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So both Toews and JC laid out the Lack Of Enetgy excuse...except that JC said it makes him angry (that his players lacked energy) and Toews did not mention anger...justxa sheepish kindvof shrug and blamed the some nights you do not have it schedule grind excuse.


Bad teams make excuses.
Does the team need a new sports psychologist to get energy from a lot more "want" and attention to details of the job.....OR does the team require a new "energy coach" based on whatever better conditioning the current conditioning and nutrition staff have obviously FAILED to get Hawks players to the necessary level to have the "energy" for this schedule to compete better every night and every period.

Or are these just lame excuses?Team has not got enough talent both with and without the puck?


Is the fall off no show of D-Cat and Strome this season just a 1 off and they will return to the dynamic duo of last season in 2020/21 ...or is this really what they are...unable to defend properly and no shows o the scoresheet way too often now?

Are we seeing the back end of Keith falling off the cliff?We always knew the last 3-4 seasons of the 13 yr deal would be very problematic...all those hard seasons and playoffs and big monutes eventually had to take a toll..Now he us a shell of the game director he was before.

He should now be only a 3rd pair guy in the su set years..but we are stuck with him as still 1st paring...he cannot make up for Boqvists learning mistakes and still not quite strong enough physical issuesxbecause of his youth and not yet matured body...Nor can Boqvist make up for the now regressed play of Keith in defending..

If this is tge 1st pair.. expected to direct a game and be a shutdown of the iOS best ,right there you see a huge problem .


Ok.. so we must ebdurectge lastc3 seasonsbof Keith starting next season and we cannot even let him retire to solve this because of the recapture of cap attachedcto his special contract by Bettman and his circumvention police.

All we can look forward to is New Hips Seabs next season...or will that not provide rejuvenation miracles either?

This team is really F****d till we can replace Keith and Seab contracts with dmen who can be all stars like when those 2 were I their primes.....not carrying 2 albatrosses like they are now.

By then..3 and 4 more seasons for Keith and Seabs respectively ...May e that will be resolved with new guysxwho can be l star dofference-makers on the back end..but even IF thay happens,you then have Jane a d Toews 4 years older and their games no longer at even the level theycare now..."energy" for them over 82 games will be even worse than it apparently is now..


This is a very bleak picture.


This team will never resurface as contenders Gain with thisvokd core still here.

And Mr.$6.0 cost certainty(Saad) is not e oygh of a difference-maker to justify that ki d of oay level...at best a 50-55 point guy only and not exactly Bob Gainey in defendingg his check.

Too many insurmountable flwmaws on this team plus the getting worse as the core ages "energy" problems of the "leaders" .
We all know how difficult it is to re-rool and maintain with your core at tge same time..


The better way to rise to the top of the mountain tain is to grow lower in the standings...blow up your old "tired" core and re-start with talent from early picks and multiple picks by selkirk g yourctip assets before their trade value declines.

That strategy of tanking tk the bottom will now serve Ottawa, because they have suffered in that strategy bit now willrealp the draft pick benefits with both great early picks andmylriole firsts secobds and 3rd over the next 3 drafts that they have stockpiled

.Plus some of their recent draft picks actually have de eloped nicely in the ahl or college or juniors.They will be getting a huge youthful talent injection infusion ..In 3-4 seasons they will be competing for a Cup ...alright future.

Hawks ave 3 more seasons to see the end of the 2 $20.5 contracts and the end of the Keith deal..Then(unless therevis a compliance buy-out granted with new CBA(Seabs deal ends in the summer of 2024. After 4 more seasons.

What should we have expected.. We all knew the last few years of the core deals would be problematical.

Thise fears have come home to roost...1 st with Seabs..now Keith..and soon with Kane and Toews and we will see more "lack of energy" issues with them.

So firecJC. Dir Stan. Fire rgecscouts. Fire the conditioningabd nutrition coaches.. ..fire the sports psychologist...will not make any difference...Cannotcstio Fatger Tine..

The old core cannot save us anymore.Their contracts now albatross markers to a fade to oblivion.

We ask our top paid "starss" to star ..but no longer ir not as often can they be star difference-makers...

