Blues Discussion Thread 2018-2019 - Part VI

[EastonBlues22]

Part V

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[Halak Ness Monster]

This team has been a lot of fun to watch in 2019.

I can't wait for the next game! Even if it is on the road vs. the best team in the league with Allen probably in net. We're playing so much better that we have a chance in any game. Plus we've done well against good teams this year.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I don’t know if I have selective sight. But Colton Parayko has been an absolute monster defensively this year. I really cannot remember a single time he was actually beat 1 on 1 whether or not it was during him recovering or him facing the puck carrier. He’s also saved about 5 goals by my count on the goal line (at least 3 I can distinctly remember.

If he was a little better of a puck mover from the blue line in the o zone we are looking at an absolute monster.

 

[Dbrownss]

I don’t know if I have selective sight. But Colton Parayko has been an absolute monster defensively this year. I really cannot remember a single time he was actually beat 1 on 1 whether or not it was during him recovering or him facing the puck carrier. He’s also saved about 5 goals by my count on the goal line (at least 3 I can distinctly remember.

If he was a little better of a puck mover from the blue line in the o zone we are looking at an absolute monster.

Oh he's lost some puck battles earlier in the year. Prior to the ASG he lost a battle to Toffoli who got the puck to some guy who set up a goal.

He's been good though and outstanding as of late.

Still wish he would impose his will on guys in board battles though

 

[BleedBlue14]

Oh he's lost some puck battles earlier in the year. Prior to the ASG he lost a battle to Toffoli who got the puck to some guy who set up a goal.

He's been good though and outstanding as of late.

Still wish he would impose his will on guys in board battles though

I remember that puck battle you’re talking about. Crazy thing is, he had him pinned on the board. Toffili made a great play to somehow kick it right to somebody. And the somehow we had four other guys staring at the second man and whoever was on the back side. Maybe Kempe? Was completely left open in the slot while. 3 if not 4 blues players were more or less caught flat footed puck watching

Regardless though, its pretty crazy that a few lost puck battles is the only real gaffe that we can actually point at and say he probably could’ve done better there.

I do remember a bit at the beginning of the year where he wasn’t playing his best but it’s hard to look through many games this year and say he hasn’t been our best defenseman.

 

[Dbrownss]

I remember that puck battle you’re talking about. Crazy thing is, he had him pinned on the board. Toffili made a great play to somehow kick it right to somebody. And the somehow we had four other guys staring at the second man and whoever was on the back side. Maybe Kempe? Was completely left open in the slot while. 3 if not 4 blues players were more or less caught flat footed puck watching

Regardless though, its pretty crazy that a few lost puck battles is the only real gaffe that we can actually point at and say he probably could’ve done better there.

I do remember a bit at the beginning of the year where he wasn’t playing his best but it’s hard to look through many games this year and say he hasn’t been our best defenseman.

I wouldnt disagree with that. He's done a 180 from the beginning of the season. I still remember some fans were ready to ship him off before he lost all value.

I'm happy with his play though on the Toffoli play, I'd prefer if he ended up on his ass. I'd make Parayko study guys like Weber.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I wouldnt disagree with that. He's done a 180 from the beginning of the season. I still remember some fans were ready to ship him off before he lost all value.

I'm happy with his play though on the Toffoli play, I'd prefer if he ended up on his ass. I'd make Parayko study guys like Weber.

I went and actually watched the condensed game. It was Leipsic to Ladue. Honestly Colt played it pretty well.

Here’s the link here:

It’s at the 4 minute mark maybe 3:55

EDIT: Also just realized that Pietro was on the ice for all 4 goals against (May be wrong in the Barbashev gaffe). I will say though there was a sequence right before the Toffili play in which Colt May have misplayed a bit and the Kings hit the post. He actually did play Toffili pretty physical there. I think he tried at first and maybe didn’t fully catch him on the pin which did allow Toffolli a little bit of space to work back down.

 

[BlueDream]

We technically hold the 8th spot considering we have 3 games in hand on VAN.

At least this team is finally interesting to watch. And us and the Wild are the best teams on paper when it comes to all the teams battling for these final 2 spots, so I think we will both get in. Everyone else is imploding.

 

[David Dennison]

I remember that puck battle you’re talking about. Crazy thing is, he had him pinned on the board. Toffili made a great play to somehow kick it right to somebody. And the somehow we had four other guys staring at the second man and whoever was on the back side. Maybe Kempe? Was completely left open in the slot while. 3 if not 4 blues players were more or less caught flat footed puck watching

Regardless though, its pretty crazy that a few lost puck battles is the only real gaffe that we can actually point at and say he probably could’ve done better there.

