Master Bill
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Wait until we meet in the playoffs, then we can have some nasty fun chirping back & forth. Of course Vancouver has to make it first......God dammit I literally hate every single Canucks fan on this forum except for that one guy. He’s the nicest person I’ve ever encountered on this website. Make it stop
Sigh.. gonna have to change my username again, thanks Bill
Man do people suck these days. Everyone. The old white guys who can't understand what racism is now a days. The millennials that need blood anytime someone (usually not themselves) is offended by something. The people who defend the offenders. The people who call for the offender's head. It's all so extreme. Really hard to watch how society behalves these days. Nobody seems to hold any rational thought or empathy for anything.
Everyone needs to be better.
Man do people suck these days. Everyone. The old white guys who can't understand what racism is now a days. The millennials that need blood anytime someone (usually not themselves) is offended by something. The people who defend the offenders. The people who call for the offender's head. It's all so extreme. Really hard to watch how society behalves these days. Nobody seems to hold any rational thought or empathy for anything.
Everyone needs to be better.
I couldn't agree more with you. This is why I have barely commented on this entire situation, all of it makes me sick.
I'm sure a lot of us have been thinking and asking this question... either to ourselves or others...
How much did Flames management know about Peters before hiring him?
"While the allegations linger and internal investigations continue into the past conduct of Calgary Flames head coach Bill Peters, there is an even bigger question worth asking to the franchise, its general manager and its owners.
Did they know what had occurred early on in Peters’ career?
Worse, did they know what had occurred … and hire him anyway?
Peters was always Brad Treliving’s choice, ever since he fired Glen Gulutzan on April 17, 2018, and had sought out permission from the Carolina Hurricanes to speak to the Three Hills, Alta., native. Peters, who was the only person to be interviewed by Treliving, resigned as head coach of the Hurricanes on a Friday. He was hired by Treliving on that Monday, six days after Gulutzan was fired."
I doubt they would have known about the racial epitaphs but with due diligence they should have discovered the player physical abuse. I suspect they didn't know about the physical player abuse because Peters was their only candidate for the HC position. I suspect that Treliving and Burke didn't do any due diligence at all... they just hired Peters based on Trelivings personal relationship with him and to all appearances he looked like the perfect candidate.I highly doubt they knew the worst of it. There's no way they WANT this PR nightmare.
Calgary Sun sensationalism as norm.
I doubt they would have known about the racial epitaphs but with due diligence they should have discovered the player physical abuse. I suspect they didn't know about the physical player abuse because Peters was their only candidate for the HC position. I suspect that Treliving and Burke didn't do any due diligence at all... they just hired Peters based on Trelivings personal relationship with him and to all appearances he looked like the perfect candidate.
Man do people suck these days. Everyone. The old white guys who can't understand what racism is now a days. The millennials that need blood anytime someone (usually not themselves) is offended by something. The people who defend the offenders. The people who call for the offender's head. It's all so extreme. Really hard to watch how society behaves these days. Nobody seems to hold any rational thought or empathy for anything.
Everyone needs to be better.
Define due diligence. A former employer can't give a perspective employer the tip of 'stay away from this guy' otherwise they may end up on the wrong side of a law suit. And to canvass every player that may have ever played for someone would be time consuming and fruitless. A lot of hearsay would be involved. Peters was hired due to Treliving's previous interactions with him, the systems he used while coaching, and no doubt his success as a coach. Peters' systems were akin to what Gulatzan used and what Treliving was looking for. There was also a time constraint in that Treliving felt Peters wouldn't stay on the open market for very long.I doubt they would have known about the racial epitaphs but with due diligence they should have discovered the player physical abuse. I suspect they didn't know about the physical player abuse because Peters was their only candidate for the HC position. I suspect that Treliving and Burke didn't do any due diligence at all... they just hired Peters based on Trelivings personal relationship with him and to all appearances he looked like the perfect candidate.
Depends on what your definition is of years. The physical player abuse, that we know of, occurred either in the 2014-2015 or 2015-2016 season. Peters was hired by the Flames in April 2018.... not that long ago when you look at his hire date.Depends on what you think due diligence would imply. It took years for this stuff to come out, I'm not sure it would have unless they did a full on investigation like they are currently, and how often does that happen?
First of all, Peters was still the Head Coach of Canes when they interviewed him (short as I suspect it was) and offered him the job of HC for the Flames. There was no time constraint.Define due diligence. A former employer can't give a perspective employer the tip of 'stay away from this guy' otherwise they may end up on the wrong side of a law suit. And to canvass every player that may have ever played for someone would be time consuming and fruitless. A lot of hearsay would be involved. Peters was hired due to Treliving's previous interactions with him, the systems he used while coaching, and no doubt his success as a coach. Peters' systems were akin to what Gulatzan used and what Treliving was looking for. There was also a time constraint in that Treliving felt Peters wouldn't stay on the open market for very long.
Not to mention how easily the Canes let him walk...First of all, Peters was still the Head Coach of Canes when they interviewed him (short as I suspect it was) and offered him the job of HC for the Flames. There was no time constraint.
"Peters was always Brad Treliving’s choice, ever since he fired Glen Gulutzan on April 17, 2018, and had sought out permission from the Carolina Hurricanes to speak to the Three Hills, Alta., native. Peters, who was the only person to be interviewed by Treliving, resigned as head coach of the Hurricanes on a Friday. He was hired by Treliving on that Monday, six days after Gulutzan was fired."
As to due diligence... You talk to as many people as you need to in order to get a complete picture of the guy you may want to hire. You don't have to talk to every player on the team... just the team leaders and assistant coaches that were subordinate to him (and this would have all been done in private where Peters would never know). When hiring a HC you are hiring the most important person on the team. HC's can make or break a team. Ask some Leaf players if you don't believe me.
Peters was hired 6 days after Gully was fired. I'd be surprised if due diligence is possible in 6 days.
Sigh.. gonna have to change my username again, thanks Bill