Biggest "Almost" Deals Through History?

Discussion in 'The History of Hockey' started by Randomtask68, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. Jim MacDonald

    Jim MacDonald Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Messages:
    439
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    26
    Gender:
    Male
    Guys I read this from a book only once and wondered if anyone else heard this, in 94 near the trade deadline I read the Wings could've gotten Grant Fuhr in exchange for Keith Primeau and Bob Essensa....anyone else hear of this? I just wonder the "what ifs" ...maybe the collapse against the Sharks doesn't happen if Fuhr is in net....although at that point in time I don't know if Detroit would've wanted to part ways with Primeau….still a bit too young/upside at that point.
     
  2. BM14

    BM14 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2012
    Messages:
    4,765
    Likes Received:
    2,479
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Occupation:
    4th line enforcer.
    Location:
    GTA
    Gretzky to Toronto. There was only one obstacle and unfortunately it was the one that mattered most.
     
  3. brachyrynchos

    brachyrynchos Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    386
    Trophy Points:
    59
    In '97 Messier had left for Vancouver, so the Rangers signed Joe Sakic to a 3yr deal worth $21M which Colorado matched. Compensation would've been 5 1st rd picks. New York would've had 2 top centers in Gretzky and Sakic (they ended up signing LaFontaine) and would've been a joy to see.
    And I seem to think someone tried signing Fedorov when he was a group 2, but I could be wrong.
     
  4. Normand Lacombe

    Normand Lacombe Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2008
    Messages:
    678
    Likes Received:
    550
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    NE
    Carolina signed Federov to a 6 year, $38M offer sheet late in the 97-98 season that Detroit matched.
     
    brachyrynchos likes this.
  5. McGarnagle

    McGarnagle Yes.

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2017
    Messages:
    6,512
    Likes Received:
    5,180
    Trophy Points:
    111
    I believe that contact offer had a poison pill clause with ridiculous bonuses for making the Western Conference final. Which obviously Carolina wouldn't have to worry about.
     
  6. Jets4Life

    Jets4Life Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    4,736
    Likes Received:
    745
    Trophy Points:
    194
    Occupation:
    occupied
    Location:
    Hellebuyck County
    Luckily the Jets matched it, in short order.
     
  7. FerrisRox

    FerrisRox "Wanna go, Prettyboy?"

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    12,847
    Likes Received:
    2,519
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    The Sabres traded Lafontaine to the Rangers, it was not a signing. He spent his entire career playing in New York State and had a great quote about it: "I've been traded twice in my career and never had to change my license plate."
     
  8. Normand Lacombe

    Normand Lacombe Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2008
    Messages:
    678
    Likes Received:
    550
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    NE
    In Philadelphia Flyers programs from the late 1980's to early 1990's, there was a column titled "Around the NHL" that had some trade rumors. I don't know the validity of those rumors, but here are some rumored deals that were mentioned:

    May, 1987 " Word persists that the Edmonton Oilers really did offer defenseman Paul Coffey to Washington for defenseman Scott Stevens".

    January, 1990 " The Flames have talked to Toronto about Gary Leeman and Luke Richardson for Gary Suter. The Flames have also talked to St.Louis about the possibility of reacquiring right wing Brett Hull."
     
  9. crobro

    crobro Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,314
    Likes Received:
    139
    Trophy Points:
    112
    Brian Burke pretty much had 1-2-3 overall picks lined up but had a change of heart.
     
  10. crobro

    crobro Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,314
    Likes Received:
    139
    Trophy Points:
    112
    And another connected what if is that Guy Lafleur would have been an Oiler at that time if Serge Savard allowed it to happen.

    The 1981 Canada cup line would have a chance for another go
     
  11. Talisman

    Talisman Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    36
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Lafleur also....:). Really stacked top 9 oilers in 1987.

    Tikkanen-Gretzky-Kurri
    Nilsson-Messier-Anderson
    Perreault-Mactavish-Lafleur..
     
  12. brachyrynchos

    brachyrynchos Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    386
    Trophy Points:
    59
    Thanks, for some reason I thought he was a free agent.
     
  13. CharlestownChiefsESC

    CharlestownChiefsESC Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    454
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Location:
    Laurence Harbor NJ
    I've always said if this and the rumored Shanahan deal occur the Rangers are contenders in the late 90s early 00s maybe even win another cup or 2
     
    brachyrynchos likes this.
  14. billybudd

    billybudd 1for the other thumb

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    21,124
    Likes Received:
    1,031
    Trophy Points:
    139
    It was probably that moron with the mustache who tried to fight Mike Richards writing it. Forget his name, but he's full of crap.
     
