Bob MacKenzies team last night.

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another good line-up:

Gagne - Sakic - Iginla
Richards - Lecavalier - Bertuzzi
Nash - Thornton - Heatley
Smyth - Staal - Crosby
Doan
 

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The Gagne-Sakic-Iginla line should not be altered in any way; that line is a force.

Although I'm not so sure about Morrow...

I don't know. Gagne looked awfully good on a line with Joe Thornton and Rick Nash at the world championships. Gagne is that burner on the line and having Nash and Thornton banging bodies opens up even more space for him. He could be deadly on that line.

As for the "youngsters", if Crosby goes, then you know that Lemieux issued an ultimatum to Team Canada that Crosby must go in his place. It's god damn farce. Staal deserves that spot more than Sidney does. Compare the players Sidney plays with and who Staal plays with and there should be no questions as to why Staal goes.
 

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great thread – minimal homerism!
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just a couple points:

Doan scored the cup-winning goal in a 3-2 game at the World Cup in 04 and kinda proved why Gretz put him on. I reckon he’ll be back.

speaking of “why is he a lock?†– Nash has played 3 games this year, you just can’t go with him – he’s 21 – he’ll be around for plenty more Olympics.

everybody’s forgetting Kariya – 4-for-4 on penalty shots, former Olympian, on fire this year.

I too think Phaneuf for the 7th D – game-breaker, Potvin-esque, plays like a vet, can spark a team in a single shift.

oh, and Gretz said in a post-game interview recently that Crosby is the real deal, indicating to me that he’s going to pick him. he also raved about Curtis Joseph and I’m sure he’s going to pick him. (he’s also playing the best of any of the named can. goalies)
 

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I dont want to see Jovanovski, Brewer, Draper, Maltby or Bertuzzi anywhere near this team. They have done nothing to earn a spot. Marleau has been nothing short of phenominal at both ends of the ice he can play wing and center plus hes a captain and has great wheels. Yet no one wants this guy on the team.

No way Crosby should play ahead of Staal or Spezza he has a two thirds of the points they do.

If Nash cant go id like to see Crosby or Doan as the 13th guy.

Lecavalier Sakic Iginla
Gagne Spezza Heatley
Marleau Richards St Louis
Smyth Thornton Nash
Staal

Niedermayer Pronger
Redden Blake
Regher McCabe
Phaneuf

Brodeur
Luongo
Fernandez

Captain Jerome Iginla
Assistant Joe Sakic
Assistant Scott Niedermayer
Assistant Chris Pronger
 

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I would take Crosby or Staal over Spezza right now.

As of now, the other two are more complete players.
 

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Another Sens fan here.

I would take Crosby or Staal over Spezza right now.

As of now, the other two are more complete players.

Staal, yes, Crosby, no. I see Spezza as much as you do and I'd take Spezza, for sure.
 

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I don't know. Gagne looked awfully good on a line with Joe Thornton and Rick Nash at the world championships. Gagne is that burner on the line and having Nash and Thornton banging bodies opens up even more space for him. He could be deadly on that line.

As for the "youngsters", if Crosby goes, then you know that Lemieux issued an ultimatum to Team Canada that Crosby must go in his place. It's god damn farce. Staal deserves that spot more than Sidney does. Compare the players Sidney plays with and who Staal plays with and there should be no questions as to why Staal goes.

Sorry but I don't think Lemieux can pull that one and wouldn't pull that one if he could. Nice job attacking the integrity of two of the greatest players of all time in one sentence.

Compare the players Sid plays with. How many of them were in their primes since his age hit double digits?
 

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I would take Crosby or Staal over Spezza right now.

As of now, the other two are more complete players.

I would take Crosby because he brings some of the qualities Theo Fleury brought to Salt Lake City. Although Sakic got the MVP nod, I think that Thoe was the one who played the best hockey for Canada while everyone was struggling during the first weeks adjusting to the big ice. In the same way, Crosby's natural ability will be instant asset from the get go while some of the older dinosaurs on team Canada struggle to adjust to the bigger ice and new rules.

Crosby brings speed, tenacity, hustle, desire, talent, enthusiasm and spark! He's also a perfect fit for the high pressured shoot outs that Canada may encounter. Sid has shown throughout his career that he can deliver when the pressure is on and I can't think of maybe 1 or 2 players on the probable Canadian squad who would be ahead of Sid on a shoot out! Just ask Jose Theodore!!!

Sidney makes sense because he fills a number of needs on team Canada.


Stall would make it if the team was selected on merit alone. He is a complete player and a very talented one. However, he brings many of the same qualities as Joe Thornton. If I had to choose between Joe and Eric, I would take Joe at this point although Eric may be the bigger star in the future. Also, Eric is not as dynamic on the shoot out as Sid.

So in this sense, Stall doesn't really fill a need on the team like Crosby does.

