Blues Trade Proposals 2018-2019

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Would you trade Kyrou + a 1st for Mark Stone? There would have to be a significant contract going to Ottawa like Steen or Bouwmeester. Barring the cap dumps, do you deal the cost controlled Kyrou with the unknown ceiling for the known quantity of Stone that’s going to cost close to 7 million a year?

Short answer: No.


Long Answer:
I’d offer Kostin instead.
Stone would be an excellent Steen replacement.

 

[mk80]

Short answer: No.


Long Answer:
I’d offer Kostin instead.
Stone would be an excellent Steen replacement.

Stone is looking to get around $7M (barring anything in his arbitration case deciding differently). So to acquire him we would have to shed more salary than a pick and prospect. According to Capfriendly we have $6.8M and some change in cap space.

That's before resigning Edmundson (RFA), Schmaltz (RFA), Jaskin (RFA) and Sundqvist (RFA).

 

[Dbrownss]

Would you trade Kyrou + a 1st for Mark Stone? There would have to be a significant contract going to Ottawa like Steen or Bouwmeester. Barring the cap dumps, do you deal the cost controlled Kyrou with the unknown ceiling for the known quantity of Stone that’s going to cost close to 7 million a year?

It's not really possible. Neither of those guys are waiving for that toxic team

 

[simon IC]

Thanks. Glad I post here instead of the main board rather have you guys call me stupid

I like to post my trade proposals here before I go to the main boards. I would never call you stupid, and I doubt any others here would either. There are a lot of knowledgeable fans here provide a great sounding board for trade ideas.

 

[brokeu91]

Would you trade Kyrou + a 1st for Mark Stone? There would have to be a significant contract going to Ottawa like Steen or Bouwmeester. Barring the cap dumps, do you deal the cost controlled Kyrou with the unknown ceiling for the known quantity of Stone that’s going to cost close to 7 million a year?

I would do that in a heartbeat. But I doubt Ottawa does that. They could definitely get more for Stone than that. Heck, he's one player I'd give Thomas up for (the other being Panarin)

 

[CaliforniaBlues310]

Once we got our trio, I gave up on the thought of Stone coming here.

 

[BlueDream]

Once we got our trio, I gave up on the thought of Stone coming here.

I think this is the first time in a while I've been truly content. I haven't been thinking about adding anyone else since our roster looks great.

If the team added an experienced 4th liner or something I wouldn't complain, but we have no real needs. We're set. so all that's left is just see how Thomas and Kyrou develop and then add them in and become even better.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

I think this is the first time in a while I've been truly content. I haven't been thinking about adding anyone else since our roster looks great.

If the team added an experienced 4th liner or something I wouldn't complain, but we have no real needs. We're set. so all that's left is just see how Thomas and Kyrou develop and then add them in and become even better.

Exactly how i feel. I love the balanced roster we ended up with. It really re-opens and extends our window with our great mix of Core players, Vets and ELCs.

 

[Stealth JD]

With Bobrovsky not likely to re-resign in Columbus, would Jarmo entertain Jake Allen as his starting goalie? They have familiarity with one another and might be a viable solution should the teams start talking. I'm not sure that Army would entertain acquiring a Vezina-winning goalie that is looking to get paid...but with Tarasenko, Soshnikov, Barbashev (and Kostin and Torop in the system), maybe STL isn't such a bad spot for Russian NHL'ers. Don't know that Stillman would have the stomach for it after the Ryan Miller debacle...but it's no scarier than not replacing Allen and leaving this season's fortunes to his peaks & valleys.

Cost of a rental Bob would be significant though and the Blues are already without a 1st rounder once again. Jarmo would certainly target Thomas...so it's unlikely anything could be reached. Ideally you'd expand it to include Panarin...but then the cost becomes astronomical and you can't keep everyone long-term under the salary cap, so any deal with Columbus would likely be an either/or proposition between Breadman and Bobrovsky. I'd think Stillman & Army would have to investigate to see if either were a real possibility...but given the choice of the two, I think Bobrovsky would be the focus knowing the Blues' needs.

 

[Zamadoo]

With Bobrovsky not likely to re-resign in Columbus, would Jarmo entertain Jake Allen as his starting goalie? They have familiarity with one another and might be a viable solution should the teams start talking. I'm not sure that Army would entertain acquiring a Vezina-winning goalie that is looking to get paid...but with Tarasenko, Soshnikov, Barbashev (and Kostin and Torop in the system), maybe STL isn't such a bad spot for Russian NHL'ers. Don't know that Stillman would have the stomach for it after the Ryan Miller debacle...but it's no scarier than not replacing Flake Allen and leaving this season's fortunes to his peaks & valleys.

Cost of a rental Bob would be significant though and the Blues are already without a 1st rounder once again. Jarmo would certainly target Thomas...so it's unlikely anything could be reached. Ideally you'd expand it to include Panarin...but then the cost becomes astronomical and you can't keep everyone long-term under the salary cap, so any deal with Columbus would likely be an either/or proposition between Breadman and Bobrovsky. I'd think Stillman & Army would have to investigate to see if either were a real possibility...but given the choice of the two, I think Bobrovsky would be the focus knowing the Blues' needs.

