Blue Jays Discussion: Beyond the Braves.

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Discoverer]

Any offer for Sam Dyson is definitely a "We'll give you this terrible minor-league org guy you've never heard of and take Dyson off your hands if you pay most of his salary" type of deal.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I'm going to ride out the Judge hot streak as long as possible for my fantasy team.

So... don't you bad mouth my best player.

2nd time through the league...sell now.

 

[metafour]

Yeah that's true. I'm not saying that Logan Warmoth has no chance of becoming a good pick, just that I find that players like Warmoth are really overrated as draft prospects. We all do make mistakes though, I remember thinking the Red Sox got a steal when they picked Trey Ball in 2013 .

Again, there isn't anything wrong with your analysis of average-tooled players. The issue is that you are miscasting Warmoth as one of those players when in reality he has real offensive upside (good bat speed, consistent hard contact with above-average speed) on top of a defensive profile that can easily stick at a premium position.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dyson - if you look at his play this year in a vacuum, he sucks

See what I did there ?

 

[Morgs]

2nd time through the league...sell now.

He's right now the only one that's contributing to the basic fantasy categories on my team that includes Posey (Traded Belt and Sandy Leon lol), Bryant, Seager, Machado (Traded Stanton, Rendon and the Dirty), Marte, Carpenter, Myers, and Braun. Also have Joey, who's slowed down after that nice stretch.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

He's right now the only one that's contributing to the basic fantasy categories on my team that includes Posey (Traded Belt and Sandy Leon lol), Bryant, Seager, Machado (Traded Stanton, Rendon and the Dirty), Marte, Carpenter, Myers, and Braun. Also have Joey, who's slowed down after that nice stretch.

Machado is going to start hitting any minute now. Carpenter will as well. Bryant and Seager are two of the best young hitters in baseball.

You could definitely sell Judge to someone high(AF) right now, for say a Betts + decent MI (think Turner) combo. Mind you, the hypothetical owner of those two would have to be a little slow, but that's the type of return I'm talking about.

 

[hoc123]

Again, there isn't anything wrong with your analysis of average-tooled players. The issue is that you are miscasting Warmoth as one of those players when in reality he has real offensive upside (good bat speed, consistent hard contact with above-average speed) on top of a defensive profile that can easily stick at a premium position.

I think our main difference is how likely we view Warmoth sticking at SS. I would probably like him much more (not be my favorite prospect, but be someone I would be fine with the Jays selecting) if I knew he could stick at shortstop. I just don't see it as particularly likely.

 

[zeke]

Machado is going to start hitting any minute now. Carpenter will as well. Bryant and Seager are two of the best young hitters in baseball.

You could definitely sell Judge to someone high(AF) right now, for say a Betts + decent MI (think Turner) combo. Mind you, the hypothetical owner of those two would have to be a little slow, but that's the type of return I'm talking about.

wait a sec....are you saying judge would cost the sox Betts PLUS?

 

[zeke]

I'm inclined to trust the FO for now in the draft given what Zeuch, Bichette, and Jones are doing already from last year. But that comes with caveats - Zeuch is solid but not spectacular, Jones may be an april blip, and the rest of the draft kinda looks like a barren wasteland already, even though there were a lot of older picks who should have been able to be productive already.

 

[zeke]

wait a sec....are you saying judge would cost the sox Betts PLUS?

oh you're talking fantasy. my bad.

 

[metafour]

I'm inclined to trust the FO for now in the draft given what Zeuch, Bichette, and Jones are doing already from last year. But that comes with caveats - Zeuch is solid but not spectacular, Jones may be an april blip, and the rest of the draft kinda looks like a barren wasteland already, even though there were a lot of older picks who should have been able to be productive already.

We hired a new Amateur Scouting Director after last year's draft so I wouldn't base too much on what we did last year. Despite popular belief, in baseball the draft is heavily conducted by the front office members who are allocated to Amateur scouting, which means that Steve Sanders is orchestrating most of these picks with influence from other high-ranking assistants (ie: Ben Cherington, Tony LaCava, etc).

We don't pick high enough for Atkins let alone Shapiro (LOL) to be making any calls themselves.

 

[zeke]

i mean, they replaced most of the scouting staff iirc. the results are on them.

 

[stickty111]

Hoffman off to a solid start. Hopefully not another mess up by AA

 

[zeke]

oh wait - you're saying all the firings came after the draft? so zeuch/bichette/jones are sorta AA picks?

 

[Discoverer]

oh wait - you're saying all the firings came after the draft? so zeuch/bichette/jones are sorta AA picks?

I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to say something like that.

 

[zeke]

SP Hoffman (24): 9gs, 5.2ip/gs, 21.9k%/8.0b%, 4.05era, 4.76fip, 4.14xfip, 4.19siera, 1.6awar/32gs
RP Hoffman (24): 3gms, 5.1ip, 17.4k%/13.0b%, 3.38era, 5.75xfip, 4.59xfip, 4.66siera, 0.6awar/65ip

Hoffman (AAA): 30gs, 5.4ip/gs, 23.1k%/8.6b%, 3.93era, 4.07fip, 4.27xfip

 

[zeke]

I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to say something like that.

i'm confused - who takes responsibility for last year's draft? who do i congratulate for the bichette pick?

 

[Cor]

i'm confused - who takes responsibility for last year's draft? who do i congratulate for the bichette pick?

Me.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

i'm confused - who takes responsibility for last year's draft? who do i congratulate for the bichette pick?

Knowing you? AA, somehow.

 

[Eyedea]

Maybe we should just thank Bo. He's the one that turned down other organizations to join the Jays.

 

[Discoverer]

i'm confused - who takes responsibility for last year's draft? who do i congratulate for the bichette pick?

I'm confused, too. I didn't realize it was that important to know who gets credit for each pick.

But if you really feel that need, it's probably best to just give credit to the person in charge when the pick was made. If you really want, you could work your way down the chain of command from the President to the GM to the AGMs to the Scouting Director and all the scouts responsible for scouting and signing a specific player, then assign credit based on who's responsible for hiring each of those guys. But... you know... that's weird.

 

[Woodman19]

Knowing you? AA, somehow.

Brian Parker, who was out in place by AA so I am round about way it was basically like AA himself made the pick

 

[Discoverer]

Knowing you? AA, somehow.

All the good stuff that has happened to this team since AA left is because of AA. All the bad stuff is because of Shapiro. It's really not that complicated.