Player Discussion Bobby Ryan Part VII

[stempniaksen]

Also because it’s Bobby people forget or dimiss his playoff performance. He was by far our best forward. If it was Turris or Stone or some other well liked player that had that performance people would still be talking about it, yet with Bobby it’s almost like it never even happened.

Honestly, that playoff run makes his last few years even more disappointing. The talent is obviously there, but the drive/consistency haven't been. He was a (much) different player during that run than he was at any other point in a Senators uniform.

 

[Stylizer1]

Honestly, that playoff run makes his last few years even more disappointing. The talent is obviously there, but the drive/consistency haven't been. He was a (much) different player during that run than he was at any other point in a Senators uniform.

This is so obvious it gives my headache a migraine.

 

[Sensinitis]

Honestly, that playoff run makes his last few years even more disappointing. The talent is obviously there, but the drive/consistency haven't been. He was a (much) different player during that run than he was at any other point in a Senators uniform.

He looked like he did before his hernia surgery in the 1st year here, and the following season after those playoffs he injured his hand again... so it doesn’t seem like drive or consistency have anything to do with it.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

If you are an athlete who has had any serious injuries you will understand how much an injury can mess up your rhythm and set you back.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

But also Bobby Ryan has demons. You'd think that would go without saying. I'm sure they factor in to some of his inconsistency.

 

[Stylizer1]

If you are an athlete who has had any serious injuries you will understand how much an injury can mess up your rhythm and set you back.

Nothing prevents an athlete from working hard to come back better. It just gives some of them an excuse to go country clubin.

 

[Xspyrit]

There's no question he's trending down though. I'd honestly be surprised if he ever hits the numbers he did in his first few years in Ottawa. The numbers the last 2 and a half years aren't very flattering. It also doesn't help that he's pretty 1 dimensional and with his offensive numbers slipping I don't really see an issue with anyone calling him out for his play.

I think it's a mixture of a lot of factors (his on-ice play, his contract, his injuries) but this guy hasn't lived up to his contract or his hype and as such is (understandly) a lightning rod for criticism.

Of course, he has passed his peak as he is going on 32 and he was never fast to begin with. Not a lot of players can put PPG of 0.70 or above so yes it’d be a big accomplishment if he could do it again.

While his numbers the last 3 seasons (including this one) haven’t been great it’s not that bad at the same time (2016-17 was bad though but he redeemed himself in the playoffs nicely), 0.53 to 0.56 PPG is lower end 2nd line production so the problem is not that he is trash like some idiots say but just that he is overpaid and injury prone. Also disagree that he is 1-dimensional, he is not a defensive specialist by any means but he is adequate and can play through a system effectively; as advanced stats suggest, although it’s almost impossible to do in a Boucher system.

So yes you’re right, there’s no problem calling him out, criticizing him that he is overpaid, injury prone, disappointing, declining or whatever deserved criticism but that isn’t the problem here (and overall on the internet and social medias). Some people are just not able to criticize, all they can do is disrespectfully bash like frustrated teenagers would do. Reading some of the comments, I am flabbergasted that any adult would have that kind of Pejorative Slured langage. I am totally open to criticism as I do it quite a bit myself but as usual on the internet, it goes way too far

If you are an athlete who has had any serious injuries you will understand how much an injury can mess up your rhythm and set you back.

That should go without saying; you don’t even need to be an « athlete », just someone who practiced some sports and had injuries; or even if you followed the NHL for years, you should have witnessed a lot of players careers derailed because of injuries as they were aging. Just for the Sens, many went through that.

 

[Stylizer1]

Of course, he has passed his peak as he is going on 32 and he was never fast to begin with. Not a lot of players can put PPG of 0.70 or above so yes it’d be a big accomplishment if he could do it again.

While his numbers the last 3 seasons (including this one) haven’t been great it’s not that bad at the same time (2016-17 was bad though but he redeemed himself in the playoffs nicely), 0.53 to 0.56 PPG is lower end 2nd line production so the problem is not that he is trash like some idiots say but just that he is overpaid and injury prone. Also disagree that he is 1-dimensional, he is not a defensive specialist by any means but he is adequate and can play through a system effectively; as advanced stats suggest, although it’s almost impossible to do in a Boucher system.

