Bobby Orr interview on CBC

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    :) Awesome. Thanks for posting that sn.... looking forward to reading his book.
     
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    I'm looking forward to reading his book. Orr was such a great player for such a long time in the NHL.
     
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    I certainly agree with his comments about the game in general and more specifically the issues of speed & size, and how yes removing the Centre Ice Red Line opened up the game a lot HOWEVER, the consequences have not been pretty for many a player. Without "barriers" or brakes on the tremendous wheels almost all of the players are skating on these days injuries including major concussions are just going continue.... I at first like many welcomed its removal but soon became more than just a little concerned watching the havoc that ensued. As well, Id be removing that idiotic Trapezoid & encourage Goalies to play the puck, go back to the standard square crease & return the nets & goal lines to the pre-Gretzky-office spec's, returning some square footage in front of the net which would help in discouraging the constant, incessant & boring corner cycles.
     
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    I was reading some of the comments on the CBC website and one poster stated after watching Orr's highlights that goalies and players looked like humans on skates playing hockey back then. That is in contrast to today's players who look robotic mostly because of the equipment they are wearing. The poster also stated that goalies looked more athletic then, not like a mass of equipment in front of the net (para). Interesting comments. I think if today's NHL scaled down on the size of all player's equipment, it would help us relate better to today's players.

    Further, Martin Biron was placed on waivers today. I saw some of his recent highlights and he let in a wrist shot from about 50 feet. However, he was down on his knees before the player let the shot go. To be fair though, in years past, many players were able to beat goalies with slapshots from far out, especially if they were low shots. I attribute this to the stand up style of goalies back then. So the moral of the story is, if you can't stop 'em...
     
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    How many games would pat Quin have gotten when he knocked out orr with a head shot.Would coaches be suspended for life if they forced players to play while been concussed.Read the Henderson book where he says coaches and players laughed at you if you didnt play hurt.
     
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    Ordered Orr's book today from Amazon....$19. May order a few more as Christmas gifts for a few friends
     
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    Well, Im no fan of the Butterfly but its in reaction to whats going on out in front, how the games being played & size (height/weight) does matter. Your under 6' and a goalie, might not got Drafted at all unless exceptional and even then, at 5'10"? Probably not.... the whole thing, the way the games played, coached & taught, all of it really, just a very complex jumble. Theres just no way you could play stand-up in todays game.

    Hard to say if he'd have been suspended at all thom. Controversial hit. A lot of people in the building thought it was clean but the problem was, that was Bobby Orr out cold. Earlier that season Quinn & Orr started a feud when Orr tried to knock a puck out of Bruce Gambles hand & Quinn Cross Checked him hard, some kicking going on between the two before it was broken up. That hit was in 1969, Quarter Final Playoff's, Boston going on to beat Toronto 10-0. Quinn got a 5 Minute Major, and in the Penalty Box fans reigning garbage & beer on him so he swung his stick at some of them shattering glass then escorted off the ice altogether however Forbes Kennedy of the Bruins did retaliate & in leaving the ice lost it with a Referee & was Suspended. Last game he ever played for the Bruins in fact. Orr came back & played the next game albeit with a massive headache, Quinn facing the backlash, retribution including Orr beating him up later that year, the following season.
     
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    Wow. As creepy as Jian Ghomeshi might be, that woman is a pretty shallow, low-quality individual.

    Anyways, back to the important hockey talk :).
     
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    He's quite well spoken.

    It's nice to see legends speak out against the overcoaching of youths. The best method of development is still the ole rink outside.
     
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    I remember this game vividly, it was game 1 of the quarterfinals. However, Forbes Kennedy was playing for the Leafs in that series. He really got into it with John MacKenzie and few of the other Bruins later in that game.
     
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    Orr is a smart hockey mind for sure. I share his concerns about the red line. The speed is good, but at what cost. The dman are often hung out to dry here. Can't argue about your thoughts on the trapezoid either, or dimensions, all valid.

