Better Player: Tobias Rieder or Vinnie Hinostroza
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Vinnie is miles better, he has actual hands and vision on the ice. Plays with compete that Reider lacked and can actually move laterally as well as blazing forward speed
At his absolute best I think Rieder was the better player. But his peak didn't last all that long.
Played much tougher minutes with a two way game and could PK.
Hinostroza is much more creative on the ice and a better offensive player in general.
If Hinostroza repeats this season again, I'd take his two best years over Rieders best two pretty easily. We're comparing 292 games to 54 so that's a factor. These are the types of players who flame out. If Hinostroza proves to be even marginally more consistent than Rieder he'll be the winner of this at some point.
But as of right now I'd take 15/16 Rieder over 18/19 Hino, slightly.
Played much tougher minutes with a two way game and could PK.
Hinostroza is much more creative on the ice and a better offensive player in general.
If Hinostroza repeats this season again, I'd take his two best years over Rieders best two pretty easily. We're comparing 292 games to 54 so that's a factor. These are the types of players who flame out. If Hinostroza proves to be even marginally more consistent than Rieder he'll be the winner of this at some point.
But as of right now I'd take 15/16 Rieder over 18/19 Hino, slightly.
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I don't think it's really that close. Rieder was a tenacious puck hound to start out.
I like Vinnie, who has had a good stretch lately, but I don't think he's impacted games the same way Rieder did at his peak.
As Sniper notes, it wasn't a terribly long peak, but still higher.
I like Vinnie, who has had a good stretch lately, but I don't think he's impacted games the same way Rieder did at his peak.
As Sniper notes, it wasn't a terribly long peak, but still higher.
I added a poll, I like these questions 
I will say if THIS team traded Hinostroza for the best version of Rieder we'd might actually get worse. This squad needs Hinostroza's game more than it needs Rieder's.
The question is interesting because I think it's pretty close in the abstract, but based on need the answer could change.
We already have the best PK, Rieder would be redundant. But say Chicago with the league's worst PK? Probably helped more by a Rieder type.
I will say if THIS team traded Hinostroza for the best version of Rieder we'd might actually get worse. This squad needs Hinostroza's game more than it needs Rieder's.
The question is interesting because I think it's pretty close in the abstract, but based on need the answer could change.
We already have the best PK, Rieder would be redundant. But say Chicago with the league's worst PK? Probably helped more by a Rieder type.
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I go Hino. Better offensive instincts and shot selection. Can actually score breakaways with decent consistency haha.
However, I was never super high on Rieder to begin with.
However, I was never super high on Rieder to begin with.
moosemeister
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Rieder was an all around better player. But he’s fallen hard.
We will see if Vinnie improves or falls off
We will see if Vinnie improves or falls off
While we're talking about Coyotes tweeners, I'd take pre-Korpse Korpikoski over either one.
TheLegend
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This is the traditional request there really should be a Kyle Chipchura choice there.... 
Seriously speaking tho.....
Rieder was better defensively, Hinostroza is better offensively.
Rieder was made for the style of That Coach Who Shall Not Be Named, Hinostroza fits what Tocchet wants now.
We got Reider’s prime years before he got hurt (thanks Cory Perry.... you pr*ck!!).
Seriously speaking tho.....
Rieder was better defensively, Hinostroza is better offensively.
Rieder was made for the style of That Coach Who Shall Not Be Named, Hinostroza fits what Tocchet wants now.
We got Reider’s prime years before he got hurt (thanks Cory Perry.... you pr*ck!!).
Jormungandr
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I thought last night was an eye opening performance on his potential. I always just thought he was just a 3rd liner with upside.
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TL said:
To me the deciding factor, at least for now, is Hinostroza being "better offensively" hasn't translated to anything.
Peak Rieder was putting up very similar numbers, made an impact defensively, and and didn't disappear at stretches. Over a couple seasons, not just a month or two.
If we haven't seen peak Vinnie, then he could very well elevate above the bar. But so far, I've seen mostly flashes amid stretches of him just being "there". He's been more engaged of late, so maybe he turns a corner. That shootout goal was disgusting!
I like him. I'm glad we have him. I just think there is some recency bias at play here. Past month or so has been great for him. And Rieder fell off a cliff and is now a 4th liner.
Toby had wheels and was excellent defensively. But he comes with no hands, couldn’t figure out Tocchet’s system, and his agent is a space cadet.
So I pick Vinny.
So I pick Vinny.
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Hinostroza because he's playing well right now and he's a Coyote. I don't watch Rieder much anymore and he plays on another team so I know for sure he's not as good. 
Prarievarg
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I'd say hino as he has been better this year than a average Rieder season. Rieder peak though so far.
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Not just Rieder's avg. If you compare each players best season Hino comes out slightly ahead. I also prefer Vinnie's grit.
Toby has completely fallen off the planet this season. Zero goals in 50 games. His agent was right to have high salary demands. Must have foreseen a short career.
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The poll results are one sided, but I think Toby at his best is comparable to Vinnie.
