Speculation: Bob McKenzie's Bobcast: Drouin for Shatterkirk trade

[Five Alarm Fire]

His value has certainly gone up. Played nearly a full season, and produced 20 goals with 50 points, so a team would def love to get his RFA rights, just have to see if the deal is good enough, if it is, Yzerman will pull the trigger. I also think if it's true that if he wants a big contract now it is going to be inevitable trading him. Not sure how it works, but if he does not re-sign and holds out, does his RFA status become UFA by Dec 1st? Not sure of the rule there.

If he's unsigned by Dec 1st, he's ineligible to play for anyone for the full season, and resumes RFA status next offseason.

 

[Todd1a]

Drouin has no Arb rights he does not have options this year! Option 1. Take yzermans nice bridge deal offer of two or three years. Option 2 take yzermans one year deal tender offer? So I don't know why everyone is going nuts over drouin it's going to end up being a bridge deal! Now palat and Johnson have options they have arb rights.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Depending on who turned it down, if STL actually nixed this trade thats the funniest **** i've heard in some time. Instead they got picks, Sanford (okay) and Malone (bad).

 

[MattM92]

Depending on who turned it down, if STL actually nixed this trade thats the funniest **** i've heard in some time. Instead they got picks, Sanford (okay) and Malone (bad).

If I had to guess, Shattenkirk nixed it because it was likely contingent on a new contract on Tampa's end.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

My guess as well.

 

[Butchered]

Eh - issues are very different this time. He's not arbitration eligible, so he'll be back next year whether he wants to or not, and any offer sheet he signs that we wouldn't match would a) require a ton of cap space for the signing team [most contending teams aren't sitting there with the ~6+ million in cap space we wouldn't match], and b) require them all to have at least their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks next season (which means the Coyotes, Blackhawks, Panthers, Wild, Sens, Sharks, Caps, and Leafs are off the board as well just so far - the draft could remove a few other teams from this list).

If a team plans to OS Drouin, we'll see some signs. They'll shed some salary and either try and get *back* their draft pick they traded away (if one of the above), or there will be some rumors about a trade between us before it happens.

The thing is, we'll match a market rate contract for Drouin. So for a team to OS him, they'll have to go over the market rate AND give up a lot of assets. That's a tough position for any team to be in. So the most likely outcome is he is back here next season. Second most likely is he's traded. OS just isn't likely.

Edit: I'll also say this - I'm frustrated with his usage and I'm sure he is too. I still don't like how he handled last season with his suspension, and think that was a really bad look for any player in this league (especially young players). However - I don't begrudge him anything if he wants to pull every penny he can from the Lightning/force a trade at this juncture. Those are within his rights as a player and he shouldn't feel like he has no choice in where he wants to play.

Agreed with what was said, especially the last part. I was ready to never see Drouin on the team again (and stated as much on these boards) but once he came back after supposedly burying the hatchet with Cooper, to see him still get used the way he has is crazy to me. I'm not saying guys should just be given a pass on everything, but his usage is just super suspicious to me. You send him back to juniors to learn a different position, bring him in and shelter him to an absolutely asinine degree, stick him with bad line mates and even worse minutes. I just don't understand what the thought process was with him.

I think Drouin just wants to play. He wants to be able to make mistakes as he develops. You learn by making mistakes. Drouin makes a mistake and he's punished. That puts even more pressure on him to not make mistakes and that probably hurts his game overall.

I can absolutely see a scenario where he went to Yzerman and said he still wanted out, but would play until a deal was found. This is what he should have done in the first place.

I also don't think Yzerman would be the guy to just issue a QO or to try and lowball Drouin in the last year he's likely going to be here.

I don't put much into the OS. It would need to be a perfect storm. Drouin is unlikely to sign anything TB would match because then he'd be stuck in TB under those terms. I don't think there's any teams out there in the position to offer Drouin anything that TB wouldn't match.

Ultimately, I think it's just best for both parties (especially Drouin) to go in a different direction.

