Bill Ny the contractless guy (part 8)

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This marketplace you speak of doesn't exist in the same way for RFAs... No team is going to offersheet WN right about now... WN has very little leverage right now...

If we want to remain competitive, we CANNOT overpay out players, especially the RFAs...

You look at Tampa Bay... they've got Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov on steals of contracts...
You look at Nashville... Josi, Ekholm, etc on steals of contracts
Winnipeg - Schieffelle -- Steal of a contract
Boston - Bergeron and Marchand - Steal of a contract

5.67x6 isn't all that difference than 6x7 that Ehlers got...

Willy long term at 6.5...would be a steal of a contract, so I'm not sure of your point here.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

he’s worth $9M as a UFA.

No. Not to us. He's a winger on AM34's line. We can't pay that. Period

 

[Willy Stylez]

Pasta had 34 goals and 70 points in 75 games at a year younger than William is now and got paid 6.6 million. Not only has pasta significantly outscored Nylander... but anyone who has watched the two go head to head... it's easy to see that Pasta plays with significantly more heart and hustle.

1 for 1... I would take Pasta in a heart beat.

6.6 absolute max for Nylander, and I think that would be being generous.

Max is 6.6 for you on a 8 year deal? Well good luck with that.

 

[srnd9399]

Posted last night, then deleted an hour later. As someone already said apparently it was fake, but it certainly got some fans hopes up!! Hope he signs soon and not overpaid

 

[Muston Atthews]

IF you were to believe Dreger, it would be awesome if the Leafs were holding strong at high 5 mills

 

[Buds17]

Position difference aside, I think I find the Theodore re-signing a bigger reason for optimism compared to the other recent re-signings just because it's a long-term deal. Hopefully the negotiation is coming closer to its conclusion and wrapping up in time for the regular season.

 

[hotpaws]

IF you were to believe Dreger, it would be awesome if the Leafs were holding strong at high 5 mills

he said high 5's low 6's and he said he was speculating and had no inside information

 

[Muston Atthews]

he said high 5's low 6's and he said he was speculating and had no inside information

I understand that but it would make a lot of sense if that were the case. If Leafs were willing to give mid 6s then it would be done

 

[AustonMarner]

I finally figured it out!
Nylander has been thinking Ritchie is his best comparable all along.

Harold Howard - "so we'll see.."

 

[Mess]

I understand that but it would make a lot of sense if that were the case. If Leafs were willing to give mid 6s then it would be done

If Leafs are offering in the 5's than we're talking a short bridge deal.

 

[Leafsman]

IF you were to believe Dreger, it would be awesome if the Leafs were holding strong at high 5 mills

No way they're pushing long term and high $5M. That's as ridiculous as Nylander wanting $8M.

Pay a player what they're worth. If you want him to be better than all these comparable players then pay him accordingly (not Draisaitl - that deal is just bad). $6.65M-$6.85M. This deal should be long done as it is quite obvious what the dollars should be.

 

[Muston Atthews]

If Leafs are offering in the 5's than we're talking a short bridge deal.

Again, that deal would’ve been done if that were the case IMO

 

[hotpaws]

I understand that but it would make a lot of sense if that were the case. If Leafs were willing to give mid 6s then it would be done

it wouldn't be done if the Leafs were offering mid 6's for 7/8 yrs

Dreger was speculating just like we've been doing for thousands of posts and hearing pretty much the exact same thing from him that you read in this thread carries no more weight .

 

[Muston Atthews]

it wouldn't be done if the Leafs were offering mid 6's for 7/8 yrs

Dreger was just speculating just like we've been doing for thousands of posts and hearing pretty much the exact same thing from him that you read in this thread carries no more weight .

It’s not my fault you’ve been posting thousands of posts about this topic. I was just stating my opinion, you were the one to respond to it

 

[Mess]

it wouldn't be done if the Leafs were offering mid 6's for 7/8 yrs

Dreger was just speculating just like we've been doing for thousands of posts and hearing pretty much the exact same thing from him that you read in this thread carries no more weight .

Speaking of speculating, during the intermission a couple games back now Elliot Friedman was saying that from his "sources" he believes that all 3 of the kids don't want to have a big gap difference in their next long term contracts.

He was suggesting that Nylander and Marner next deals being essentially $1 mil or less in difference on term.

Matthews @$11 mil and Marner at ~$8.5 mil- $9 and Nylander $7.5 mil to $8 in demands.