Spezza makes sense because Heatley is there. Olympics is a 2 week tournament and as it almost happened at the last Olympics, it could be over before the players gel. Having a tandem like Spezza and Heatley who's played all year long cannot be underestimated...esp. since both are right near the top of the heap in terms of scoring!!!
 
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He was Canada's best defenseman at the 2002 Olympics actually.
I'm not a big Jovo fan, but I understand his value to a team like Canada, and it was clearly evident in Salt Lake.

Are you serious? Jovo the best defender at Salt Lake City?

MacInnes was a heart attack waiting to happen every time he touched the puck at that tournament but aside from him, who was Ed better than on team Canada's D?
 

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The team should be:

Gagne/Sakic/Iginla
Staal/Spezza/Heatley
Lecavalier/Richards/St.Louis
Smyth/Thornton/Morrow

Ext. Tanguay

Niedermayer/Blake
Pronger/Redden
McCabe/Foote

Ext. Jovanovski

Brodeur
Joseph

Luongo

Captain: Sakic
Alternate: Niedermayer
Alternate: Iginla
 

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So, if Crosby played on Ottawa instead of Pittsburgh, you don't think he would have 14 more points?
Or are you touting Spezza's defensive prowess?
Crosby has plenty of offensive weapons with the Penguins, it's their D that sucks.

Also you forget, it's not like Spezza didn't earn those points.

Sorry guys, but Crosby isn't Jesus Christ on skates like a slighted faction of HF likes to pretend.
 

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I understand that people are down on Draper and Jovanovski, and that there's a debate about Bertuzzi, Doan, and Smyth. But I can't figure out why St. Louis is such a lock. He hasn't been that great this year, and he's only had one really good year. IMO, he should be as much as a bubble guy as everyone else mentioned so far.

I really don't understand why Draper should have a spot. I never understood the need to get true grit guys like him. Smyth and Doan would offer more than enough energy and checking to compensate not having Draper. With that being said, I don't know if Doan is a lock. I think Smyth will make it for his grity, experience and leadership, and Bertuzzi will probably be on the team as well.

For Jovo, I think it's due to his play this year. He's a great skater and passer, but he ahs been turning the puck over this year and making a lot of mistakes. Personally I think he should still have a spot, he's got size, skating, toughness and good passing.

St. Louis I don't know if he's such a lock. No doubt he's a great player though, but I think he is a bubble player considering how great some young guys are playing.
 

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No way is Joesph playing better than any goalie named. Turco is playing better IMO. To rank them right now would be like 1a and 1b. If you wanted to go top goalies right now for Canada it would be Turco, Joesph, Legace. However we all know two of the three mentioned will not be there. Turco, Joesph, Theodore and Luongo will all battle for 2 and 3.
 

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Are you serious? Jovo the best defender at Salt Lake City?

MacInnes was a heart attack waiting to happen every time he touched the puck at that tournament but aside from him, who was Ed better than on team Canada's D?
By the end of the tourney Quinn had his minutes way up,he was playing real well.
 

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Doan, Bertuzzi and Draper have all been huge disappointments this season...I can't understand why they'd be on the team if there are guys who can do what they do, only better...ie (Morrow and Smyth.)

I don't know why McKenzie never mentioned Morrow at all...he's very gritty, can skate, hit...plays well in his own zone and he's scoring as well or better than Doan, Draper, Bertuzzi, Smyth, Crosby and St.Louis...

Speaking of Crosby..I still don't get it. He's good...but he's not as good as Spezza or Staal. Just taking him because of politics and hype is so stupid. He'll be great and he'll be on the next olympic team....but he has NOT EARNED his spot on this team. He simply is NOT one of Canada's top 14 forwards.
 

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Gretzky has said that those who have won before will have to play their way off the team. Smyth, while slumping lately, has still had a respectable start to the year, and the beauty of a guy like Smyth is he can play on either a scoring line or a checking line, and he's strong in front of the net on the PP. I believe he's the only player to be part of all four champions (2002 Olys, 2003 and 2004 World Championships, 2004 World Cup). Therefore, I think he's a lock.

My locks:
F - Sakic, Iginla, Heatley, Thornton, Gagne, Richards, Lecavalier, Smyth. (8 forwards).
D - Foote, Niedermayer, Blake, Pronger, Redden. (5 defencemen).
G - Brodeur, Luongo

Notes:
F:
*St. Louis isn't a lock, based on his play this year, but his perseverance coming back from the finger injury may have cinched his spot. Plus, he's very, very good defensively, witness his fourth place finish for the 2004 Selke.
*Nash was a lock prior to the injury. Now he might have a week to impress the big boys.
*Bertuzzi's been too inconsistent to be a lock anymore. A good final few games before the roster is announced will go a long ways. When he's on, there's nobody like him in the NHL. It's just he hasn't been on much since about the 60 game mark of the 2002-03 season.
*Lots of interesting options. Draper and Doan have been so good on the checking line. Morrow has been terrific this year in Dallas. He'll get a long look, but will likely come up just short. Shanahan will also get a long look, after his great start. One name to watch is Marleau. If he continues to thrive, he'll get a very long look.
*I think one of the wonderkids will make the team. My pick is Staal, because he's a little more well-rounded. On the flip side, if teams can dress 13 forwards and seven defencemen (which they have been allowed to in the past), then maybe Spezza is the guy, since he can act as a PP specialist.