I do remember a bit at the beginning of the year where he wasn’t playing his best but it’s hard to look through many games this year and say he hasn’t been our best defenseman.

Definitely, and especially with young defensemen, I think that we as fans put too much emphasis on obvious bad plays like that one (especially when they end up in a goal) and not enough on the other 20+ minutes a game that they play.

We ran Cole out of town because of it, and I know I have been this way with Edmundson and Dunn.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

I wouldnt disagree with that. He's done a 180 from the beginning of the season. I still remember some fans were ready to ship him off before he lost all value.

I'm happy with his play though on the Toffoli play, I'd prefer if he ended up on his ass. I'd make Parayko study guys like Weber.

Just make him watch a gif with him manhandling Tkachuk earlier this season for a few hours straight.

 

[Blueston]

I don’t know if I have selective sight. But Colton Parayko has been an absolute monster defensively this year. I really cannot remember a single time he was actually beat 1 on 1 whether or not it was during him recovering or him facing the puck carrier. He’s also saved about 5 goals by my count on the goal line (at least 3 I can distinctly remember.

If he was a little better of a puck mover from the blue line in the o zone we are looking at an absolute monster.

Agreed. His transition game/breakout passing needs to improve too. He fixes those (and seems to be confidence issue and him being tentative) sky is limit.

 

[Dbrownss]

Definitely, and especially with young defensemen, I think that we as fans put too much emphasis on obvious bad plays like that one (especially when they end up in a goal) and not enough on the other 20+ minutes a game that they play.

We ran Cole out of town because of it, and I know I have been this way with Edmundson and Dunn.

It's to be expected though. It's like we say with defensemen. If you're not talking about them, that's not a bad thing. Their mistakes are magnified because it can directly lead to a goal against, so it's a red flag. Solid defense goes unnoticed because usually its little plays.

I dont think its wrong to point out mistakes as long as it's in context and not a "oh they sucks" because of the mistake. Take the critisism of Petro for instance. He has a high bar due to the caliber of dman he is....and the mistakes he's making are just bad. Last night after the Dunn goal....he just watched a puck go past him and it almost ended up in the net....that was a wtf moment. As some posters have said, you have to take everything into account. So I watched the Columbus game again and Seth Jones got schooled several times......it happens to all dmen

 

[Halak Ness Monster]

I dont think its wrong to point out mistakes as long as it's in context and not a "oh they sucks" because of the mistake. Take the critisism of Petro for instance. He has a high bar due to the caliber of dman he is....and the mistakes he's making are just bad. Last night after the Dunn goal....he just watched a puck go past him and it almost ended up in the net....that was a wtf moment. As some posters have said, you have to take everything into account. So I watched the Columbus game again and Seth Jones got schooled several times......it happens to all dmen

Bingo. Guys like Petro and Jones play 24-25 min a night and a lot of those are against the best forwards in the world. They're gonna look terrible from time to time. It happens to all D-men.

 

[BleedBlue14]

It's to be expected though. It's like we say with defensemen. If you're not talking about them, that's not a bad thing. Their mistakes are magnified because it can directly lead to a goal against, so it's a red flag. Solid defense goes unnoticed because usually its little plays.

I dont think its wrong to point out mistakes as long as it's in context and not a "oh they sucks" because of the mistake. Take the critisism of Petro for instance. He has a high bar due to the caliber of dman he is....and the mistakes he's making are just bad. Last night after the Dunn goal....he just watched a puck go past him and it almost ended up in the net....that was a wtf moment. As some posters have said, you have to take everything into account. So I watched the Columbus game again and Seth Jones got schooled several times......it happens to all dmen

Something I’ve noticed this year is that a high percentage of Pietrangelos mistakes are leading to immediate goals.

Take that for what you want, but it seems as if although he hasn’t been good, his mistakes are magnified due to bad luck.

Also on a side note, did anybody see how drunk Gunnar looked last night on the ice? That was by far one of his worst games of the year

 

[Chojin]

Doesn't feel like we're going to be a seller at the deadline this year, what with all the pressure to make the playoffs. I don't think we were going to get much for our UFA's anyway.

 

[Alklha]

Doesn't feel like we're going to be a seller at the deadline this year, what with all the pressure to make the playoffs. I don't think we were going to get much for our UFA's anyway.

Bouwmeester and Gunnarsson would both get a decent return, but we aren't going to be looking to move them.

It's going to be interesting to see how the next few weeks plays out and if the West begins to separate a bit. If there are still 14 teams in the race, which is unlikely, then it will be a sellers market just because there will be so few sellers.