Makes one wonder if the 3 amigo's are negotiating as the 3 Musketeers as in their motto "One for all and all for one".. It would perhaps explain why none of the new contracts are done.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

Will Ny the "he wants 8 million a year" guy

 

[ShaneFalco]

atthews @$11 mil and Marner at ~$8.5 mil- $9 and Nylander $7.5 mil to $8 in demands.

If that's the case, Nylander won't be playing for a while I'm guessing. Or traded
I wouldn't go higher than 6.5 and I don't think Dubas will either. But what do I know.....

 

[hotpaws]

Speaking of speculating, during the intermission a couple games back now Elliot Friedman was saying that from his "sources" he believes that all 3 of the kids don't want to have a big gap difference in their next long term contracts.

He was suggesting that Nylander and Marner next deals being essentially $1 mil or less in difference on term.

Matthews @$11 mil and Marner at ~$8.5 mil- $9 and Nylander $7.5 mil to $8 in demands.

Makes one wonder if the 3 amigo's are negotiating as the 3 Musketeers as in their motto "One for all and all for one"

i'm guessing at these numbers they're not buying into Dubie's "vision"

 

[Walshy7]

I finally figured it out!
Nylander has been thinking Ritchie is his best comparable all along.

Harold Howard - "so we'll see.."

Now that would be team friendly ritchies best comparable is pthetoc for a 10th overall pick

 

[Bluelines]

On Leafs Lunch yesterday, Andi mused that one of the reasons Willie is holding out is he is concerned that if he signs a mid to low $6 mil contract that makes him easier to trade than if he signs in the 7's or 8's, one of the other commentators on the show said that where his dad played on 7 teams in the NHL he knows better than anyone, you are just a commodity and he could be influencing his son's decision making.

Interesting slant on the contract discussions. I think it's not just one thing, I think its a little from column "A" a little from column "B" a little from column "C" , he want to get paid, he wants assurances that he will not be traded, he wants assurances that he will get good ice time (believe it or not agents try to negotiate this, IE my player will get X amount of ATOI, will play on the PP at least X amount of ATOI each year, etc.)

 

[ShaneFalco]

On Leafs Lunch yesterday, Andi mused that one of the reasons Willie is holding out is he is concerned that if he signs a mid to low $6 mil contract that makes him easier to trade than if he signs in the 7's or 8's, one of the other commentators on the show said that where his dad played on 7 teams in the NHL he knows better than anyone, you are just a commodity and he could be influencing his son's decision making.

Interesting slant on the contract discussions. I think it's not just one thing, I think its a little from column "A" a little from column "B" a little from column "C" , he want to get paid, he wants assurances that he will not be traded, he wants assurances that he will get good ice time (believe it or not agents try to negotiate this, IE my player will get X amount of ATOI, will play on the PP at least X amount of ATOI each year, etc.)

If Hyman can get a partial NTC.......

 

[Walshy7]

Speaking of speculating, during the intermission a couple games back now Elliot Friedman was saying that from his "sources" he believes that all 3 of the kids don't want to have a big gap difference in their next long term contracts.

He was suggesting that Nylander and Marner next deals being essentially $1 mil or less in difference on term.

Matthews @$11 mil and Marner at ~$8.5 mil- $9 and Nylander $7.5 mil to $8 in demands.

Makes one wonder if the 3 amigo's are negotiating as the 3 Musketeers as in their motto "One for all and all for one".. It would perhaps explain why none of the new contracts are done.

I doubt it, seems (from the outside looking in) that Marner and Matthews are best buds but they aren't that close to nylander to say "all 3 of us sign similar numbers". Marner and Matthews I can totally see that which is dangerous because marner isn't close to Matthews in value, so unless Matthews is planning on a discount that would raise marner AAV pretty high

 

[Morbo]

Again, that deal would’ve been done if that were the case IMO

no kidding. why the hell would the Leafs ever offer "in the 5s" on a bridge??

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

IF you were to believe Dreger, it would be awesome if the Leafs were holding strong at high 5 mills

Lol that would be terrible. If Nylander isn't getting to gel with the team because Dubas is being dumb and offering a contract way under Nylanders realistic value (baring it's a. bridge contract) then all this is on him.

 

[Walshy7]

Will Ny the "he wants 8 million a year" guy

Will ny "Dreger talking shit as usual" guy