Movies: Black Widow - heading to Disney +

kingsfan28

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Is it 2 million people or accounts that have streamed it. You can have up to 4 people (or households) per account so the number who have actually seen it through Disney+ could be significantly higher.

That and you would also be able to get high def perfect pirated versions within hours of the release because of it.

Disney plus wasn’t launched at the time of the film being announced, so I’m not sure how well the argument of saying streaming is different to VOD will work.

Yeah, it's really going to come down what VOD actually is considered in her contract. Do they feel "streaming same day release" is considered VOD or not because it's not specifically outlined in her contract.

My sticking point with the suit as i've pointed out is that she think her movie would've put up big big numbers during an ongoing crisis when many theaters are closed. The Fast and Furious franchise is equally as big overall and has pulled in 163 mil in 5 weeks with no streaming as far as I know. Those aren't huge numbers.
 

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Yeah, it's really going to come down what VOD actually is considered in her contract. Do they feel "streaming same day release" is considered VOD or not because it's not specifically outlined in her contract.

My sticking point with the suit as i've pointed out is that she think her movie would've put up big big numbers during an ongoing crisis when many theaters are closed. The Fast and Furious franchise is equally as big overall and has pulled in 163 mil in 5 weeks with no streaming as far as I know. Those aren't huge numbers.

I’m not sure the money would matter in the sense that if streaming counts as VOD they breached the contract and it took the opportunity away.

I’m also interested to see if it means a release of figures on how many times it’s been viewed so far
 
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I have no idea how the contracts were structured and whether how much money Black Widow would have made is even relevant, but I feel like if it was normal times, it would have stood a pretty good chance at $300M domestic and potentially a billion worldwide.

It was initially given that early May release slot which Marvel has essentially held as their slot for their biggest film each year.

All that said, you'd need one hell of a contract that essentially guarantees you percentage points of the gross, but also protects you from the risks associated with the pandemic.

It'll be curious to see how this plays out, but, it's not like either party is really hurting financially right now.
 
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I’m not sure the money would matter in the sense that if streaming counts as VOD they breached the contract and it took the opportunity away.

I’m also interested to see if it means a release of figures on how many times it’s been viewed so far

Me too. It would be interesting to to see the number of views, but I think they may not want to divulge that info. This is going to have a real interesting impact on current and future contracts. I'm just curious if she still sues for another reason if the movie was only in theaters and only has pulled in 120 mil after 3 weeks.

Next weeks Suicide Squad will be a good measuring stick to see how many go to theaters and how many watch on HBO Max. The numbers should be interesting.
 

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Disney settled after the lawyers said "yeah, she took less up front for points in the release" and since you had to pay $$$ on Disney + that counts against the points

Or:

Scar-Jo: I got less than I wanted (Deadline says 40 million plus) but more than Disney were planning to.

Disney: We paid more than we planned to but less than what she wanted (50-80 million).

Win-win?
 
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Settlement happened a lot faster than I thought. Probably because Disney was doing badly in the PR war, mostly with the talent base sympathizing with one of their own. Disney is big and powerful but can't really afford to use 'hard power' and their influence against their own talent and human resources. Best to cut their losses and pay up what she might have got if they did not make the decision to streaming that they made (to prop up their own streaming service to the detriment of the theatrical release). They keep her quiet and keep the talent base happy and stop a negative PR event from spreading further. (Apple learned that vs Taylor Swift)
 
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Watched last night and I must say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Good action-adventure movie which came across as the women's version of the Borne Supremacy series and I mean that in a very good way. It felt more like that an actual Marvel movie and I think that was a good direction to take. One of the complaints I have was that they tried to shove down the "I am an Avenger" like every other scene and I don't think it was needed. It could because The Avengers aren't necessarily cool, what I think of Avenger the first image that pops into my head is kid toy commercialism. Nonetheless, the absolute worst part of this movie is that it got totally Hollywood/Americanised with majority of the dialogue being spoken in English. Sorry, but no...you're taking down the Red Room predominantly in Russian being raised as Russian citizens working for the Soviet Union. I am not saying this movie should've been Inglourious Basterds where 90% of the movie is subtitles (I mean I would prefer that), but way more conversations should've been in Russian. It would have given the movie a much more home and accurate feeling than how it came off. I do think some of the negative criticism is warranted though, it seems Disney screwed up on the marketing of this movie. I also thought that it was her figuring out her past as an origin movie, but it was essentially a random missing piece after Captain America: Civil War took place. I still think it was a solid movie though.

