Zine
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Patrick Marleau (good player...could be/have been way better)
Chris Gratton
Dainius Zubrus
Patrick Marleau (good player...could be/have been way better)
Chris Gratton
#37-#93-#27 said:Wrong. Blackburn could play in the NHL. Rangers just won't allow him to because they're the Rag$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Zine said:OTHERS:
Patrick Marleau (good player...could be/have been way better)
go pierre hedin said:Toronto...
Luca Cereda
Also Aki Berg at #3 overall(I think).......Storr at least stoled a few games for the kings(Dallas, Vancouver last year), Aki Berg didn't do much of anything for the kingsKingPurpleDinosaur said:kings with jamie storr. pulle dhim up too fast and never got enough playing time. looked at him to be the goalie of the future, but ended up being weak mentally. a few years in the minors woulda helped him greatly
phantompenguin said:And then there's guys like Craig Hillier who just flat out flopped without the help of the team.
What did the Thrashers do to "ruin" Stefan? He got injured early on, and then got overshadowed by two much better players. Now he has no confidence; he's stuck in a situation where he is compared daily to Kovalchuk & Heatley. There is nothing the Thrashers can do about that.momentai said:Though he's still relatively young (23 I think), Patrik Stefan.
At 18, he wasn't ready to take a dreadful team on his back...Absolut said:What did the Thrashers do to "ruin" Stefan? He got injured early on, and then got overshadowed by two much better players. Now he has no confidence; he's stuck in a situation where he is compared daily to Kovalchuk & Heatley. There is nothing the Thrashers can do about that.
You can make an argument that Atlanta should have brought him along slower -- but it's not unusual for a first rounder on an expansion team to be expected to contribute right away.
I agree -- Stefan wasn't ready. In retrospect, he'd be better off playing in Europe for a couple years. But it's hard to judge a prospect's mental toughness until he plays in the NHL. Stefan was picked high enough to warrant high expectations.Evilo said:At 18, he wasn't ready to take a dreadful team on his back...
I think that's his point.
paul99 said:Lindros?
Even with the second excuse, he can't use that excuse either. Atlanta had Ray Ferraro, Darryl Shannon, and Kelly Buchberger. No one looked to Stefan to lead Stefan has no excuse for his lack of impact, Waddell did everything right. Patrik just didn't, and probably won't ever, make a 1st rounders impact.Absolut said:You can look at his situation and say: he'll get plenty of ice time with no pressure to win. Or, you can look at it from a different perspective: he'll be expected to lead a bad team, with no veteran leadership, at a tender age of 18. I dunno. You just can't predict how people will react to pressure. Who know that Kovalchuk, at 20, was ready to take Atlanta on his back? If he crumbled under pressure, would we say the Thrashers were to blame?
kasper11 said:Over the last 10 years or so I would have to say Manny Malhotra by the New York Rangers. I have no problem with bringing a kid up at 18 if he is ready, but the Rangers were touting their plans him as NHL ready as soon as they drafted him. Then he was given 8 minutes in a game or left in the pressbox. No way can a player develop like that.
Frenzy1 said:Your joking, Right...
I think a player that has finally lived up to billing but was almost scrapped by a poor organization is:
Vinie LeCavalier was almost destroyed in Tampa due to pressure and getting the C his 1st season...
In truth, I am not sure if an organization is the only party responsible for a failure in development of a player. The media and fans (with a win now) mentality and placing high expectations on 18-23 yrs. may also play a huge roll in what happens to young kids. Getting on rookies for not living up to expectations (even in Jrs.) doesn't help in the development process..
Clarke didn't do that deal.paul99 said:Joking? Nope. Ask Bobby Clark if he would get Lindros again in these circumptances. He sent, what, six players to get him. Including Peter Forsberg! And what, 15 000 millions or something like that. An enormous amount in that time.
Lindros played with Team Canada before having played one game in NHL, when he was 18. And I remember he played good games, hitting everybody on the ice. This guy coudl have been the Next One, as a CBC documentary profiled him with Gretzky and Turgeon along an ice pond 6 or 7 years ago.
paul99 said:Joking? Nope. Ask Bobby Clark if he would get Lindros again in these circumptances. He sent, what, six players to get him. Including Peter Forsberg! And what, 15 000 millions or something like that. An enormous amount in that time.
Lindros played with Team Canada before having played one game in NHL, when he was 18. And I remember he played good games, hitting everybody on the ice. This guy coudl have been the Next One, as a CBC documentary profiled him with Gretzky and Turgeon along an ice pond 6 or 7 years ago.
phantompenguin said:Robert Dome has/had an awful work ethic too but the team really mishandled him regardless. Rushed him in, never gave him a chance after his initial suckitude, did nothing to help him in personal times of crisis(parent deaths in a short span), etc.