D:
*Jovanovski will probably get one of the spots, due to his history with Canada. If teams are allowed to outright dress 7 D, then McCabe should get it, and act as a PP specialist. If they're allowed to carry six, then Jovo or McCabe won't make it (I'll say Jovo makes it), and Regehr will find his way in.
*When I talked about players who have played their way off the team, Eric Brewer fits the bill. I'm a big Brewer fan, but between the trade to St. Lou, the injury and the way McCabe and Regehr have come forward, I don't see Brewer on the team.
*Darkhorse pick: Dan Boyle. He moves the puck well, and he's not as risky as Jovo or McCabe. (Not as strong or physical, either, but geez Boyle is smooth). One thing to note: Boyle was excellent for Canada at the 2005 Worlds.
*Sorry, Flames fans, but Phaneuf will not make it. But his time will come.

G:
*I say it's between CuJo and Turco. CuJo has likely been the best goalie in the league this year. Turco's been up there, too, and he's a great playmaker. Turco did well in putting the ego aside as the No. 3 goalie at the Worlds last year. CuJo pouted after losing the No. 1 job at the 2002 Olys, but he seems more willing to accept the role.
*Belfour was great as the No. 3 at the 2002 Olys, but his inconsistency this year will keep him off.
*Theodore will not get on, since he wasn't happy about being the No. 3 at the 2004 World Cup.
 

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Doan, Bertuzzi and Draper have all been huge disappointments this season...I can't understand why they'd be on the team if there are guys who can do what they do, only better...ie (Morrow and Smyth.)

I don't know why McKenzie never mentioned Morrow at all...he's very gritty, can skate, hit...plays well in his own zone and he's scoring as well or better than Doan, Draper, Bertuzzi, Smyth, Crosby and St.Louis...

Speaking of Crosby..I still don't get it. He's good...but he's not as good as Spezza or Staal. Just taking him because of politics and hype is so stupid. He'll be great and he'll be on the next olympic team....but he has NOT EARNED his spot on this team. He simply is NOT one of Canada's top 14 forwards.

And don’t forget Crosby is a lock based on the possibility of Canada going to a shootout in every single game :sarcasm:

Q: Does Bertuzzi making the team make force one/all of the younger players off the team?
 

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*Darkhorse pick: Dan Boyle. He moves the puck well, and he's not as risky as Jovo or McCabe. (Not as strong or physical, either, but geez Boyle is smooth). One thing to note: Boyle was excellent for Canada at the 2005 Worlds.
*Sorry, Flames fans, but Phaneuf will not make it. But his time will come.

I like your darkhorse pick. Personally I'll say Phillips as another darkhorse candidate. He's another guy who is a great skater, but more importantly is sound defensively, never panics and has international experience. I wasen't sold on picking Boyle for the 05 Worlds but he played very well imo.

As for Phaneuf, I don't see him making it this year, but he should be a core member of Canada's defence in future international events.
 

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I understand that people are down on Draper and Jovanovski, and that there's a debate about Bertuzzi, Doan, and Smyth. But I can't figure out why St. Louis is such a lock. He hasn't been that great this year, and he's only had one really good year. IMO, he should be as much as a bubble guy as everyone else mentioned so far.

I completely agree. I'll admit I haven't really watched Tampa play this season however St. Louis isn't even in the Top 50 in scoring. A lot of guys haven't exactly had great seasons who have been good for Canada in the past so it'll be interesting to see who gets picked and how loyal they decide to be to those currently struggling that have helped them before. I also don't think Nash should be considered a lock having played only 3 games this year.
The locks in my opinion are:
Forward
Sakic
Gagne
Iginla
Heatley
Thornton
Defence
Blake
Pronger
Neidermeyer
Redden
Goal
Brodeur (with Cujo's play this year he should there)
 

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David said:
Are you serious? Jovo the best defender at Salt Lake City?

MacInnes was a heart attack waiting to happen every time he touched the puck at that tournament but aside from him, who was Ed better than on team Canada's D?

According to Don Cherry.
 

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Well the goalies left after list being whittled down to 40 are:
Belfour, Brodeur, Luongo, Joesph, Theodore, Turco

Meaning there are only 34 skaters left on the list.
 
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