TSN: Bob McKenzie on Insider Trading: Leafs have preliminary contract talks with Jake Muzzin

[LeafsNation75]

Update from TSN on Insider Trading.

Insider Trading: Kreider in high-demand; Leafs, Muzzin to talk extension

 

[Mickey Marner]

Expansion question.

say we extend muzz. I think they would structure the deal to be unacceptable for Seattle. A poison pill like montreal tried on aho.


Full signing bonuses in the year of and after the draft. So basically if they draft him June 2021. Then they would have to pay a massive SB on July 1 and the next year. 2 big cash payouts I. 12 months is huge for an expansion team.

the only way they could take muzz then is to trade him to a team that needs help.

IF the leafs gave muzz a full NTC for the expansion year. I know Seattle could take him. But then would they have to honour the clause. Or could they flip him wherever?

Muzzin will almost certainly have a full NMC at the beginning of the contract, so he must be auto-protected.

There's no way he'll give up term without security.

 

[Menzinger]

I think one could make a pretty strong case hes been the Leafs #1 D man this season. Hed be a pretty big loss to let walk July 1et

With all the talk of the Leafs health science stuff one would imagine they wouldnt give a comfortable that they werent comfortable with regards to term. That said, i think theyd likely want to keep the extension from going past the age of the 35.

 

[justafan22]

I think one could make a pretty strong case hes been the Leafs #1 D man this season. Hed be a pretty big loss to let walk July 1et

With all the talk of the Leafs health science stuff one would imagine they wouldnt give a comfortable that they werent comfortable with regards to term. That said, i think theyd likely want to keep the extension from going past the age of the 35.

4 x 5.5 is perfect.

 

[Its not your fault]

4 x 5.5 is perfect.

Bet it's 3 years at 5.5 30 plus players arnt getting the long contracts.

 

[Drytoast]

Bet it's 3 years at 5.5 30 plus players arnt getting the long contracts.

That's a reasonable prediction. I'd say closer to 6 because Toronto market.

 

[realgoodleafs]

I think he's a grit grinder like Hainsey. He's gonna play for a while yet.

 

[Burnie97]

4 x 4.5

 

[Warden of the North]

Im not going to like this deal. Hope im wrong about it.

 

[Jozay]

Ideally its a 3 year deal. Front loading a 4 year deal that'll allow the team to move off it by year 4 would also be okay.

 

[Green Snow Storm]

If it's over 3 years I'm not going to like it unless it's super cheap. Like sub 4 million (ain't happening).

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If Muzzin is signed and Dermott cant effectively play the right side the leafs will have some interesting choices with 4 LD that will need time next year.

Muzzin and Rielly will be sticking on the left side I imagine to get the best out of them

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Sign him, we have nothing in the farm system like him. We need him, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Rielly4]

If we sign him i guess we arent trading for a top pair RD? If we are Dermott would have to go...And personally i value Dermott over Muzzin.

 

[Dave92]

3 years is ideal, hopefully playing close to his childhood friends and family counts for something. Muzzin is nice but not irreplaceable, the Leafs don't need another contract that is an obvious anchor waiting to happen.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[SprDaVE]

If we sign him i guess we arent trading for a top pair RD? If we are Dermott would have to go...And personally i value Dermott over Muzzin.

... why not keep both?

I think people are way too focused on LHD/RHD. While it's preferred, it's not absolutely necessary. A defenseman like Dermott can play the RD, so can Rielly and Sandin for that matter. Keefe also juggles his pairings based on zone starts and certain scenarios/matchups, so the LD/RD thing doesn't really matter in terms of their handedness as long as they can play the position.

It's also good to have depth. If we're completely healthy, it might not be a bad idea to rotate certain players. We saw this year how badly you can be tested.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

That's a reasonable prediction. I'd say closer to 6 because Toronto market.

I hope you are right. Going 4+ years I think it is really big risk. If Dubie goes 5+ years then I think a lot of folks will be complaining in year 4. But it all depends on the AAV. Dubie and his gang of CAP specialists will figure it out. I hope we can sign Dermy and Mik too. To me those 3 guys are critical resigns. and if we have to move on from 1 or 2 of Kappy, Kerfoot and AJ oh well that is hockey as they say.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If Muzzin is signed and Dermott cant effectively play the right side the leafs will have some interesting choices with 4 LD that will need time next year.