 

[Butchered]

If I had to guess, Shattenkirk nixed it because it was likely contingent on a new contract on Tampa's end.

I think (???) this was talked about during the trade deadline when he was moved and it was reported we almost had a deal earlier in the season. I believe it mentioned that Shattenkirk declined the contract TB was offering. Made it seem like TB was 100% ready to go on the deal and it was the other side that called it off.

 

[MattM92]

I think (???) this was talked about during the trade deadline when he was moved and it was reported we almost had a deal earlier in the season. I believe it mentioned that Shattenkirk declined the contract TB was offering. Made it seem like TB was 100% ready to go on the deal and it was the other side that called it off.

You're right.

 

[Todd1a]

I think (???) this was talked about during the trade deadline when he was moved and it was reported we almost had a deal earlier in the season. I believe it mentioned that Shattenkirk declined the contract TB was offering. Made it seem like TB was 100% ready to go on the deal and it was the other side that called it off.

We don't know 100 percent that drouin was involved it was also rumored to be Tyler Johnson going to St. Louis

 

[Rschmitz]

We don't know 100 percent that drouin was involved it was also rumored to be Tyler Johnson going to St. Louis

The only legitimate source to speculate on the player involved from our side was Drouin by Mckenzie

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Yeah, I questioned that elsewhere, but I don't remember getting a response from HF at large. IIRC what he said was something like "enough people reported it and I believe it to be true."

 

[Tampabear]

Gotta love how whenever someone reaches UFA or RFA around here they suddenly turn to ****.

 

[Hoek]

Gotta love how whenever someone reaches UFA or RFA around here they suddenly turn to ****.

We're just practicing our negotiating tactics.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Gotta love how whenever someone reaches UFA or RFA around here they suddenly turn to ****.

This is universal throughout most sports forums. Prospects are better than proven players, cheap options are better than pricey ones, draft picks are worth more than most NHL players, etc.

For some reason, all message board GMs seem to rather play 'Money Ball' like the A's.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Unless there is some kind of behind the scenes issue (attitude, money, requesting trade) that we don't know about, I would MUCH RATHER trade TyJo or Palat than Drouin.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Unless there is some kind of behind the scenes issue (attitude, money, requesting trade) that we don't know about, I would MUCH RATHER trade TyJo or Palat than Drouin.

You just said this in another thread, and I still agree

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I agree here, too.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

You just said this in another thread, and I still agree

Just wanted to make sure Yzerman sees it.

 

[PaulGG]

He did us a favor by turning down Steve Y offer. He hasn't impressed me at all in these playoffs.

 

[Sky04]

3 points and a minus 7, guy is a PP specialist and 2nd pairing defender at ES.

Horrible idea to want him for that cost. What do the Pens have for defense again? Schultz? what do they have on offense again? Oh right 4 strong lines.

 

[The Gongshow]

Shatty hasn't done much for WAS. He was god awful last night, like super bad. I haven't been impressed with him with the Caps at all. Their D core is already pretty solid, but they wanted the offensive boost and haven't really gotten it. They paid a big price for him too.

 

[TampaJay]

Shatty hasn't done much for WAS. He was god awful last night, like super bad. I haven't been impressed with him with the Caps at all. Their D core is already pretty solid, but they wanted the offensive boost and haven't really gotten it. They paid a big price for him too.

He did look bad. Watching that performance I was thinking that last fall we were like the guy in Matrix dodging a bullet and didn’t even know it. A 6 x 7 contract would have been bad enough, but losing Drouin on top of it would have been a clean head shot. I still find it hard to believe that Yzerman was going to do a 1 for 1.

 

[Sky04]

He did look bad. Watching that performance I was thinking that last fall we were like the guy in Matrix dodging a bullet and didn’t even know it. A 6 x 7 contract would have been bad enough, but losing Drouin on top of it would have been a clean head shot. I still find it hard to believe that Yzerman was going to do a 1 for 1.

Desperation, but he was a horrible target to begin with.

 

[Stormbreaker]

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I so so so so so don't want to trade Drouin.