Blues Trade Proposals 2020-21 - Part II

[Ranksu]

Walman will make Krug and Dunn expendable.

 

[MissouriMook]

Walman will make Krug and Dunn expendable.

Maybe he makes Dunn expendable, or maybe Krug gets exposed and taken in the expansion draft because he is expendable and they want to spend the money elsewhere, but I don't see a situation where they move on from both because of Walman. If Walman claims a full time spot next season and neither Krug or Dunn are around, I just about guarantee that it is because Krug's money was spent on another #2/#3 level left shot defenseman to pair with Parayko and Walman takes on Dunn's role as a (somewhat) sheltered bottom 6 PP specialist.

 

[Chojin]

The Blues defense situation re: the expansion draft is so juicy; you have to wonder how they're going to avoid giving away a top-4 defenseman for free.

 

[Ranksu]

The Blues defense situation re: the expansion draft is so juicy; you have to wonder how they're going to avoid giving away a top-4 defenseman for free.

Well if we can afford to give away free franchise dmen.

 

[Apitheous]

Just a thought, Dunn to Kraken for draft picks?

 

[stl76]

Just a thought, Dunn to Kraken for draft picks?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this suggestion but just don't see any reason why Seattle would be willing to give up assets. Maybe if they LOVED Dunn and thought we might protect him? I don't see it personally, the kraken will have plenty of options to fill out their roster without having to give up assets for players.

 

[Frenzy31]

With Tarasenko out yet again, you have to wonder if he will be exposed at the expansion draft.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Just a thought, Dunn to Kraken for draft picks?

Dunn++ to Calgary for Hanifin or a top-4 LHD upgrade. Everyone keeps talking about how bare our prospect pool is (since so many have graduated, mind you), but the thing is, our window to win is going to require selling futures for players that can play now. We shouldn't be worried about our prospects. It's not like we're Pittsburgh with their abysmal farm, and we definitely need players NOW, not 4 years from now.

 

[simon IC]

Dunn++ to Calgary for Hanifin or a top-4 LHD upgrade. Everyone keeps talking about how bare our prospect pool is (since so many have graduated, mind you), but the thing is, our window to win is going to require selling futures for players that can play now. We shouldn't be worried about our prospects. It's not like we're Pittsburgh with their abysmal farm, and we definitely need players NOW, not 4 years from now.

I love Hanafin, and I think he is precisely what we need, but apparently Darryl Sutter loves him too. He's not leaving Calgary any time soon.

 

[Chojin]

Dunn++ to Calgary for Hanifin or a top-4 LHD upgrade. Everyone keeps talking about how bare our prospect pool is (since so many have graduated, mind you), but the thing is, our window to win is going to require selling futures for players that can play now. We shouldn't be worried about our prospects. It's not like we're Pittsburgh with their abysmal farm, and we definitely need players NOW, not 4 years from now.

That doesn't help the expansion situation at all though.

 

[Frenzy31]

Back to the Laine discussion.

So initial question was do you trade Laine for Schenn?

Most seemed to feel that Laine isn't worth the ask or his next contact. This may well be true - but he is 24..... As pure goal scorer as there is in the league, beyond Matthews and McD, I would put him in the top 5. If we gave up on everyone who had a bad year, we wouldn't have any players.

I do feel it is a bit of a risk, but contact wise, I would rather have Laine at Schenn contact then Schenn. Laine is a sniper, pure and simple. And as for Columbus, none of the players have been great this year. There is lot of focus on Laine, but.. he is just part of the issue. Tort should be done there.

Honestly, I don't lean either way, but I thought it would be a fun discussion. If Laine bounces back next year, which I expect him to do, then he has more value then Schenn. This is a bit buying low and taking a risky asset. Obviously if the LA stuff is true, you don't waste your time, but I also don't believe stuff posted on the internet.

I think he is a better version of Hoffman and would mesh well with Thomas.

 

[Reality Czech]

Dunn++ to Calgary for Hanifin or a top-4 LHD upgrade. Everyone keeps talking about how bare our prospect pool is (since so many have graduated, mind you), but the thing is, our window to win is going to require selling futures for players that can play now. We shouldn't be worried about our prospects. It's not like we're Pittsburgh with their abysmal farm, and we definitely need players NOW, not 4 years from now.

I don't see that trade happening for the reasons others have mentioned, but I do agree with the rest of the post. Also, when talking about Pittsburgh they always remain competitive despite trading prospects/picks and moving fairly big names around. Of course having Crosby and Malkin helps greatly, but they also show that a team can empty the prospect pool and still remain competitive. However, that means a team has to make tough decisions and perhaps move players that the fans aren't happy to see leave. Rutherford got criticised for some of his moves (rightly so) but he also found a way to add a lot of quality veterans over the years.

The Hawks and Bruins are two other teams that have made very bold moves in the hopes of having long-term success. Imagine trading away Panarin for Saad, or having to dump a young Big Buff or in Boston's case players like Seguin, Kessel and Wheeler. In today's NHL, it seems impossible to both "keep the band together" completely and have sustained success. The mentioned teams focused on keeping their core 3-5 players in place, but the rest of the roster was always changing.

 

[Xerloris]

Back to the Laine discussion.

So initial question was do you trade Laine for Schenn?

Most seemed to feel that Laine isn't worth the ask or his next contact. This may well be true - but he is 24..... As pure goal scorer as there is in the league, beyond Matthews and McD, I would put him in the top 5. If we gave up on everyone who had a bad year, we wouldn't have any players.