Muzzin and Rielly will be sticking on the left side I imagine to get the best out of them

Rielly Dermy
Muzz Holl
Sandin Lily
Marty
unless something crazy like a trade occurs this is what you are going to see next year ... my hope is we can trade Ceci and Barrie for a better fit defensive defender but we will see where our Leafs are in 3 weeks ... I can't see us rushing into anything until Muzz is resigned

 

[18leafsfan18]

I hope you are right. Going 4+ years I think it is really big risk. If Dubie goes 5+ years then I think a lot of folks will be complaining in year 4. But it all depends on the AAV. Dubie and his gang of CAP specialists will figure it out. I hope we can sign Dermy and Mik too. To me those 3 guys are critical resigns. and if we have to move on from 1 or 2 of Kappy, Kerfoot and AJ oh well that is hockey as they say.

I think Engvall is as important as well. Guy is a perfect 3rd liner who can step into top 2 lines if injuries happen. He actually might end up being a top 6 guy anyway.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think Engvall is as important as well. Guy is a perfect 3rd liner who can step into top 2 lines if injuries happen. He actually might end up being a top 6 guy anyway.

Sorry yes yes. Wouldn't it be great to see:
Hyman Matty Marner
Mik Tavares Willy
AJ Engval Kappy
Moore ??? ???
This assumes Kerfoot is traded. ??? likely 2 Marlies or maybe Timmer or Spezza. It would be great to see a healthy lineup next season. Kinda exciting. But Keefe will get a long look at Engval at 3rd line C for next 3 weeks before this would be decided I'm sure. But can we afford it with CAP??? I don't know.

 

[Mess]

Leafs gave up 1st 2019 + 2nd rounders (Grundstrom + Durzi) and 1st in 2020/21 all banking on this season.

If they let Muzzin walk as UFA that is the equivalent of all that above lost ..

Because of the investment both direct and indirect its almost imperative that Leafs retain Muzz simply to show long term ROI (return on investment). IMO

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Leafs gave up 1st 2019 + 2nd rounders (Grundstrom + Durzi) and 1st in 2020/21 all banking on this season.

If they let Muzzin walk as UFA that is the equivalent of all that above lost ..

Because of the investment both direct and indirect its almost imperative that Leafs retain Muzz simply to show long term ROI (return on investment). IMO

Yes but but but ... lets see what Dubie can do on term and AAV ... we don't want a 2-3 year boat anchor either. This is a tough one. I hope it is not an overpay on term.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Sorry yes yes. Wouldn't it be great to see:
Hyman Matty Marner
Mik Tavares Willy
AJ Engval Kappy
Moore ??? ???
This assumes Kerfoot is traded. ??? likely 2 Marlies or maybe Timmer or Spezza. It would be great to see a healthy lineup next season. Kinda exciting. But Keefe will get a long look at Engval at 3rd line C for next 3 weeks before this would be decided I'm sure. But can we afford it with CAP??? I don't know.

Engvall can't demand a ton of money. IMO he comes in cheaper then all 3 of Kerfoot, Kapanen, Johnsson which makes 1 or 2 of those guys expendable and actually saves the team some money in cap.

Mik is going to hard to ask for a ton as well, because although he was rolling pretty good he only got in 30 or so games and is likely out for the season.

If the Leafs use 2 of Kappy, Johnsson, Kerfoot to try and bring in a good Defensive D, they shed around 6.6-6.9 mil and I don't think Engvall and Mik take all that saved money.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Engvall can't demand a ton of money. IMO he comes in cheaper then all 3 of Kerfoot, Kapanen, Johnsson which makes 1 or 2 of those guys expendable and actually saves the team some money in cap.

Mik is going to hard to ask for a ton as well, because although he was rolling pretty good he only got in 30 or so games and is likely out for the season.

If the Leafs use 2 of Kappy, Johnsson, Kerfoot to try and bring in a good Defensive D, they shed around 6.6-6.9 mil and I don't think Engvall and Mik take all that saved money.

I hope you are right .... but sounds like a good plan