumbling block was that Anaheim wanted a first and Murray wouldn't budge.

Alfie bailed and he caved. It's all because of Melnyk.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

If I remember correctly we had been after Ryan for a while and the stumbling block was that Anaheim wanted a first and Murray wouldn't budge.

Alfie bailed and he caved. It's all because of Melnyk.

He didn't cave because Alfie bailed. They were going to do the trade anyways. The hold up was that if they gave Alfredsson what he wanted in terms of money, there would not be cash available to make the Ryan trade.

 

[Xspyrit]

He looks even slower than last year. People are probably presuming he's out of shape based on that, which is fair. It looks like his on ice physical condition has deteriorated.

I don't really pay much attention to veterans in preseason. Experience has taught me that. We'll see when the games matter.

Meh we likely would have been in the Nylander range without Ryan.

It's amazing how many bad trades we make.

This is my favorite kind of argument! It's so out of touch with reality... like if teams were building their roster to absolutely suck and draft higher, particularly after making the playoffs the 2 seasons prior in 2011-12 and 2012-13 (despite many key injuries), and easily defeating the 2nd seed in the East 4-1 in the playoffs

Yeah, the Sens should have totally tanked in 2013-14! They shouldn't have signed MacArthur, they shouldn't have traded for Ryan. Just go full rebuild because 41 y/o Alfie left! Tell all the players that they have no faith in them (Karlsson, Spezza, Turris, Michalek, Zibanejad, Methot, Smith, Anderson, Lehner, Ceci, etc) and rebuild again!

 

[Do Make Say Think]

He didn't cave because Alfie bailed. They were going to do the trade anyways. The hold up was that if they gave Alfredsson what he wanted in terms of money, there would not be cash available to make the Ryan trade.

I'm very confident that what was said when the trade went down was that Murray didn't want to give up the first but that when Alfie bailed he caved because it was a PR disaster.

Its been a while though, I could be wrong.

 

[HavlatMach9]

I'm very confident that what was said when the trade went down was that Murray didn't want to give up the first but that when Alfie bailed he caved because it was a PR disaster.

Its been a while though, I could be wrong.

it's been a while but that's exactly how i remember it too

 

[Agent Zub]

I don't really pay much attention to veterans in preseason. Experience has taught me that. We'll see when the games matter.



This is my favorite kind of argument! It's so out of touch with reality... like if teams were building their roster to absolutely suck and draft higher, particularly after making the playoffs the 2 seasons prior in 2011-12 and 2012-13 (despite many key injuries), and easily defeating the 2nd seed in the East 4-1 in the playoffs

Yeah, the Sens should have totally tanked in 2013-14! They shouldn't have signed MacArthur, they shouldn't have traded for Ryan. Just go full rebuild because 41 y/o Alfie left! Tell all the players that they have no faith in them (Karlsson, Spezza, Turris, Michalek, Zibanejad, Methot, Smith, Anderson, Lehner, Ceci, etc) and rebuild again!

Who said anything about tanking lol?

My point is that if Murray and Dorion did absolutely nothing in terms of trades we would be a better team.

 

[Xspyrit]

Who said anything about tanking lol?

My point is that if Murray and Dorion did absolutely nothing in terms of trades we would be a better team.

That's not what you said though. But anyway, if the Ryan trade never happened, we would of had Silfverberg who would have been less productive than Ryan, Noesen would have probably been waived too and while we could have done a better selection with that 10th OA pick (in a weak draft), we could have drafted Ritchie as well or even worse. The thing is we expected the Sens to make the playoffs once again and that pick would have been slated later.