Spoilers: Could someone tell me what the second bonus scene is going to head towards? I haven't really been in the loop and I am very interested in what happens with Yelena, but not sure if it will be a future movie or Disney+ show.
 
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Settlement happened a lot faster than I thought. Probably because Disney was doing badly in the PR war, mostly with the talent base sympathizing with one of their own. Disney is big and powerful but can't really afford to use 'hard power' and their influence against their own talent and human resources. Best to cut their losses and pay up what she might have got if they did not make the decision to streaming that they made (to prop up their own streaming service to the detriment of the theatrical release). They keep her quiet and keep the talent base happy and stop a negative PR event from spreading further. (Apple learned that vs Taylor Swift)

I would assume this was an accidentally screw over. When the contract was signed probably no one thought a new blockbuster release would go to a streaming service at the same time as the theatrical release, so there was probably nothing in the contract accounting for this when Johansson got her box office bonus clause. Then of course Covid-19 happens and all the math changed. With that contract Disney could have played hard ball but it was never their intention to screw her over and the bad publicity would be worse than what they gained. So not a surprise it was an easy settlement.

Anyways now that it's free on Disney plus finally getting to watch it!
 

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Saw this is on Disney+ yesterday, pretty good! Florence Pugh is the highlight.

Spoilers: Could someone tell me what the second bonus scene is going to head towards? I haven't really been in the loop and I am very interested in what happens with Yelena, but not sure if it will be a future movie or Disney+ show.

She's going to be in the Hawkeye-series.
 
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Saw it a couple of months ago...

Florence Pugh was an absolute scene stealer and the highlight of the film, IMO

I'm expecting this role will launch her into superstar status in Hollywood
 

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Love Florence Pugh and she was great in this. She will be a great addition to the MCU in taking the mantle from SJ.

This filled in the gaps nicely of Black Widow’s story and puts a nicer bookend to it following her death in Endgame.

I didn’t see that post credit scene coming, some definite intrigue and excitement built off of that.

Sets the table nicely for the Hawkeye series.

Also looking like the may be assembling the Thunderbolts with US Agent and the next gen Black Widow… Taskmaster might be included in there, Zemo).. there is some definite groundwork being laid
 
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What a great scene. Why they would delete it boggles the mind.
The movie was a mishmash of bad decisions. The inclusion of the explanations to the obvious coup in the red room and the exclusion of this scene is so weird.

The language bloopers were also amateurish.
 

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Watched it recently. Didn't have as warm a reaction than most others.

I'll start by saying what I liked, the more grounded story was definitely needed after the way phase 3 ended. The acting is generally solid. The action sequences are pretty good across the board and I liked the soundtrack.

Past that though, without getting too much into it I thought the story was ultimately pretty dumb at the end. The only thing I truly enjoyed about the story was the fake family coming together to be a real one. I didn't like having a character whose most compelling aspect was her checkered and mysterious past have the veil on that past lifted. I didn't like how we have yet another shadow organization/figure manipulating world events without any indication of their impact in any other MCU property. And I found the last act in general...the only way I can describe it is in Winter Soldier, the last act almost goes too far in teetering away from its more grounded first 2/3rds, Black Widow to me went too far.

Another thing that bothered me is that while I get this is the MCU, the MCU has made it a point to show that Natasha is not a super solider. Within the first 20-30 minutes I counted three events that would have certainly killed, paralyzed, or at the very least injured to the point of incapacity any normal human being. Her surviving her car getting blown up, whatever. It's become such a movie trope I can't get that mad. But for the third, she gets thrown from a building, falls several stories before hitting a metal beam, and then hits the ground below and just grimaces, gets up and walks to a Widow to check on her before the Widow dies. And she's fine for the rest of the movie. That kind of thing really tests my capacity for suspension of disbelief and maybe I was biased against the movie from that point on.

