Blake Wheeler

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  1. firefighter7796

    firefighter7796 Registered User

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    How good will this kid be in the NHL?
     
  2. DevilFisch

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    "Ask Again Later" says my Magic 8-Ball.

    But seriously, he's still in high school. While he's got size and hockey sense, whether he has the ability to take it to the next level remains to be seen.
     
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    Odds are he'll be a bust. He's a high risk, high reward pick.
     
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    I don't see a high reward pick considering many people where considering that he would be picked in the second round.
     
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    Can't 2nd rounders be high reward picks?
     
  6. NYI

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    Forsburg was rated roughly 25th(by hockey news) when the flyers took him 6th overall in the 91 draft
     
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    Phoenix took a real risk with the kid.

    If you prefer comparisons:

    Wheeler: RW, 5th pick with Breck(USHSW) 30= 45+55=100 and 34pim, 6'3 or 6'4 - 185
    Anderson:D,101st pick w/Centennial(USHSW) 30= 29+56= 85 and 34pim,5'11 or 6'0-
    180

    Difference: Height only? A Defenceman who make 85 points in 30 games has for sure hockey sense.

    There's a lot of players doing a lot of points in the USHSW league, so offence is not a criteria to choose a player so fast. I know that this guy has potential to become a good player, but i'm not sold to him.

    Personally, I think that Wheeler has been draft, really, too early.

    The years he will spend at the University will tell us how good he is...not before.
     
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    Phoneix obviously saw something in him, and probably thought that if they traded down he would be taken.
     
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    I'm sure he wouldn't have been a top ten pick. There was many better player then him at the draft...
     
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    Guess we'll find out in 5 years. Coyotes probably took him so they didn't have to pay him for a longer time than a prospect that was rated higher and closer to being NHL ready.
     
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    Then why did Phoneix take him at 5? That pick could have fetched a 2nd rounder or late 1st rounder and a mid teens pick easily.

    Phoneix either is really, really high on this guy, or they thought someone would pick him early.
     
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    That's your opinion and it's an evidence that you love Wheeler, but this doesn't mean that "Phoneix" as you wrote made a good thing drafting Wheeler so fast.

    Also, Phoenix' draft are bad, except Esche in 1996, Leneveu in2002, see by yourself:

    1996
    11 D Dan Focht
    24 C Daniel Briere
    62 D Per-Anton Lundstrom
    119 D Richard Lintner
    139 G Robert Esche
    174 C Trevor Letowski
    200 R Nick Lent
    226 C Marc-Etienne Hubert

    1997
    43 D Juha Gustafsson
    96 D Scott McCallum
    123 D Curtis Suter
    151 L Robert Francz
    207 D Alex Andreyev
    233 C Wyatt Smith

    1998
    14 G Patrick DesRochers
    43 D Ossi Vaananen
    73 C Pat O'Leary
    100 D Ryan Van Buskirk
    115 D Jay Leach
    116 G Josh Blackburn
    129 D Robert Schnabel
    160 C Rickard Wallin
    187 C Erik Westrum
    214 C Justin Hansen

    1999
    15 C Scott Kelman
    19 D Kirill Safronov
    53 C Brad Ralph
    71 C Jason Jaspers
    116 C Ryan Lauzon
    123 C Preston Mizzi
    168 Erik Lewerstrom
    234 D Goran Bezina
    262 D Alexei Litvinenko

    2000
    19 C Krys Kolanos
    53 Alexander Tatarinov
    85 L Ramzi Abid
    160 D Nate Kiser
    186 R Brent Gauvreau
    217 Igor Samoylov
    249 R Sami Venalainen
    281 C Peter Fabus

    2001
    11 R Fredrik Sjostrom
    31 D Matthew Spiller
    45 C Martin Podlesak
    78 Beat Forster
    148 F David Klema
    180 R Scott Polaski
    210 G Steve Belanger
    243 W Frank Lukes
    273 Severin Blindenbacher

    2002
    19 C Jakub Koreis
    23 L Ben Eager
    46 G David LeNeveu
    70 Joe Callahan
    80 D Matt Jones
    97 R Lance Monych
    132 John Zeiler
    186 G Jeff Pietrasiak
    216 L Ladislav Kouba
    249 D Marcus Smith
    280 L Russell Spence

    2003
    77 C Tyler Redenbach
    80 Dmitry Pestunov
    115 Liam Lindstrom
    178 R Ryan Gibbons
    208 W Randall Gelech
    242 F Eduard Lewandowski
    272 D Sean Sullivan
    290 Loic Burkhalter
     
  13. CH Wizard

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    WOW !!! You're making a good point here.I heard that it's not a very weak league.Frrom what I've heard it's a little but physical but it's not very hard to score.The level of competition isn't high.In 2 or 3 years We can have a bigger idea of Wheeler.Yeah He was drafted too early.I ma sure Gretzky saw his wonderful stats and picked him for that.Let's not forget that He has a lot of potential and his upside is huge.I just can't wait to see for what He can do in the pros.He has size,hockey sense and etc.... It's maybe true that HE has hockey sense.As like I said before We'll have a bigger idea on this guy in the years to come.
     
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    There have been some great discussions about this kid on the Phoenix board.

    The comments from GM Barrett, Gretzky, head scout Draper et al have basically said they believe Wheeler will be a special player. Draper reportedly had Wheeler ranked number 2 on their list (the comment was something to the effect, we only had one player we would have drafted ahead of Wheeler but he was already taken...).

    They also commented that at least one other team was interested in Wheeler and the risk of trading down and losing him was not worth it.
     
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    Yeah...but I mean who cares. The guy who did a mock draft by using second-hand reports on this board had him in the third round, THN had him at beginning of the second round, my Aunt had him lasting till round 4.

    Where does this Dave Draper (one of the most respected and flat-out best talent evaulators in the league) guy get off telling his team this schmuck is worth a high first round pick?

    /Sarcasm
     
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    I remember when I watched the draft, the commentators were specculating that Milbury would pick him in the first round, and Phoenix didn't want to trade down to risk losing him.
     
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    1996 - 24 C Daniel Briere

    I wouldn't call that a bad pick, he had over 30 goals for them a couple of seasons ago before they traded him.
     
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    And just before scoring 30 goals, he was put on waivers at the start of the season and no one picked him up. Briere going at 24 was a good pick in my opinion, it's very late 1st round, and they got a 60 point guy. I think he was one of the safest picks in the draft, he led the QMJHL in goals, assists and points, the first one to do it since Lemieux did I believe.
     
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    1998 - 43 D Ossi Vaananen

    Thats also a very good pick. But anyway, you can't put they're drafts from the past eight years on there and say that we have bad drafting. The ownership, management, and scouting group have only been with the team since the 00-01 season in which they picked Fredrik Sjostrom with the 11th pick. :shakehead
     
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    So......look at what Danny has turned out to be. A lot of good players passed through waivers before they finally paned out, example: Martin Straka.
     
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    :bow: amazing post. simply, amazing ! :bow:
     
  22. CH Wizard

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    or Martin St-Louis.
     
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    Even better... :)
     
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    Wheeler offers more than just points. He plays extremely well in his own end. Is not afraid to get hit, and certainly doesn't mind hitting. Add to that he is a proven winner. He won a state championship in hockey and in football (as a tight end).
     
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    They did, I can't remember who wanted him too but I remember that was said that day. It was wither the team who had the 8th or 9th pick.
     
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