You said "we likely would have been in the Nylander range without Ryan." so it means that you think that we would have drafted earlier if the trade didn't happen but like I said, in the real world, a manager's job is to make his team better. Sens had made the playoffs 2 years in a row after the 2011 rebuild (and even won a round easily against the 2nd east seed) so after Alfie decided to sign elsewhere, Murray reacted and made a very good signing in MacArthur and traded for a star forward giving only 1 valuable piece (in the end), a guy that has a 0.51 PPG (which is lower than Ryan LAST YEAR) in 371 games with the Ducks, despite a LOT of ice-time and offensive opportunities. 0.51 PPG is an average of 42 pts per 82 games. Despite his struggles in the last 2 seasons, Ryan has an overall 0.61 PPG with the Sens in 353 games, which is an average of 50 pts per 82 games

Really, that trade didn't hurt as much as it has been talked about. It's not even close to what has been happening lately with Dorionylk.

Imagine if Dorion was forced to trade Karlsson, but instead of dragging this team into the ground, would have signed a D-man of MacArthur level and traded for a star D-man of Ryan level (at that time) while giving Cody Ceci, Nick Paul and what was expected to be a late 1st to acquire him.

 

[Tuna99]

The Bobby Ryan trade and signing has been bad evaluation since the beginning.

Warning signs were there - when Ryan tweeted the day of the trade he was 'coming in hot' and didn't show up for 2 months, I think that perfectly sums up the Bobby Ryan file in Ottawa.

 

[Tundraman]

I wouldn't jump on Bobby Ryan because of his performance (or perceived lack) in the preseason. Every vet in every market gets the benefit of the doubt with the explanation that vets don't go all out until the season starts. Lets at least be fair. My real concern is that he has put himself in harm's way in front of the net with a lot of wild shot rookies around. With his injury history he shouldn't do that when it doesn't count or benefit the team. It would be like Boro getting goaded into a fight by some young AHL lifer in these warmup games. Save it for when it means something!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Send a message that poor conditioning and on ice laziness is unacceptable.

I don't know about lazy and poor conditioning... I just think hes not up to snuff. games too fast for him to be a consistent threat. couple rounds on the stationary bike aint gonna help him.

 

[Stylizer1]

I don't know about lazy and poor conditioning... I just think hes not up to snuff. games too fast for him to be a consistent threat. couple rounds on the stationary bike aint gonna help him.

Sens need to bring back the bikes after games.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

S L O W ... but ... I N T E N S E

 

[Stylizer1]

S L O W ... but ... I N T E N S E

 

[Boud]

I wouldn't jump on Bobby Ryan because of his performance (or perceived lack) in the preseason. Every vet in every market gets the benefit of the doubt with the explanation that vets don't go all out until the season starts. Lets at least be fair. My real concern is that he has put himself in harm's way in front of the net with a lot of wild shot rookies around. With his injury history he shouldn't do that when it doesn't count or benefit the team. It would be like Boro getting goaded into a fight by some young AHL lifer in these warmup games. Save it for when it means something!

On the other hand, the injuries just give him an excuse for his poor play.

 

[Xspyrit]

On the other hand, the injuries just give him an excuse for his poor play.

Why are reasons automatically penciled as excuses?

I mean if an Olympic runner breaks his leg and can’t make the Olympics anymore, is it an excuse or a reason? It’s the same for every sport, your performance will heavily depend on your physical status.

 

[Stylizer1]

Why are reasons automatically penciled as excuses?

I mean if an Olympic runner breaks his leg and can’t make the Olympics anymore, is it an excuse or a reason? It’s the same for every sport, your performance will heavily depend on your physical status.

This has been the exact same story each season. He gets all of his points in the first half of the season and fades in the second half. Now he just gets hurt all of the time so he never gets around to slowing down.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I hate Ryan's guts, but if there is any part of him that has one more "good" season left, please let it be this year.

 

[Tuna99]

Ryan doesn't have the heart or the love for the game, injuries all athletes have to deal with, but the warriors manage them and treat them so they can get back to excellence.

IMO Ryan got his huge contract he was playing for and it killed his motivation. To me, my guess is he welcomes the injuries at this point so he has an excuse to hide behind and a reason to not play.

Im guessing Ryan looks at LTIR as a good thing, his injuries will get him there. based on his will on the ice, I can't see him playing for another 4 years.