 

[Dbrownss]

I'll take the playoff push over a couple mid picks.

 

[Evocable Manager]

I'll take the playoff push over a couple mid picks.

Does keeping one of Bouwmeester or Gunnarsson or both really change the fate of this season? I mean if a good enough offer comes along, does making that move even make much of a difference?

Moreover, why is Maroon and/or Machachern (I mispelled that) playing over Fabbri? I'd rather see Fabbri acclimate his game to the level it once was than see Maroon drag everyone down.

 

[Brian39]

Does keeping one of Bouwmeester or Gunnarsson or both really change the fate of this season?

Moreover, why is Maroon and/or Machachern (I mispelled that) playing over Fabbri? I'd rather see Fabbri acclimate his game to the level it once was than see Maroon drag everyone down.

Bouwmeester has been our best LHD for 2 months. Not best at his role, not best defensively, but he has been our overall best LHD since the start of December. He's logging 2 minutes more per night than any other LHD, is getting the least sheltered minutes of that group and has excelled in that role. He has 8 points in that stretch, compared to 13 for Dunn and zero for Ed. He is playing like a true top 4 D man and that turnaround in play is a big reason the D as a group have turned it around as a whole. Trading him would greatly impact the fate of this season.

Gunnar has been less important, but has also been playing very well. Since returning from injury at the beginning of January, he has 7 points in 11 games (on the back of an unsustainable S%), is a +9 in that stretch and is driving possession pretty well. I don't think he has been as important to the turnaround of the team D as Bouw, but he has been important. He's been a big part of the PK and has been adequate in the top 4 while Ed has struggled. Even if Ed finds his game and pushes Gunnar back to a pure 3rd pairing role, Gunnar is a better 3rd pairing guy than the options behind him.

Losing either (and especially both) absolutely makes the D worse and impacts the fate of the season. Their internal replacements are downgrades. This is not to say we should be rushing to extend them, but we shouldn't be looking to move them unless some team is willing to badly overpay.

 

[STLegend]

Does keeping one of Bouwmeester or Gunnarsson or both really change the fate of this season? I mean if a good enough offer comes along, does making that move even make much of a difference?

Moreover, why is Maroon and/or Machachern (I mispelled that) playing over Fabbri? I'd rather see Fabbri acclimate his game to the level it once was than see Maroon drag everyone down.

Agreed on Maroon, get Fabbri in there, Maroon's game doesn't really compliment anyone else on the roster. MacMac has been fast and feisty however, something Fabbri used to be but hasn't been since returning.

I completely disagree on Bouw and Gunn though, they have both been playing great as of late and who replaces them on the left side? Butler? Schmaltz on his offside? No thanks.

 

[JoshFromMO]

This means he's pretty decent right?

 

[Majorityof1]

This means he's pretty decent right?

Or that he is HEAVILY sheltered. It does not take into account zone starts, or quality of Competition. It also means that 56 minutes do not make very good sample size. There is not even a full 60 minutes of sample for the per 60 minutes stats. He has a 83.33% O-zone start rate. Next highest are Fabbri and Thomas at 68ish percent.

Don't get me wrong, he has been fine in his limited sample, but those numbers are such outliers for a reasons besides his performance.

 

[JoshFromMO]

Or that he is HEAVILY sheltered. It does not take into account zone starts, or quality of Competition. It also means that 56 minutes do not make very good sample size. There is not even a full 60 minutes of sample for the per 60 minutes stats. He has a 83.33% O-zone start rate. Next highest are Fabbri and Thomas at 68ish percent.

Don't get me wrong, he has been fine in his limited sample, but those numbers are such outliers for a reasons besides his performance.

Thank you for clarifying because I just he's in the "good" box and was really hoping somebody could give some context because I notice him maybe 2 minutes if that a game

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Does keeping one of Bouwmeester or Gunnarsson or both really change the fate of this season?

Yes.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Or that he is HEAVILY sheltered. It does not take into account zone starts, or quality of Competition. It also means that 56 minutes do not make very good sample size. There is not even a full 60 minutes of sample for the per 60 minutes stats. He has a 83.33% O-zone start rate. Next highest are Fabbri and Thomas at 68ish percent.

Don't get me wrong, he has been fine in his limited sample, but those numbers are such outliers for a reasons besides his performance.

Its that idiot Berube trying to use MacEachern as an offensive specialist. Or maybe he's just sheltered as you say. Still, he's making the most out of his little chance. He probably still loses his spot when Perron gets back.