  15. FerrisRox

    FerrisRox "Wanna go, Prettyboy?"

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    12,847
    Likes Received:
    2,519
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    The contract would have been rejected by the league had it stipulated "Western Conference" as that would have, as you pointed out, been an impossibility for the Hurricanes.

    The deal did have a sizeable signing bonus ($14 million) a $2 million salary for remained for the season ($2 million) and a massive bonus for the making the conference finals ($12 million.) The deal was signed in late February and Carolina was on their way to missing the playoffs so the Conference Final bonus was very unlikely to be a factor for them.

    Fedorov joined the Wings and sure enough they advanced to the Conference Final, triggering the bonus. In the end, Detroit paid Sergei Fedorov $28 million for 43 games that season (21 in the regular season and 22 more in the post-season) but Detroit did win their second Cup in a row making it a lot more palatable.
     
  16. alko

    alko Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    5,155
    Likes Received:
    552
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Slovakia
    Home Page:
    Numerous names im really interested. Do you have some sources, where is more about it?
     
  17. FerrisRox

    FerrisRox "Wanna go, Prettyboy?"

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    12,847
    Likes Received:
    2,519
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    This one is probably closer than anything in this thread.

    I discussed, at length, though quite cryptically at the time, the Hossa-to-Montreal trade and I really can't get into much more detail right now because of the requirements of this website to reveal sources for information, but I worked for a major sports network at the time of that trade deadline and I can tell you that Marian Hossa to the Montreal Canadiens was reported as being a "done deal" very late in the evening the night before the trade deadline. In the lengthy thread on the Canadiens message board I stated it was a done deal. Within a half hour of posting that, and right as I was about to leave the studio I was told that the Canadiens were trying to expand the deal to possibly include Bobby Holik and/or Johan Hedberg, which would have been a massive transaction. I said "So it's not a done deal?" and I was told, "No, it's done, it just might be a bigger transaction." I asked how big a deal it would be, and was told that Holik wouldn't cost much and it would be more about balancing salaries. Keep in mind, this was pretty late in the evening. In the morning, only really hours later, I arrived at work and was told that there was now another strong bidder and that the Montreal Hossa deal "could fall through." The other team, however, was *not* the Pittsburgh Penguins. Leading up to the deadline, Atlanta seemed to be leveraging another team to get more out of Montreal (what they were offering up wasn't a King's Ransom by any stretch. I recall Ryan O'Byrne and Mikhail Grabovski being two of the roster players in the package and Guiallame Latendresse was also bandied about, though I don't think it was ever all three of those guys, just different combinations. In terms of the larger trade, I can't fathom why any scenario would have seen Johan Hedberg involved.)

    Anyway, right as it got down to the wire, one again, the Canadiens were the front runners and then with only minutes until the deadline, the Penguins made their offer and Montreal could not match the piece the Penguins were willing to dangle a piece, that, perhaps ironically, ended up being virtually worthless: Angelo Esposito.

    After the fact, I was told that if Montreal hadn't tried to add in Holik, the paperwork could possibly have been signed and sent to the league the evening before and there never would have been a chance for a last minute Penguins bid. Though Don Waddell might have waited until the following day just to see if offers increased. Who knows. Interestingly, the Thrashers ended up not trading Holik at all at the deadline.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2018
  18. ShelbyZ

    ShelbyZ Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2015
    Messages:
    1,483
    Likes Received:
    540
    Trophy Points:
    94
    I'm not sure that Essensa would've been part of a Fuhr deal. Essensa was who they ended up getting near the 94 deadline instead of goalies that Bowman wanted like Fuhr or Ranford. IIRC, Primeau was Buffalo's must have in a deal for Fuhr, and Sather wanted a kings ransom that included Osgood in exchange for Ranford.
     
    Jim MacDonald likes this.
  19. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Master Debater

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2002
    Messages:
    51,981
    Likes Received:
    9,821
    Trophy Points:
    246
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Not necessarily a blockbuster of a trade, but the Tampa Bay Lightning attempted to trade Chris Gratton to Chicago after he had signed an offer sheet with the Philadelphia Flyers. They had a trade agreed upon but the deal was blocked due to Gratton signing the offer sheet.