And when some new "stars" fail to star in a season (D-Cat and Strone) this compounds the task of getting wins.

Finally.. goaltending still over-rodes everything.. If it is great it covers up all fakes...if it falters and tgeircare flaws tgey then get realkyvexpised.

Just when utvcpubted most(over kat 8vgames( Hawks goaltenders failed to be the elks they needed to be.

Tgecfloodgatesvooened and tge Real Blackhawks were exposed and everyone clearly can identify the flaws o this team.

So fore coaches and GM and scouts forxsnotger bad job season.. but that will not fix the core issues ..That is z problem of Ge. .game mileage. And "lack of energy" to sustain hard compete for all 3 periods.

The best teams in the NHL compete an an A level longer in games ...in every period of big majority of games. THE Hawks just cannot maintain such high levels of energyvaccross so manyboeriods.

The Hawks are too old at the core level and too young at hge less experienced spots.

Thus tgexagec"gap" is off-balnce= too wide a gO between the youth and the vets to compete for a Cupor even z playoff spit

This cannot get better toll the entire core group is gone.

Hard for the core to show the kids how to do it if the core explains losses as "lack of energy"...but they're Ging and that is the inevitable story.
 
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well at least now we have a full blown direction for the rest of the season. stan has 4 days to sell what he can. were looking at another 80 point season while toews and kane get older. is it possible for these guys to be 2nd or 3rd liners in the future with those cap hits and have this team succeed??
 
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Yeah, agreed but sadly we shouldn't be surprised. It happens all the time. This team has proven that they don't have the character to win when it counts most.
i am an old fart and i want my favorite team to be in the running. problem is this team should be doing better. but too many mistakes on the defensive side of the puck. let alone major mistakes by the d-men .....

i will keep hoping and cheering till the last minute of the season.
 
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So both Toews and JC laid out the Lack Of Enetgy excuse...except that JC said it makes him angry (that his players lacked energy) and Toews did not mention anger...justxa sheepish kindvof shrug and blamed the some nights you do not have it schedule grind excuse.


Bad teams make excuses.
Does the team need a new sports psychologist to get energy from a lot more "want" and attention to details of the job.....OR does the team require a new "energy coach" based on whatever better conditioning the current conditioning and nutrition staff have obviously FAILED to get Hawks players to the necessary level to have the "energy" for this schedule to compete better every night and every period.

Or are these just lame excuses?Team has not got enough talent both with and without the puck?


Is the fall off no show of D-Cat and Strome this season just a 1 off and they will return to the dynamic duo of last season in 2020/21 ...or is this really what they are...unable to defend properly and no shows o the scoresheet way too often now?

Are we seeing the back end of Keith falling off the cliff?We always knew the last 3-4 seasons of the 13 yr deal would be very problematic...all those hard seasons and playoffs and big monutes eventually had to take a toll..Now he us a shell of the game director he was before.

He should now be only a 3rd pair guy in the su set years..but we are stuck with him as still 1st paring...he cannot make up for Boqvists learning mistakes and still not quite strong enough physical issuesxbecause of his youth and not yet matured body...Nor can Boqvist make up for the now regressed play of Keith in defending..

If this is tge 1st pair.. expected to direct a game and be a shutdown of the iOS best ,right there you see a huge problem .


Ok.. so we must ebdurectge lastc3 seasonsbof Keith starting next season and we cannot even let him retire to solve this because of the recapture of cap attachedcto his special contract by Bettman and his circumvention police.

All we can look forward to is New Hips Seabs next season...or will that not provide rejuvenation miracles either?

This team is really F****d till we can replace Keith and Seab contracts with dmen who can be all stars like when those 2 were I their primes.....not carrying 2 albatrosses like they are now.

By then..3 and 4 more seasons for Keith and Seabs respectively ...May e that will be resolved with new guysxwho can be l star dofference-makers on the back end..but even IF thay happens,you then have Jane a d Toews 4 years older and their games no longer at even the level theycare now..."energy" for them over 82 games will be even worse than it apparently is now..


This is a very bleak picture.


This team will never resurface as contenders Gain with thisvokd core still here.

