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Barclay Donaldson

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Makes some sense. The Blues don't want to have to go through the trouble of owning their AHL team and the only other open option in the Wolves wasn't going to happen given their checkered past together.
 

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Centrum Hockey said:
It still seems odd to think Charlotte and Carolina will part ways. The only reason that would sort of make sense is their was a disconnect between Michael Kahn and Tom Dundon.
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You mean like I said weeks ago and was told by tarheel i didnt know what I was talking about?
 
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I can't see Carolina being happy in Chicago for very long. They have an emphasis on developing talent which contradicts the Chicago mentality....
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No it doesn't and no they don't.Maybe in the past but now they want to develop AND win.But please let's not let that interupt the same old tired stale diatribe
 
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Kind of strange to see the Blues go all the way to Springfield, while the AHL tries to keep moving further west where the Blues have had their AHL teams for a long time. A lot of long trips and less accessability.
 
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Kind of strange to see the Blues go all the way to Springfield, while the AHL tries to keep moving further west where the Blues have had their AHL teams for a long time. A lot of long trips and less accessability.
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Springfield has a lot of local division opponents besides Charlotte they don’t usually travel farther than PA it allows for more practice Time in Springfield Printable PDF Schedule | Springfield Thunderbirds
 
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Centrum Hockey said:
Springfield has a lot of local practice time besides Charlotte they don’t usually travel farther than PA
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I'm talking long trips to and from St. Louis, especially if they're on the road somewhere.

Charlotte has always seemed to be miscast in their spot in the league without many regional partners.
 
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GKJ said:
I'm talking long trips to and from St. Louis, especially if they're on the road somewhere.

Charlotte has always seemed to be miscast in their spot in the league without many regional partners.
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Works for florida better than springfield will/would as far as proximity goes.
 
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GKJ said:
Kind of strange to see the Blues go all the way to Springfield, while the AHL tries to keep moving further west where the Blues have had their AHL teams for a long time. A lot of long trips and less accessability.
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They had 3 options:
  1. try and buy an AHL franchise from one of the few independently-owned teams left, which Vegas showed is easier said than done and St. Louis has showed they really aren't interested in.
  2. Affiliate with the only open affiliate in the Chicago Wolves.
  3. Try and convince one of the few NHL teams affiliated with independently-owned AHL teams to leave their AHL team and affiliate with Chicago.
1 was unlikely to happen given that St. Louis had actively tried to get Indianapolis and then Kansas City to pay their way into becoming their AHL affiliate rather than do what most other teams have done and do it themselves. 2 was never going to happen given Chicago's style as well as the past between the two teams. 3 was the only real option. Call-up times from San Antonio to St. Louis weren't much shorter than what call-up times from Springfield to St. Louis will be, so that's a wash. Springfield also is a short- to medium-length bus trip from every single conference games save for Charlotte. San Antonio didn't offer anything near that. That's a lot more time for their prospects on the ice, in the gym, and sleeping in their own beds.
 
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Barclay Donaldson said:
They had 3 options:
  1. try and buy an AHL franchise from one of the few independently-owned teams left, which Vegas showed is easier said than done and St. Louis has showed they really aren't interested in.
  2. Affiliate with the only open affiliate in the Chicago Wolves.
  3. Try and convince one of the few NHL teams affiliated with independently-owned AHL teams to leave their AHL team and affiliate with Chicago.
1 was unlikely to happen given that St. Louis had actively tried to get Indianapolis and then Kansas City to pay their way into becoming their AHL affiliate rather than do what most other teams have done and do it themselves. 2 was never going to happen given Chicago's style as well as the past between the two teams. 3 was the only real option. Call-up times from San Antonio to St. Louis weren't much shorter than what call-up times from Springfield to St. Louis will be, so that's a wash. Springfield also is a short- to medium-length bus trip from every single conference games save for Charlotte. San Antonio didn't offer anything near that. That's a lot more time for their prospects on the ice, in the gym, and sleeping in their own beds.
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You forgot option 4. Buy an AHL team from an NHL team. Also, that whole lie about winning not being important, facts be facts. Knights affiliated with Wolves, go to Finals, Blues win cup. Milwaukee always winning - Nashville always winning. Checkers started winning, Canes started winning. Norfolk won, Tampa Bay started winning.
 
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Tommy Hawk said:
You forgot option 4. Buy an AHL team from an NHL team. Also, that whole lie about winning not being important, facts be facts. Knights affiliated with Wolves, go to Finals, Blues win cup. Milwaukee always winning - Nashville always winning. Checkers started winning, Canes started winning. Norfolk won, Tampa Bay started winning.
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No NHL team is willing to sell their AHL team. That's not really a realistic option.

Correlation is not causation. Chicago Blackhawks won 3 cups from 2010-15. Rockford IceHogs only made playoffs twice during that time period. 2010-2013 had 2 Stanley Cup Final appearances for the Bruins and were one of the most dominant teams in the league, Providence Bruins didn't even make playoffs in that time period. The Wolf Pack certainly weren't winning much save for one good season when the Rangers were Cup contenders for early to mid-2010s. The Albany River Rats were outright horrible for most of the time the Devils were one of the top teams in the league around the turn of the century.
 

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Tommy Hawk said:
You forgot option 4. Buy an AHL team from an NHL team. Also, that whole lie about winning not being important, facts be facts. Knights affiliated with Wolves, go to Finals, Blues win cup. Milwaukee always winning - Nashville always winning. Checkers started winning, Canes started winning. Norfolk won, Tampa Bay started winning.
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nope, how did Charlotte join the league, tommy, they bought the license from CDS, an independent, it has always been that MO, WHY Did the Devils bolt Albany and 'trade' the affiliation in essence to Carolina, then that stipulation as to why all Devils affiliates at the AHL Level were forced to adopt the Devils moniker rather than an independent name
 
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GKJ said:
Kind of strange to see the Blues go all the way to Springfield, while the AHL tries to keep moving further west where the Blues have had their AHL teams for a long time. A lot of long trips and less accessability.
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Let's remember Vancouver still has Utica as their affiliate, and the travel issues of going from the Mohawk Valley to British Columbia. Yet they get that to work.
 

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Let's remember Vancouver still has Utica as their affiliate, and the travel issues of going from the Mohawk Valley to British Columbia. Yet they get that to work.
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except, there have been no issues with Vancouver and Utica, either, like you're seeing elsewhere, why did the Blues change their operation away from the standard owner/operator model, that's been prevalent the last 7 years, JD.
 
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It's amazing to me how one AHL team in Chicago has created this scramble for new team affiliation.
 
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GrGriffins said:
It was the Vegas Golden Knights who decided they wanted their own AHL affiliate that started this merry-go-round, not the Chicago Wolves.
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Yes and no and no and yes. Vegas wanted their own AHL affiliate because they wanted to direct control over the roster of their AHL affiliate so they could monitor development of prospects. The Wolves have a known history of not using prospects of affiliates as often as the NHL team would like, so Vegas split and bought the San Antonio Rampage.
 
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GrGriffins said:
It was the Vegas Golden Knights who decided they wanted their own AHL affiliate that started this merry-go-round, not the Chicago Wolves.
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Not the first time - and probably not the last time - VGK will rewrite the script for the NHL in the League's 2nd century.
 
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