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Two years of Lehtera cap dump cost us a first.
Blues Trade Proposals 2018-2019 - Part VII
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Two years of Lehtera cap dump cost us a first.
30 or more games played look where Allen rank. Its quite worrisome.
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...r=gamesPlayed,gte,30&sort=goalsAgainstAverage
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...ype=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,30&sort=savePctg
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...r=gamesPlayed,gte,30&sort=goalsAgainstAverage
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...ype=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,30&sort=savePctg
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LetsGoBooze
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The value was prolly more along the lines of: 1.5 1sts for Schenn and 0.5 1sts for cap dump.
Brockon
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My personal preference runs to keeping Allen another year, as the backup to Binnington from day 1, and seeing if there's a market for him next summer with 1 year left on his contract.
Allen's play in the backup role has been respectable - I'd think he continues to post decent numbers next year and may hold limited value in trades as opposed to the negative value he has right now.
Allen's play in the backup role has been respectable - I'd think he continues to post decent numbers next year and may hold limited value in trades as opposed to the negative value he has right now.
I have previously said that Allen needs to be moved in the summer, but my position on that has relaxed.
If the opportunity arises to move him? Take it as fast as possible, but don't retain/pay to make it happen.
My worry about keeping Allen centred around an expectation that we'll push him into the #1 role again, sooner or later. Binnington starting game 4, despite a rough game 3 and Allen playing well down the stretch, has eased that fear.
The other concern was having an inexperienced goalie and Allen as the goalies next season could result in what we seen at the start of this season. The more I see of Binnington, the less of a concern that is. He appears to have the mentality to be able to handle adversity.
If the opportunity arises to move him? Take it as fast as possible, but don't retain/pay to make it happen.
My worry about keeping Allen centred around an expectation that we'll push him into the #1 role again, sooner or later. Binnington starting game 4, despite a rough game 3 and Allen playing well down the stretch, has eased that fear.
The other concern was having an inexperienced goalie and Allen as the goalies next season could result in what we seen at the start of this season. The more I see of Binnington, the less of a concern that is. He appears to have the mentality to be able to handle adversity.
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Vincenzo Arelliti
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A Binnington-Husso tandem would be like when two psychotic killers team up for a cross-over movie.
I’m not bothered by Allen’s contract. Period. The luxury of having Binnington means the Blues can pay Allen the last 2 years even if he functions purely as a back-up. He has good numbers for an NHL back-up.
Binnington needs a seasoned back-up. Allen is a great fit there. Just squint and pretend their salaries are swapped and you don’t have to worry about it anymore (including the projected RFA contract for Binnington’s next 2 years).
I’m shocked there are people here who think the Blues in the middle of their competitive window (right now) should take on such a dead weight contract as Neal. It’s an albatross. Where do you even play him? The player drafted with that first likely won’t even contribute with this window! It’s a move that is out of tempo with the way this team is built.
Binnington needs a seasoned back-up. Allen is a great fit there. Just squint and pretend their salaries are swapped and you don’t have to worry about it anymore (including the projected RFA contract for Binnington’s next 2 years).
I’m shocked there are people here who think the Blues in the middle of their competitive window (right now) should take on such a dead weight contract as Neal. It’s an albatross. Where do you even play him? The player drafted with that first likely won’t even contribute with this window! It’s a move that is out of tempo with the way this team is built.
Husso has more to do to prove he could be an NHL goalie next year than Allen does. A LOT more. Or be an NHL goalie ever.
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I just wonder what they talk about. I just imagine them sitting silently at the dinner table, staring at their food without blinking.
It would look like something out of a Hitchcock movie.
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Im am perfectly fine keeping Allen for the remainder of his contract as long as he is the backup. He is a great backup.
I see your points. I was just tempted by the idea of getting back into the 1st round. I agree trading for Neal would be a bad idea.
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With Binny, it definitely helps everyone's confidence to have Allen backing him up. I mean, Allen can't keep the job to save his life, so Binnington should feel even more secure than he does normally.
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I wonder what we’d have to give up to get a Fowler+Rakell package from Anaheim.
They both had down years by their standards, but we need to improve our LD and we need a RHS goal scorer for our PP badly.
Would Schenn+Edmundson+Blais/Sanford+pick work?
Perron-O’Reilly-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Thomas-Rakell
Fabbri-Bozak-Kyrou
Steen-Barbashev-Sundqvist
Fowler-Pietrangelo
Bouwmeester-Parayko
Dunn-Bortuzzo
Reinke/Del Zotto?
Binnington
Allen/TBA
They both had down years by their standards, but we need to improve our LD and we need a RHS goal scorer for our PP badly.
Would Schenn+Edmundson+Blais/Sanford+pick work?
Perron-O’Reilly-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Thomas-Rakell
Fabbri-Bozak-Kyrou
Steen-Barbashev-Sundqvist
Fowler-Pietrangelo
Bouwmeester-Parayko
Dunn-Bortuzzo
Reinke/Del Zotto?
Binnington
Allen/TBA
mw2noobbuster
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I would do that in an instance. Rakell is a great player and Fowler would be an amazing partner for Pietro.
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Why would Anaheim do that? Schenn is clearly the best piece but Rakell is arguably more valuable or at least a push. Rakell is younger and has 3 more years at $3.79M. Schenn has 1 year @ $5.125. He'd need to have an agreed upon extension in place, but that would be at least $6-7M range. Rakell's down year, he still had 50+ point pace. The last 3 years Rakell put up 163 points in 217 games for a .751 P/gm pace vs Schenn with 179 points over 233 games for a .768 pace. Basically Schenn is a little more durable and a puts up a very slightly better p/gm pace (1.4 points over 82 games). But Rakell is more of a goal scorer. He has 15 more goals over that span, with the lesser games played. So younger, cheaper, better goal scorer and more term probably gives him more value.
Fowler is clearly better than Edmundson who is coming off of a terrible year. Even if we go with last year's Eddy, Fowler is clearly better. Fowler is more expensive, but he has plenty of term and is signed for a decent value contract given that is is a good top pair #2D man vs Eddy who is a fine 2nd pairing guy when on his game.
So we push one roster player and win big on the other. We don't have a first this year. I doubt we want to trade our first next year. Does Blais/Sanford and a 2nd really make up that difference? Neither Blais or Sanford can continually crack our lineup and they aren't super young @23 and 24 entering next year. Why does Anaheim downgrade at D for a couple long shots? They no longer have the great depth at D, they have had as they traded a few pieces. Its all guys with less than 50 NHL games after Lindholm, Fowler and Montour. Why get older in your top 6, when they should be rebuilding/retooling?
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We'll only be able to protect three defensemen at the expansion draft so unless we plan on letting Petro walk that doesn't really make sense. Also don't think Schenn would want to sign an extension in Anaheim before ever playing there.
I doubt they'd move Rakell, but I've said that about Montour and they shipped him out. I think the rub would be Schenn would need to be re-signed, and he's gonna warrant some sizeable money. And he's kind of an oddly aged player for them to grab. Wouldn't they rather have a cheaper, younger player in Rakell? Because they're a little up against the cap with Perry and Getz contracts and Silf re-signed. Fowler I don't think is anything special, but they'd want something better than Eddy who is playing like a 7th D and one of our interchangable 4th liners. I think the add in that deal, unless Schenn takes a below-market contract, is a 1st. And as much as I'd love to upgrade D, we need to stop dealing 1sts eventually. The cupboard is already pretty bare. I just don't think we're good partners for them. They could easily get better offers from other teams. I'd still love to deal Schenn to Boston for one of their young LD.
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