So yes you’re right, there’s no problem calling him out, criticizing him that he is overpaid, injury prone, disappointing, declining or whatever deserved criticism but that isn’t the problem here (and overall on the internet and social medias). Some people are just not able to criticize, all they can do is disrespectfully bash like frustrated teenagers would do. Reading some of the comments, I am flabbergasted that any adult would have that kind of ******ed langage. I am totally open to criticism as I do it quite a bit myself but as usual on the internet, it goes way too far



That should go without saying; you don’t even need to be an « athlete », just someone who practiced some sports and had injuries; or even if you followed the NHL for years, you should have witnessed a lot of players careers derailed because of injuries as they were aging. Just for the Sens, many went through that.

Thank god you're perfect.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

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[Tuna99]

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This fight perfectly sums up why Kyle Turris is and always will be a better hockey player then Ryan. Turris doesn't want to fight but Turris does fight and answers the bell whether he's been drawn into the fight or asked for th fight, Turris is there to respond with determination (in a size mismatch as well, so not a fair fight Turris answers the bell. Ryan picks this spot once every 2 years, goes all on for 30 seconds, and then disappears and never engages another play until 2021.

Turris has the passion and determination for game and mans up.
Ryan has limited passion every 2 years and only engages unwilling combatants (Turris and the guy who hit Mac)

 

[Korpse]

Turris has the passion and determination for game and mans up.
Ryan has limited passion every 2 years and only engages unwilling combatants (Turris and the guy who hit Mac)

This post didn’t make a lick of sense if I’m being completely honest.

 

[Xspyrit]

Kyle Turris (29 y/o) : 638 GP 155 Goals 225 Assists 380 Points (0.60 PPG)

Bobby Ryan (31 y/o) : 765 GP 240 Goals 284 Assists 524 Points (0.68 PPG)

Ryan is only 2 years older but has produced 144 pts more than Turris (including 85 goals). Kyle is turning 30 y/o soon, I don't see him aging well in his 30's and reaching these totals easily. If he starts running into injury trouble like Ryan did, forget it, it won't even be close.

Saying "Kyle Turris is and always will be a better hockey player then Ryan" is just plain stupid at this point. Ryan was a pretty dominant player from 2008 to 2016, with a ~ 0.75 PPG something that Turris did once in his career.

Drawing the comparison with Chiasson goal scoring is also stupid. I mean if Alex Chiasson scores 30 this year (which he is on his way to do), it shouldn't be a knock on players that won't score 30 but more than Chiasson deserves some praise and that he is finally reaching his potential because he's finally getting the right opportunity in the right system. He was a pretty good prospect in Dallas with a top-6 ceiling. Most players reaching the NHL have the potential to be good, it's not because it's not working at a certain point in time with a certain team that they are "crap players" Shows you how much "fans" really know about the sport.

Patrick Eaves scored the same number of goals as Ovechkin in 2016-17, does this means he is as good as the best goal scorer of all-time?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

This fight perfectly sums up why Kyle Turris is and always will be a better hockey player then Ryan.

Take a look at their numbers.

Kyle Turris (29 y/o) : 638 GP 155 Goals 225 Assists 380 Points (0.60 PPG)

Bobby Ryan (31 y/o) : 765 GP 240 Goals 284 Assists 524 Points (0.68 PPG)

The numbers show that Ryan is better than Turris.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Take a look at their numbers.




The numbers show that Ryan is better than Turris.

Do boro and karlsson

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Take a look at their numbers.




The numbers show that Ryan is better than Turris.

Ryan has had a better career peak than Turris. Ryan was a legit star in Anaheim before coming here. We only saw that Ryan in short half season type spurts here, so it's easy for Ottawa fans to not realize how good he was for a few straight years on another team.

Even with the longer term on his deal, Turris is the better player and more valuable asset right now. He's been consistently more productive than Ryan over the last few seasons, plays a more valuable position, and a team just gave up a very good young defender, a 2nd, and a prospect for him last year. We probably would have trouble giving Ryan away let alone getting that sort of return.

 

[Stylizer1]

Kyle Turris (29 y/o) : 638 GP 155 Goals 225 Assists 380 Points (0.60 PPG)

Bobby Ryan (31 y/o) : 765 GP 240 Goals 284 Assists 524 Points (0.68 PPG)

Ryan is only 2 years older but has produced 144 pts more than Turris (including 85 goals). Kyle is turning 30 y/o soon, I don't see him aging well in his 30's and reaching these totals easily. If he starts running into injury trouble like Ryan did, forget it, it won't even be close.

Saying "Kyle Turris is and always will be a better hockey player then Ryan" is just plain stupid at this point. Ryan was a pretty dominant player from 2008 to 2016, with a ~ 0.75 PPG something that Turris did once in his career.