And Mr.$6.0 cost certainty(Saad) is not e oygh of a difference-maker to justify that ki d of oay level...at best a 50-55 point guy only and not exactly Bob Gainey in defendingg his check.

Too many insurmountable flwmaws on this team plus the getting worse as the core ages "energy" problems of the "leaders" .
We all know how difficult it is to re-rool and maintain with your core at tge same time..


The better way to rise to the top of the mountain tain is to grow lower in the standings...blow up your old "tired" core and re-start with talent from early picks and multiple picks by selkirk g yourctip assets before their trade value declines.

That strategy of tanking tk the bottom will now serve Ottawa, because they have suffered in that strategy bit now willrealp the draft pick benefits with both great early picks andmylriole firsts secobds and 3rd over the next 3 drafts that they have stockpiled

.Plus some of their recent draft picks actually have de eloped nicely in the ahl or college or juniors.They will be getting a huge youthful talent injection infusion ..In 3-4 seasons they will be competing for a Cup ...alright future.

Hawks ave 3 more seasons to see the end of the 2 $20.5 contracts and the end of the Keith deal..Then(unless therevis a compliance buy-out granted with new CBA(Seabs deal ends in the summer of 2024. After 4 more seasons.

What should we have expected.. We all knew the last few years of the core deals would be problematical.

Thise fears have come home to roost...1 st with Seabs..now Keith..and soon with Kane and Toews and we will see more "lack of energy" issues with them.

So firecJC. Dir Stan. Fire rgecscouts. Fire the conditioningabd nutrition coaches.. ..fire the sports psychologist...will not make any difference...Cannotcstio Fatger Tine..

The old core cannot save us anymore.Their contracts now albatross markers to a fade to oblivion.

We ask our top paid "starss" to star ..but no longer ir not as often can they be star difference-makers...

And when some new "stars" fail to star in a season (D-Cat and Strone) this compounds the task of getting wins.

Finally.. goaltending still over-rodes everything.. If it is great it covers up all fakes...if it falters and tgeircare flaws tgey then get realkyvexpised.

Just when utvcpubted most(over kat 8vgames( Hawks goaltenders failed to be the elks they needed to be.

Tgecfloodgatesvooened and tge Real Blackhawks were exposed and everyone clearly can identify the flaws o this team.

So fore coaches and GM and scouts forxsnotger bad job season.. but that will not fix the core issues ..That is z problem of Ge. .game mileage. And "lack of energy" to sustain hard compete for all 3 periods.

The best teams in the NHL compete an an A level longer in games ...in every period of big majority of games. THE Hawks just cannot maintain such high levels of energyvaccross so manyboeriods.

The Hawks are too old at the core level and too young at hge less experienced spots.

Thus tgexagec"gap" is off-balnce= too wide a gO between the youth and the vets to compete for a Cupor even z playoff spit

This cannot get better toll the entire core group is gone.

Hard for the core to show the kids how to do it if the core explains losses as "lack of energy"...but they're Ging and that is the inevitable story.
is this the longest post on the Bhawks board ??
 

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  • 2-5-2 since the All Star break
  • 1 of those wins being a Shootout win
  • aside from Boston, didn't even play against any top 10 teams in the league. All of them are ranked somewhere inbetween 12th and 22nd overall right now
  • outscored 23-34 in this stretch, with a 3.77 GAA
  • next two games before the deadline are against Nashville and Dallas, both of which are in a playoff hunt

Total f***ing joke. There's no excuse for the team with the roster it has to come out and lose this many games to teams that they should be beating.
 

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well at least now we have a full blown direction for the rest of the season. stan has 4 days to sell what he can. were looking at another 80 point season while toews and kane get older. is it possible for these guys to be 2nd or 3rd liners in the future with those cap hits and have this team succeed??

To that question, I doubt it. The pipeline on paper looks pretty good from a Dman prospect perspective but it is going to take time for these guys to mature. Offensively, however, other than Dach, I don't see replacements for T/K. Blow it up and trade for draft picks preferably.
 