Allen for Bobrovsky would be welcomed by me, but I don't think the add would be that high. I think the plan is to let Husso get as many starts in San Antonio as possible, as well as some NHL games this season. Next season Husso will probably get a 1-2 year bridge deal between $1-2mil, then hopefully he is the starter after that deal and is extended like Allen was. That is how I see management having good goaltending while keeping the cap low (not spending $10mil on Bobrovsky as UFA) so that the cap space can be spent on raises and keeping our guys.

 

[Chojin]

Friedman still pushing Parayko availability on his podcast. Says wanted to ship out Berglund and Sobotka as part of culture change and wonders whether Parayko is part of it. Also says with Petro extension coming next year perhaps is issue of $ on right side. I still don't see us moving him.

That's now how understood it. I think he was saying that Berglund and Sobotka were moved out partially for culture reasons, but Parayko would only be moved out because we might not want to commit a ton of money to the right defense. He brought the two up in close proximity, which is why it was confusing.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm also not that worried about a Petro extension. I think he'll end up much closer to a OEL deal than what Doughty and Karlsson will go for. Petro just hasn't accomplished what some of the others have.

 

[MissouriMook]

I'm also not that worried about a Petro extension. I think he'll end up much closer to a OEL deal than what Doughty and Karlsson will go for. Petro just hasn't accomplished what some of the others have.

Agreed. Unless we win a Cup or he wins a Norris in the next two years I think we're looking at $8M-$9M. I'd really like to see him take an 8 x $8M to allow us more room to keep others. There wasn't anything in his comments in Korac's article regarding Tavares "going home" to suggest we might have the same worry with him.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Agreed. Unless we win a Cup or he wins a Norris in the next two years I think we're looking at $8M-$9M. I'd really like to see him take an 8 x $8M to allow us more room to keep others. There wasn't anything in his comments in Korac's article regarding Tavares "going home" to suggest we might have the same worry with him.

I could see him testing and leaving in free agency, but Army will just have to make that decision and possibly move him if need be. I think he'll stay with all the talent here. It is another reason why moving Parayko makes no sense. What if you trade him and Petro gets 10+ million on the open market.

 

[DatDude44]

Short answer: No.


Long Answer:
I’d offer Kostin instead.
Stone would be an excellent Steen replacement.

I don’t disagree with your reaction to moving kyrou for him..... but Stone is wayyyy better than you perceive him in comparison to steen. Stone is closer to a winger version of ROR with more goal scoring ability.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don’t disagree with your reaction to moving kyrou for him..... but Stone is wayyyy better than you perceive him in comparison to steen. Stone is closer to a winger version of ROR with more goal scoring ability.

I think he meant Stone would be a great replacement to a prime Steen, which would be correct.

 

[DatDude44]

I think he meant Stone would be a great replacement to a prime Steen, which would be correct.

That makes a lot more sense, tho I still think stones talent and offensive ability is a solid amount above prime steens.

I really like stone and think he’s extremely underrated/appreciated outside of Ottawa

 

[bleedblue1223]

That makes a lot more sense, tho I still think stones talent and offensive ability is a solid amount above prime steens.

I really like stone and think he’s extremely underrated/appreciated outside of Ottawa

If he does what he did last year over a full season, then yes, otherwise, he's a top-notch defensive forward good for 65 points. Stone last season was similar to Steen in 13/14, so we'll have to see if he keeps it up or if he was playing a bit above himself.

 

[DatDude44]

If he does what he did last year over a full season, then yes, otherwise, he's a top-notch defensive forward good for 65 points. Stone last season was similar to Steen in 13/14, so we'll have to see if he keeps it up or if he was playing a bit above himself.

Top notch 65 point defensive forward is literally ROR haha. Well atleast if ROR played with any decent linemates. Steen for me despite 13-14 falls very close but a tier below albeit at the top of that lower tier.

Can’t forget how many points he put up just teeing off one-T’s on our old PP lmao.

Just reading this convo......I hate how bored we are that this is what we discuss. IS IT OCTOBER YET

 

[bleedblue1223]

Top notch 65 point defensive forward is literally ROR haha. Well atleast if ROR played with any decent linemates. Steen for me despite 13-14 falls very close but a tier below albeit at the top of that lower tier.

Can’t forget how many points he put up just teeing off one-T’s on our old PP lmao.

I'm not disputing that, just saying that was prime Steen. ROR is a center, Steen is a winger, Stone is more like Steen just less of a goal-scorer.

 

[DatDude44]

I'm not disputing that, just saying that was prime Steen. ROR is a center, Steen is a winger, Stone is more like Steen just less of a goal-scorer.

Agreed.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Stone doesn’t go underrated by me - I watched Ottawa a lot last year.

Stone would be an excellent grab, but I don’t think he’s as gamebreaking as I think Kyrou can be. Although there aren’t many players that I would trade Kyrou for - but Stone would be one I could live with if it were to go down. I wouldn’t initiate it myself, though - especially with Stone, Panarin, and more likely testing FA next year.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Agreed. Unless we win a Cup or he wins a Norris in the next two years I think we're looking at $8M-$9M. I'd really like to see him take an 8 x $8M to allow us more room to keep others. There wasn't anything in his comments in Korac's article regarding Tavares "going home" to suggest we might have the same worry with him.

He almost sounded like that would be the last place he'd want to go. Unless he was portraying so to make sure people knew that he tried to get JT to come here. Regardless, I don't see Petro moving on. Especially with the group we have locked for 3-4 years.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Part II is up.