Also a lot of people praise Florence Pugh's performance and I'm not going to rag on her completely, but I found her comic relief to be almost entirely annoying rather than amusing. She made me crack up once, when she was talking to Harbour about the female reproductive system to make him uncomfortable. After a while I'd wince any time the screen would pan to her thinking "what uniquely quirky and sarcastic thing is she going to say next?" Also it's a small quibble but her accent was pretty inconsistent in the first half of the movie. I didn't want her to be a Russian stereotype but it was pretty obvious at times. All that said, she does have the best emotional weight in the movie. All of the above being as gripey as it is, it's clear she's a very talented actress. The only time the movie made me feel anything is the moments where you see a woman who had the upbringing she did but was still a kid at heart. A kid who never really got to be a nomal kid. A kid who wanted a real family and placed all her love and value of life in a family that wasn't real, and all her trauma growing up manifested into this really tragic desire to have her fake family become her real one. I thought that part of the film was very well written and executed by Pugh's performance.

Overall it was fine, but not the strongest MCU entry for me. There were some good pieces there but they missed the mark in too many ways for my liking.
 

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Also a lot of people praise Florence Pugh's performance and I'm not going to rag on her completely, but I found her comic relief to be almost entirely annoying rather than amusing. She made me crack up once, when she was talking to Harbour about the female reproductive system to make him uncomfortable. After a while I'd wince any time the screen would pan to her thinking "what uniquely quirky and sarcastic thing is she going to say next?" Also it's a small quibble but her accent was pretty inconsistent in the first half of the movie. I didn't want her to be a Russian stereotype but it was pretty obvious at times. All that said, she does have the best emotional weight in the movie. All of the above being as gripey as it is, it's clear she's a very talented actress. The only time the movie made me feel anything is the moments where you see a woman who had the upbringing she did but was still a kid at heart. A kid who never really got to be a nomal kid. A kid who wanted a real family and placed all her love and value of life in a family that wasn't real, and all her trauma growing up manifested into this really tragic desire to have her fake family become her real one. I thought that part of the film was very well written and executed by Pugh's performance.
I thought I was the only one. She was borderline the worst part of the movie for me. I cringed basically every time she opened her mouth. She was the walking embodiment of the MCU's overuse of comedic relief.

No idea why she was universally considered the best part of the movie.
 

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I thought I was the only one. She was borderline the worst part of the movie for me. I cringed basically every time she opened her mouth. She was the walking embodiment of the MCU's overuse of comedic relief.

No idea why she was universally considered the best part of the movie.
I mean what little dramatic contribution she made was the most moving part of the movie, so in a small way she was the best part of the movie. But I've seen so many people say she stole the show and was a delight to watch, and that has to reference her comedic contribution because for 80% of her screen time she's either being quirky, random, sarcastic, or all three at once to try to be funny and to me it would've been fine if it was toned down a bit but it was line after line and sometimes where it didn't even feel like the appropriate time for it.
 

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Also a lot of people praise Florence Pugh's performance and I'm not going to rag on her completely, but I found her comic relief to be almost entirely annoying rather than amusing. She made me crack up once, when she was talking to Harbour about the female reproductive system to make him uncomfortable. After a while I'd wince any time the screen would pan to her thinking "what uniquely quirky and sarcastic thing is she going to say next?" Also it's a small quibble but her accent was pretty inconsistent in the first half of the movie.

I thought I was the only one. She was borderline the worst part of the movie for me. I cringed basically every time she opened her mouth. She was the walking embodiment of the MCU's overuse of comedic relief.

No idea why she was universally considered the best part of the movie.

Agreed! I thought she was pretty bad, and that accent was shit. Didn't bother much because the whole film ain't much of a success, but every time I read on here how good she was, I'm thinking huh?
 

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