I do feel it is a bit of a risk, but contact wise, I would rather have Laine at Schenn contact then Schenn. Laine is a sniper, pure and simple. And as for Columbus, none of the players have been great this year. There is lot of focus on Laine, but.. he is just part of the issue. Tort should be done there.

Honestly, I don't lean either way, but I thought it would be a fun discussion. If Laine bounces back next year, which I expect him to do, then he has more value then Schenn. This is a bit buying low and taking a risky asset. Obviously if the LA stuff is true, you don't waste your time, but I also don't believe stuff posted on the internet.

I think he is a better version of Hoffman and would mesh well with Thomas.

Absolutely not. Hoffman puts more effort into defense than Laine does.

 

[Frenzy31]

Absolutely not. Hoffman puts more effort into defense than Laine does.

So your stance is your prefer Hoffman once Laine going forward? And he puts more effort into defense. I don’t see it. Hoffman is great on the PP, but I am not sure he is any better then Laine defensively.

I think Laine stunk it up this year, but he is 7 years younger and I expect him to bounce back.

 

[Xerloris]

So your stance is your prefer Hoffman once Laine going forward? And he puts more effort into defense. I don’t see it. Hoffman is great on the PP, but I am not sure he is any better then Laine defensively.

I think Laine stunk it up this year, but he is 7 years younger and I expect him to bounce back.

Laine comes off as a prima donna. He'll demand massive money and then be lazy and throw fits if he doesn't play with who he wants. He did it to the Jets and he'll do it again.

 

[Frenzy31]

Laine comes off as a prima donna. He'll demand massive money and then be lazy and throw fits if he doesn't play with who he wants. He did it to the Jets and he'll do it again.

I can’t disagree with this at all. It is a fair criticism of his character so far. Definite red flag

I do wonder though if part of it is being on a losing team. There were no complaints when Winni was playing well. More over the last two seasons.

Again, just playing devils advocate here.

 

[Blueston]

Back to the Laine discussion.

So initial question was do you trade Laine for Schenn?

Most seemed to feel that Laine isn't worth the ask or his next contact. This may well be true - but he is 24..... As pure goal scorer as there is in the league, beyond Matthews and McD, I would put him in the top 5. If we gave up on everyone who had a bad year, we wouldn't have any players.

I do feel it is a bit of a risk, but contact wise, I would rather have Laine at Schenn contact then Schenn. Laine is a sniper, pure and simple. And as for Columbus, none of the players have been great this year. There is lot of focus on Laine, but.. he is just part of the issue. Tort should be done there.

Honestly, I don't lean either way, but I thought it would be a fun discussion. If Laine bounces back next year, which I expect him to do, then he has more value then Schenn. This is a bit buying low and taking a risky asset. Obviously if the LA stuff is true, you don't waste your time, but I also don't believe stuff posted on the internet.

I think he is a better version of Hoffman and would mesh well with Thomas.

Laine gonna cost much more than Schenn. I like Laine and think he gets bad rap, but don’t think I deal Schenn for him all things considered.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

If Laine isn't a red flag, then what is, exactly? No to Laine.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Absolutely not. Hoffman puts more effort into defense than Laine does.

also would be MUCH cheaper

dunno that Laine would like playing for Berube

 

[Brockon]

also would be MUCH cheaper

dunno that Laine would like playing for Berube

I think playing for Berube would be better than playing for Torts.

Both demand similar things, but Torts is much more public about voicing his displeasure.

 

[Brockon]

So your stance is your prefer Hoffman once Laine going forward? And he puts more effort into defense. I don’t see it. Hoffman is great on the PP, but I am not sure he is any better then Laine defensively.

I think Laine stunk it up this year, but he is 7 years younger and I expect him to bounce back.

I think part of that is that Hoffman's role on his past 2 teams since he broke into the league full time in 2014-15 (6 seasons) was largely to be an offensive machine. Both Florida and Ottawa had the other lines carrying the defensive assignments.

I think this is the first year in the NHL he's been tasked with playing a two way game at the age of 31... It stands to reason he's going to show better as the season progresses.

 

[BlueOil]

If Laine isn't a red flag, then what is, exactly? No to Laine.

the dickey is always a red flag, say no to turtleneck pat

 

[Reality Czech]

I think part of that is that Hoffman's role on his past 2 teams since he broke into the league full time in 2014-15 (6 seasons) was largely to be an offensive machine. Both Florida and Ottawa had the other lines carrying the defensive assignments.

I think this is the first year in the NHL he's been tasked with playing a two way game at the age of 31... It stands to reason he's going to show better as the season progresses.

I agree with that, plus Hoffman seems content to be a role player. He seems to know what his role is as he does it very well, in my opinion. Laine seems like he wants to be THE guy, and seems like he ends up being more of a distraction than he should be. I don't know how much he brings on himself, maybe it's just the pressure that comes with being a top 3 pick with all that talent.

Either way, from a management perspective I think Hoffman is a safer bet than Laine. They are both elite goal scorers, but I'd rather have the more predictable guy at a better price than the wild card in Laine. He sure is fun to watch though.

 

[TheDizee]

Blues should consider a hard look at getting Eichel

Sanford and a few picks should be enough to do it, it worked once it will work again.

 

[Xerloris]

Blues should consider a hard look at getting Eichel

Sanford and a few picks should be enough to do it, it worked once it will work again.

If we throw in an extra cap dump they might even retain 50%.