    Vernon Reportedly Traded to Sharks
    This New York Times article sheds more light as to what transpired. Seems like Phil Esposito was pretty incompetent at his job. I can think of a few reasons why...

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/20/...-to-trade-gratton-nhl-commissioner-rules.html
    To further demonstrate how incompetent Esposito was as GM, he decided to trade the four first round draft selections he would have received as compensation from the Flyers for signing Chris Gratton, and in return he received Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis. The four first round draft selections would turn out to be Simon Gagne, Maxime Ouellet, Justin Williams and Tim Gleason (Flyers traded down a few spots and gained an extra pick, the pick was used by the Senators to select Gleason).

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/21/sports/gratton-ends-up-with-the-flyers.html
     
    Hampe and Tarantula like this.
  20. ForsbergForever

    ForsbergForever Red Rocket

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,229
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Unfortunately I don't have many documentary sources available. The almost-Bondra deal was reported at the time in the Montreal Gazette which I might be able to find through online archives. I'm not sure who might have been going the other way but the deal didn't happen because Bondra started scoring again after only getting 21 goals the previous season. As for Pavel Bure, I recall the Habs reportedly offered Mark Recchi, Vladimir Malakhov and possibly Mathieu Garon but Vancouver wanted the younger Koivu instead of Recchi which killed the deal because even then the Habs were thin at center. Again the local sports section is my source, if I find the article I'll post it.
     
  21. Brodeur

    Brodeur Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    18,277
    Likes Received:
    1,228
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Location:
    San Diego
    Esposito addressed that Gratton saga in his book. I think he would admit that the "smudged fax" was basically a hail mary that he didn't expect to come through.

    Esposito was in a tough spot at that point in 1997. The franchise was put on sale for a year with no buyers, and thus had next to no financial support from the mystery Japanese group which owned it. Tampa had made the playoffs in 1996 (and missed by 3 points in 1997), so perhaps Esposito's ego/competitiveness thought that he could get them back in 1997-98.

    So he made the short sighted decision that he needed some players in return for Gratton rather than just take the draft picks. In the book, Esposito also makes some dubious claims the Flyers owner Ed Snider went over Esposito's head for the Renberg/Dykhuis trade and Esposito was forced to take it. If I recall correctly, Esposito said that the original trade was supposed to include Rod Brind'Amour as well.
     
  22. brachyrynchos

    brachyrynchos Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    386
    Trophy Points:
    59
    I wish I could remember the source, but the rumor was Shanahan to the Rangers for Kovalev and either Beukeboom or Matteau. Keenan had pretty much just settled in with St Louis, and it was said he grew impatient with the Rangers front office regarding the supposed trade and ended up making the deal to get Pronger.
     
  23. FerrisRox

    FerrisRox "Wanna go, Prettyboy?"

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    12,847
    Likes Received:
    2,519
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    It must have been Keith Primeau and Tim Cheveldae, not Keith Primeau and Bob Essensa.

    The Wings dealt Cheveldae that deadline to acquire Essensa. Essensa sounds like the Plan B when they couldn't land Fuhr.
     
    Jim MacDonald and ShelbyZ like this.
  24. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Master Debater

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2002
    Messages:
    51,981
    Likes Received:
    9,821
    Trophy Points:
    246
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    KOVALEV STAYS FOR NOW
     
    NYR94, Brodeur and brachyrynchos like this.
  25. brachyrynchos

    brachyrynchos Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    828
    Likes Received:
    386
    Trophy Points:
    59
    Thanks Ziggy! Kovalev was much more 'sought after' then I realized, one of the Rangers that seemed to be promiscuosly mentioned in alot of trade rumors, Savard, Dube, Sundstrom, Norstrom, Zubov, and Cloutier being the others.
    I think the proposed deal for Shanahan would've been a great deal for both teams, Rangers get a guy that could've made a difference in the East that had some tough teams with size especially come playoff time. Kovalev would've brought some nice offense to the Blues, and as enigmatic as he was perhaps he could've changed the Blues fate with guys like Gretzky, Hull, Hawerchuk, Corson, G. Courtnall. Matteau would bring his experience to a team that had 'Keenan' kind of players; Creighton, Noonan, Anderson, Zezel and Hudson. Maybe St. Louis has better success.
    Where Pronger would've ended up I don't know.
    Thanks again, I saw it recently but couldn't find it. Cheers.
     
    Ziggy Stardust likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"