    I'm trying to figure out the thought process behind the trapezoid and for the life of me I can't figure out how they concluded limiting a goalies skillset would be a good idea.
     
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    .... :dunce: yep. My mistake. For Kennedy, hit on Orr an excuse to get back at Boston for trading him perhaps.

    He'd engaged in 4 fights FOR the Leafs, not yer Broons. He'd played for Boston from like 62-66 or so and I always think of him as a Bruin. Started his career in Chicago late 50's before being traded to Detroit where he played for a couple of years spending time in the minors then Boston for 4 seasons. Smaller guy, only 5'8" or 5'9" but quite the little piston. Started or took on all comers.
     
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    Ya, pure idiocy. Instituted in 2005/2006. Was thought it would increase scoring with the goalie no longer able to play the puck behind the net on dump in's or on the fore-check, the resultant increase in goals the NHL was hoping for has proven to be completely negligible.... A skill-set goalies worked on throughout their amateur & Junior careers in rendering invaluable aid to their defenceman & back checking forwards outlawed, the back of the net turning into a killing floor as a result. Barely a game is played without at minimum guys getting boarded & injured as a result. Hit just last night in Anaheim, Korpi of the Coyotes getting a penalty for stapling a Duck to the boards behind Mike Smith who wouldve played that puck but for the fact he wasnt allowed to.

    So from first moving the goal lines & nets out with the Gretzky Rule & decreasing the amount of real estate players have & need out front to removing the center ice red line & messing with the blue lines; that moronic trapezoid all resulting in taking away space & removing safety valves.... combined with the speed & size of todays players & just generally the way the games played, lack of respect, slugs out there essentially running Hari-Kari just "hitting" rather than "checking", many feel its just gotten out of hand & these rule changes (including the Instigator Rule which should be abolished IMO) combined with alterations to the ice surface itself, over-coaching & control, what exactly are we lookin at here? Its a mess. But dont just take it from Bobby Orr or other disgruntled observers such as I, heres Scotty Bowman with more criticism of his own & again shared by millions....

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/
     
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    Indeed. It really is quite maddening. Take the trapezoid; even guys like Brendan Shanahan, the NHL's now Director of Discipline has said its not solved anything nor contributed to any increase in goals.... In fact quite the contrary; you go behind the net as a defender or in on the fore-check and get to the puck first and your being chased? All kinds of potential for injury. Even when you do receive whats a normal check, the Ref could easily call a Boarding as his views obstructed. Or lets say your dealing with a Diver who goes for an Academy Award, like he's had his spine crushed over nothing? Leagues loaded with players like that. Just been shot or something. Embellish... In as much as I like the removal of the Center Ice Red Line well, I think safety first, and theres just no way with the size, incredible skating abilities & speed combined with the in too many cases lack of hockey IQ & respect that someone soon doesnt wind up getting buried or cremated. Just a matter of time.
     
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    To the youth on this site an nhl player has already died from a massive head shot.Theres a trophy barring his name.Do you not understand thats how athletes played with concussions and seperated shoulders.Educate yourselves please
     
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    Thom, do you not understand that this is a forum that many of us acquire that education? You don't need to preach to all of us every time you make a point.
     
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    Okay sorry my words were not meant to put down someone.Sometimes I get emotional reading a thread thinking its not entirely accurate
     
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    ... Ace Bailey permanently damaged... Ted Green.... the death of Bill Masterton... yes, of course thom.... plenty of tragedies to go around. More than enough.... its for just those reasons, the lessons of the past & the damage done & being done, todays players skating on a razors edge with the rule changes that guys like Bobby Hull, Bobby Orr, Scotty Bowman & many others are speaking out.
     
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    It sure does work where I am overseas. Thanks for that.

    Playing ruleless 20-boy shinny on a lake with no out of bounds sure explains his wide rushes and puck ragging. It's how players used to grow up. Times have really changed.
     
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    Well, we all did it. Morning until nightfall on those ponds. We used to pray for an early freeze. Bobby did it a little better than most. he was a natural talent.
     

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