Better player - Sean Monahan vs Ryan Johansen

[Just Linda]

Simple enough poll, who do you feel is the better player.

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[TheNeutralPresident]

My first instinct was to ask "is there a neither option?"

Recency bias says Monahan but could just as easily be a symptom of playing with Johnny.

 

[The Abusement Park]

RyJo is the more talented player. His give a shit meter is also much lower than Monahans.

 

[Regal]

Both are kind of disappointments. I guess it should be Monahan for his regular season production. I feel like Johansen is better when he's on though, and has shown more in the playoffs. Maybe he'd look better on another team since forward production seems to die in Nashville.

 

[Fatass]

I like Monahan as a player. He’s a true number one centre. I really think Ryan Johanson is more of a second line centre.

 

[hamzarocks]

Monahan gets treated like he is a 55 point center who makes 8 million and shows little effort.

Ryjo fits that description better than Monahan. Idk why so many flame fans are always roasting the guy. They talk about him like leaf fans did regarding tyler bozak when he was our 1C.

Monahan is a quality 1C. Not an elite one but he is a sure 1C. Before this year he had 146 pts in 156 games the previous 2 years. That's a 77 point pace. I know he plays with Gaudreau but good players play with one another all the time. He shouldnt be criticized for having a talented linemate.

 

[Regal]

Monahan gets treated like he is a 55 point center who makes 8 million and shows little effort.

Ryjo fits that description better than Monahan. Idk why so many flame fans are always roasting the guy. They talk about him like leaf fans did tyler bozak when he was put 1C.

Monahan is a quality 1C. Not an elite one but he is a sure 1C. Before this year he had 146 pts in 156 games the previous 2 years. That's a 77 point pace. I know he plays with Gaudreau but good players play with one another all the time. He shouldnt be criticized for having a talented linemate.

Those numbers are somewhat skewed by one outlier season in 18-19 though. He has decent production but he's a bad defensive player who isn't very good at driving offense and whose effort level also comes and goes. If he's a 1C, he's on the very low end of it. There's at least 25 centers I take before him.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Those numbers are somewhat skewed by one outlier season in 18-19 though. He has decent production but he's a bad defensive player who isn't very good at driving offense and whose effort level also comes and goes. If he's a 1C, he's on the very low end of it. There's at least 25 centers I take before him.

But that just means he's capable of putting up those kinds numbers, and I wouldn't call him bad defesively.
RyJo has shown that he can too, but only in spurts. The extra 3+ mill/year well into his 30's and that contract doesn't look so good.
Right now I'll stick with what I have.

 

[Regal]

But that just means he's capable of putting up those kinds numbers, and I wouldn't call him bad defesively.
RyJo has shown that he can too, but only in spurts. The extra 3+ mill/year well into his 30's and that contract doesn't look so good.
Right now I'll stick with what I have.

I don't know if it does really. That was a year where everything went right for the team, and he's old enough to know what he is at this point and it seems unlikely he will hit those numbers again. Defensively, all his underlying numbers point to him being a negative defensively. Numbers aren't perfect, but at the very least I think it's hard to argue he offers much outside of his production. I would stick with Monahan too, especially with the contract differences, but I was mainly responding to the posters comments on why Monahan gets criticized so much. He's a good player, and he's a 1C in the top 31 center sense, but his strengths don't really jive with what you usually want out of your number 1 center

 

[Smokey McCanucks]

Monahan is a guy who I feel like he always gets a bad rap, but it seems like he always comes through with some big goals, whenever I watch the Flames if it's late in the third or when they are in a close game Monahan is the guy you really look out for. Him and Horvat were two guys I always saw as being similar sorts of players. Horvat is faster and better off the rush and Monahan is better in around the net and in the slot but they are both that sort of well-rounded 2c who is not necessarily a two-way guy but not a huge liability there either, and brings leadership and character.

Johansen plays more of a free-flowing kind of game where Monahan is more about playing a zone game inside the bluelines. I feel like Johansen has not really played on a team whose style fits with the style of game he wants to play and it shows more and more over the years. They have changed a lot of personnel in Nashville but I still think he could use a change of scenery, I think he would do well on a team like Carolina or Chicago where they open it up a bit more and have other top offensive guys to carry more of the load.

 

[Dack]

I'm not a Monahan fan and would trade him for much less than the average Flames fan. However Ryjo is always one of those names that makes me go ehhhh. He's been pretty good in the playoffs throughout his career and I might take him over Monahan but I don't think I'd make a straight across trade because of his contract.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Monahan is the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey, he keeps putting up numbers but gets no respect.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm a neutral fan and I think it is Monahan, but I think the difference is not by much.

Both are fringe 1Cs.

 

[DJJones]

Monahan is the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey, he keeps putting up numbers but gets no respect.

I hope they move him from center and try Lindholm. Monahan would be a legit top line winger.

 

[Mobiandi]

Not a huge Monahan fan but I absolutely can't stand Ryan Johansen

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

RyJo is the more talented player. His give a shit meter is also much lower than Monahans.

Yeah, I agree with this. Very disappointing player. Has all the talent to be a top 15-20 center. Monahan is not as talented, but he isn’t the underachiever that Johansen is.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, I agree with this. Very disappointing player. Has all the talent to be a top 15-20 center. Monahan is not as talented, but he isn’t the underachiever that Johansen is.

Yup. RyJo at full force is unplayable. The only issue is that you see that player like 15 times a year.

 

[majormajor]

In a playoff series I have a strong preference for Johansen over Monahan. Monahan gets wrecked in the toughest matchups, Johansen can handle them if he cares to.

In the regular season I'd prefer Monahan just because the part-time job approach of Johansen is such a drain on the spirit of the team. But he's still maybe better than Monahan in a lot of ways. Lower scoring currently but if he was the one flanked by Gaudreau the scoring totals would be reversed.

 

[Just Linda]

I think the biggest takeaway is that Nashville fans seem to be hibernating.