Player Discussion Bo Horvat

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  1. Canuckle1970

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    He doesn't have that "charging bull" speed he usually has. Either he is legitimately tired, or playing with an injury.
     
  2. TruKnyte

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    Could be a combination of both. He had to take on more ice-time with Sutter out, and now with Pettersson's injury that isn't going to get any easier. Greater fatigue = more likely to get a low grade injury.
     
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    Bo should definitely hold the C. Very underrated. He may be a tier below Petterson in ability, but IMO the real gap between the rest of the team lies beneath Horvat, not just Petterson alone. Boeser is great but Horvat, to me, is clearly the more valuable player.
     
  4. iFan

    iFan Horvat to Virtanen

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    I actually agree with you on this, Horvat isn’t the shiny new toy for Canuck fans and I think he does get a bit under appreciated. Pettersson is ridiculously good, same with Boeser but Horvat is just as valuable to this team as either one of those two.
     
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    Sorry, I think we actually disagree :(

    My point was that Horvat isn't really in the same convo as Boeser. He's above that and he's not as far as most people think from the Petey conversation... and then you have the rest of the "supporting staff", headed by Boeser.
     
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    iFan Horvat to Virtanen

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    Horvat taking nearly 25 face offs a game is a crazy number, if he wasn’t doing that who would replace him at that rate? Offensively, Horvat isn’t as good as Pettersson or Boeser but Horvat’s all around game is just as important to the team as Pettersson or Boeser.
     
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    Big SPORTSNET..... always pushing their agenda.


    o_O
     
  8. Disappointed EP40

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    I think u misread
    Interesting info, thanks.
     
  9. Ronning On Empty

    Ronning On Empty Formerly BleachClean

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    I'm bumping this because I noticed that Horvat's primary points numbers have dropped off this year.

    Last year, he was at 1.62 P1/60, which placed him in the top90 of all forwards. This year, he's at 1.09 P1/60. With a 400 minutes played cut-off, he's in the 181 - 210 cohort, which is just shy of a top6 forward. That's not good.

    I've noticed him tailing off of late. He needs to get it together for this team to be anything. I know they have overworked him this year and his linemates have been not-so-good. Still, that's no excuse when Roussel and Virtanen are now bettering his primary points contribution.

    He's a key cog. This kind of drop off raises a questions.
     
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    Horvat is the new kesler. Great two way center for 2nd line, and never gets the competent wingers that he deserves.
     
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    Mark Stone would solidify this forward core so much. Bo needs help. And in the meantime, just keep Roussel there. At 5 on 5 that tandem is 11 goals for 1 against. Jake doesn't work there or anywhere really.
     
  12. Jay Cee

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    Eriksson was supposed to be a top 6 player and would have helped out a great deal. Now we need at least 2 top 6 players so we can put him on the third line like he deserves, and make top dollar for it.
     
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    This is probably a good reason. Horvat has been asked to carry the defensive role when Sutter/Beagle we’re out, had the most faveoffs taken in the NHL (not sure if he still does) and is being flanked by garbage that can’t do anything in the offensive zone.

    The fact Horvat has produced at the rate he has is impressive to me. I’d be happy if he could just get ONE decent winger that could help in the offensive zone.

    Horvat is likely burnt out from all the heavy defensive lifting he has done and all the tough minutes he’s had to play.
     
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    It's probably burn out because Roussel and Virtanen are bettering him in the P1/60 category.

    It could also be rotation as EP40 has taken his spot on the top line and Boeser is playing there and not with Horvat.

    Something to monitor going forward.
     
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    Horvat has increased his goal totals each season as a Canuck. He went from 13 to 16 to 20, to 22 last season. He now sits at 18 after 54 games and is on a projected 27 goal pace over 82 games. At the rate he has been going in the second half, can anyone see him getting fewer than 5 goals in the next 28 games and not continuing his goal total improvement each season?
     
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    Bo Horvat is a solid, two-way second line center. And is ultra-valuable to the Canucks on both sides of the puck. I just wish he could find a way to bump the slumps he gets into, where he goes pointless and goal-less through 10 game stretches.

    They need more consistent scoring from him, and you could see last night some of his frustration, because he knows it. Of course part of the problem is that when Beagle and Sutter went down, Bo was drawing all the heavy lifting in the d-zone and it definitely wore him down.

    Canucks could still use another skilled, creative two-way center to round out their lineup. Maybe Gaudette or eventually Madden?
     
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    Disagree with your last sentence.

    Noone comes even close to Pettersson’s value to this team.
     
  18. Ronning On Empty

    Ronning On Empty Formerly BleachClean

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    Forget a top line LW, the goal should be to get Horvat some wingers aside from Roussel.

    Go after Donskoi as a start.

    We can no longer treat Baertschi as a constant in the line-up.
     
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  19. Burke's Evil Spirit

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    100%. Any lineup that pencils Baertschi in as a top-6 player next season is doomed.

    I'd have next seasons forwards as:

    Goldobin-Pettersson-Boeser
    someone-Horvat-someone
    Baertschi-Gaudette-Virtanen/MacEwen
    Roussel-Beagle-Eriksson

    Lots of decent UFAs to go after, just don't overpay Ferland or Simmons.
     
  20. daddyohsix

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    . . . proceeds to pencil in Goldobin . . .
     
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    Fair point, but if Goldy flounders with Roussel and Baertschi in the bottom 6, there are options for the team. Another way to think of it is: one top-6 winger spot should go to the best of Goldy/Baertschi/Roussel.

    Right now, with everyone healthy the top 6 includes all of Goldy, Baertschi, and Virtanen. THAT sucks.
     
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    That's Baertschi.

    We're doomed.
     
  23. kanucks25

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    Love the guy but no NHL #1 PP unit will be successful with Bo Horvat on it.

    His play-style is built for 5-on-5, using his power to create chances off the rush and off the cycle.

    He simply does not have the offensive skill to have any role on any top PP.
     
  24. bossram

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    I don't really get that. Horvat has skill and decent hands in tight. And he's a bull on the boards and controls possession down low. He seems like an obvious fit for a 2011-era Kesler-esque role on the PP: Net front for tips/deflections, retrieve loose pucks, and collect the garbage.

    You put Petey and Boeser on opposite sides, slinging it around and dropping bombs. What we need is a dynamic QB Hughes is coming) and a fluid, skilled, high IQ player who can fill that bumper spot. We haven't really found a fit in the bumper yet.
     
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    Kesler was great at screens/deflection though and I just haven't seen that from Horvat yet.
     

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