Drawing the comparison with Chiasson goal scoring is also stupid. I mean if Alex Chiasson scores 30 this year (which he is on his way to do), it shouldn't be a knock on players that won't score 30 but more than Chiasson deserves some praise and that he is finally reaching his potential because he's finally getting the right opportunity in the right system. He was a pretty good prospect in Dallas with a top-6 ceiling. Most players reaching the NHL have the potential to be good, it's not because it's not working at a certain point in time with a certain team that they are "crap players" Shows you how much "fans" really know about the sport.

Patrick Eaves scored the same number of goals as Ovechkin in 2016-17, does this means he is as good as the best goal scorer of all-time?

Put Bobby on Arizona for his first few years and see how motivated of a player he is.

 

[Cosmix]

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Turris deserved the treatment as he slashed Bobby twice.

 

[Yak]

What options does team have with Bobby?

1. He needs a carbon fiber glove or we get lucky and next hand injury and he goes in LTIR.

2. Demand he goes to the Gary Roberts school of hard knocks next summer or don't show up for training camp.

3. Try a breach of contract for showing up in poor condition.

4. Keep him on the 4th line till he earns his way off it.

Bobby seems like a nice guy with a lot of bad luck and lack of passion or injuries have just effected more then we know and flow of the game no longer works for his regressing skill set.Sucks for him and us but NHL is a business and his play just sends wrong message to youngsters.

 

[Tuna99]

What options does team have with Bobby?

1. He needs a carbon fiber glove or we get lucky and next hand injury and he goes in LTIR.

2. Demand he goes to the Gary Roberts school of hard knocks next summer or don't show up for training camp.

3. Try a breach of contract for showing up in poor condition.

4. Keep him on the 4th line till he earns his way off it.

Bobby seems like a nice guy with a lot of bad luck and lack of passion or injuries have just effected more then we know and flow of the game no longer works for his regressing skill set.Sucks for him and us but NHL is a business and his play just sends wrong message to youngsters.

Ryan never misses an opportunity to talk about his hand injury and remind us all he had hand troubles - for a believer it neatly sums up his 5 year ‘slump’, doesn’t take into account he’s never the best player on the ice or you leave the arena thinking ‘Ryan tried to win us this game with his effort’

 

[JungleBeat]

What options does team have with Bobby?

1. He needs a carbon fiber glove or we get lucky and next hand injury and he goes in LTIR.

2. Demand he goes to the Gary Roberts school of hard knocks next summer or don't show up for training camp.

3. Try a breach of contract for showing up in poor condition.

4. Keep him on the 4th line till he earns his way off it.

Bobby seems like a nice guy with a lot of bad luck and lack of passion or injuries have just effected more then we know and flow of the game no longer works for his regressing skill set.Sucks for him and us but NHL is a business and his play just sends wrong message to youngsters.

Pay Seattle to take him. We’ll be much better off without his lazy worth ethic.

 

[JungleBeat]

Ryan never misses an opportunity to talk about his hand injury and remind us all he had hand troubles - for a believer it neatly sums up his 5 year ‘slump’, doesn’t take into account he’s never the best player on the ice or you leave the arena thinking ‘Ryan tried to win us this game with his effort’

His constant theatrics of being injured are getting old on the ice. He should win an Oscar for his acting abilities.

 

[Stylizer1]

His constant theatrics of being injured are getting old on the ice. He should win an Oscar for his acting abilities.

You mean a Razzie Award.

 

[Cosmix]

I wonder what Dorion would have done if it was Bobby Ryan's gf that was allegedly doing the things accused of Hoffman's GF.. Who would he have traded Ryan to and how much would it have cost him?

Would cost a first round draft pick and salary retention of $3M.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Would cost a first round draft pick and salary retention of $3M.

Would have been pretty crazy if it came to that... . Dorion racing to get Ryan out the door, to give himself a chance to keep Karlsson, who he had already decided to move , soon after he sold the farm to get Duchene, who he quite possibly won't be able to keep... Like he said; "there is no manual on how to be a GM" .. At least he was over the moon on his Burrows acquisition, so he has had some happy moments.

 

[Cosmix]

Would have been pretty crazy if it came to that... . Dorion racing to get Ryan out the door, to give himself a chance to keep Karlsson, who he had already decided to move , soon after he sold the farm to get Duchene, who he quite possibly won't be able to keep... Like he said; "there is no manual on how to be a GM" .. At least he was over the moon on his Burrows acquisition, so he has had some happy moments.

I don’t see positive results until the ownership changes and a new management team is brought in to replace the GM, President, coaching staff, etc. My interest in this team is eroding as every day goes by and I fear more bad news is just around the corner as we head into the new year, TDL, and end of this season.