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  • 2-5-2 since the All Star break
  • 1 of those wins being a Shootout win
  • aside from Boston, didn't even play against any top 10 teams in the league. All of them are ranked somewhere inbetween 12th and 22nd overall right now
  • outscored 23-34 in this stretch, with a 3.77 GAA
  • next two games before the deadline are against Nashville and Dallas, both of which are in a playoff hunt
Total f*cking joke. There's no excuse for the team with the roster it has to come out and lose this many games to teams that they should be beating.

Are we sure it isn’t just a shit roster though?
 
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To that question, I doubt it. The pipeline on paper looks pretty good from a Dman prospect perspective but it is going to take time for these guys to mature. But offensively, other than Dach, I don't see replacements for T/K. Blow it up.

sad news...... but the truth does hurt.

lets not forget a develop time for rookie D-men to mature as well.
 

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Are we sure it isn’t just a shit roster though?

It apparently must be.

Kane has been mostly fine, Toews after his what...2 points in 11 games? to start the years is now on like an 85 point pace for the season. Kubalik on pace for 30+ goals, Saad on pace for 30 goals. Kubalik, DeBrincat, Strome all on pace for 50+ points. Caggiula has been fine. Maatta, Murphy, and Kieth have all been good or better defensively. DeHann was good before the injury. Gus hasn't been that bad.

I think we're missing a lot of production from DeBrincat and Gus, as well as Strome not taking the next step.

This shouldn't be a team picking top 5 in the draft. Especially with the goaltending we've gotten through stretches of the year. Yet here we are, big ol' pile of poop
 

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I mean our best pure goal scorer is 18 goals behind where he was at this point last season. You can make the point this roster wasn’t as good as thought but they without a doubt underperformed


Truth.

If DeBrincat has 10 more goals the Hawks probably win 2-3 more games at least.
Combine that with a horrible power play (dead last in the NHL) and you have a recipe for failure.

With this lineup Hawks should have been 1st wildcard at worst.

JC has to go. No way around it.
 
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I mean our best goal scorer is 18 goals off of his pace at this point last season. You can make the point this roster wasn’t as good as thought but they without a doubt underperformed

Right, they have underperformed a bit. I just don’t like the lack of contingency options they came into the year with. The only guy in Rockford they had to call up for injuries was Sikura. Every team has guys regress or get hurt and it was almost as if a perfect string of luck and good fortune was expected from everyone which isn’t fair to the guys IMO.
 
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every team has a player that is under performing from expectation. kubalik is over performing on a 35 goal pace. If you swapped Kubaliks 35 goal pace and debrincats 20 goal pace nobody bats an eye at the beginning of the year.the defense isnt good enough, the depth isnt good enough, the special teams arent good enough, the coaching isnt good enough, and the stars arent good enough to carry this team right now.
 

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Can I just say that Lehner's 5-hole last night looked very Huet and Goatse-like last night?

Not a good outing for him. Granted, Boqvist had a rough night too, but still for a guy looking to make bank on the UFA market from us or someone else it's best not to do a sieve impersonation on national TV.
 

LordKOTL

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Lehner has checked out

With contract talks going nowhere and Hawks falling out of playoff race he clearly wants to move on

Just look at his body language

Not a great look for a guy who had 30 teams concerned about off ice issues
This doesn't make much sense for Lehner. Even if he was completely disillusioned by the 'hawks, by playing well he maximizes his off-season value and thus his salary...since he doesn't want to make a sweetheart deal.

The way he's been playing since the ASG though? If he doesn't play better he might be lucky to get 5M AAV next year.
 

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This doesn't make much sense for Lehner. Even if he was completely disillusioned by the 'hawks, by playing well he maximizes his off-season value and thus his salary...since he doesn't want to make a sweetheart deal.

The way he's been playing since the ASG though? If he doesn't play better he might be lucky to get 5M AAV next year.

Lehner's body language does suggest he is disheartened. Like many of us.
 

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Goaltending has ebbs and flows. You usually don't see a goalie constantly great, so a decline from his stellar start was almost to be expected.

But I don't buy the checked out argument. I'm sure he's frustrated, but I don't doubt his work ethic on the ice at all.
 
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