Better GM? Dubas or Benning

[Pyrophorus]

Like winning a couple playoff series?

So this is what Habs fans will be saying next year.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I thought he got a bunch of old and slow players and they were too dependent on the "Me 4". Thornton and Simmonds did nothing in the playoffs. Bogo was meh. Really missed the Kapanen speed. Foligno was a nice add but didn't work out with the injury.

Yes, and Kapanen won a round this ye....wait

 

[SotasicA]

Benning is worse. On paper, Dubas has a decent team he built. Just too bad they are underachieving losers. I mean, it's not entirely Dubas' fault.

Benning is probably just drunk when he shows up at the office. I can't defend him.

 

[Garthinater]

He absolutely is a bad GM. What has he done with the talent he was gifted? Let’s see

Gives Matthews, Marner, Tavares, and Nylander exactly what they wanted. In hindsight, the Nylander contract was good but he gave in to negotiations. These contracts created a privileged atmosphere in Toronto as he handed them what they wanted before they won anything. Matthews’ contract takes him to UFA. Marner gets 11 million off an entry level contract. The Tavares one was market value, couldn’t even get his hometown boy to take a slight discount similar to Shattenkirk in NY how NY told Shatty they won’t sign him at what other teams were offering. TBL and a few other teams offered 8x8 million. Shatty “only” gets 7x4. Same with Panarin, who also took less than what other teams were offering to come to NY.

Trading one of their only physical presences in Kadri for two soft players; Kerfoot and Barrie. Barrie was a bad fit from the start and to absolutely no ones surprise he wasn’t good for Toronto.

Trading a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau’s 6 million dollar cap hit. The 1st round pick ended up becoming 13th overall. Jeff Gorton trades a 2nd round pick during a pandemic to get rid of Staal’s 5.7 million dollar cap hit. Don Sweeney trades a 1st round pick along with Backes’ contract (6 mil) to return a middle 6 winger in Ondrej Kase. The same year he employs Cody Ceci at 4 million dollars

Buys into the hype that the Leafs are an actual contender, and not just dummying highly flawed Canadian teams without facing actual competition, and trades a 1st round pick for Nick Foligno, who does absolutely nothing with Toronto. And then his team loses to the worst team coming into the playoffs.

Brings in his boy Sheldon Keefe, who has been better than Babcock sure, but still not even good enough to get the Leafs past the first round...against Bergevin’s team.

Still has yet to address the goaltending issue in Toronto through 3 years. Still has yet to address the defensive issue through 3 years. And, still has a soft team which has been his mentality all along—which he’ll switch up from once he realizes that soft teams don’t do well in NHL postseasons

He won in a GM poll on here over Jeff Gorton, and Kyle Dubas has still yet to make a trade as good as Brassard for Zibanejad+2nd or even Rick Nash for Ryan Strome, Ryan Lindgren, and K’Andre Miller. He’s overrated because he’s Toronto’s GM

Good post.

Dubas made made very few productive moves as gm of the leafs. Yet so many have some how convinced themselves sthat he's actually a good gm lmao

How do you inheirt a 105 point team and after 3 years still have absolutely nothing to show but failure?

The correct poll option is "both are garbage".

 

[M2Beezy]

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-Bottom 10 of the league in 5 of last 6 years
-Virtanen over Ehlers/Virtanen
-No picks in top 80 last season
-2016 2nd worst team, no 2nd or 4th round pick, no accumualated picks

Its like hes never tanked, never rebuilt - instead spent to the cap, tried to build a contender - and built one of the lousiest teams in sports over the last 6 years

Unbelievably bad record for any sports franchise and somehow hasnt been replaced lol

Its not like any of those things are opinions, absolutely lousy results

And the biggest defense of his last handful of promoters is:
-Former GM Gillis left a mess (Tanev, Edler, Kesler, Sedins, Horvat, Markstrom)
-Covid is the reason for the bad season
-Schedule wasnt fare

 

[Captain97]

Dubas' plan might be flawed, but atleast he has one.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

You know I think Dubas is the worst GM ever my reason being is he is what started giving these massive contracts to players that didn't win anything and that started a trend in the NHL which basically screwed every single GM. Now every young super star wants 10+m there first contract and they haven't even sniffed the second round or haven't even made the playoffs.

 

[woinf]

You know I think Dubas is the worst GM ever my reason being is he is what started giving these massive contracts to players that didn't win anything and that started a trend in the NHL which basically screwed every single GM. Now every young super star wants 10+m there first contract and they haven't even sniffed the second round or haven't even made the playoffs.

The reason why every young superstar wants big money now is because that's literally their market value with the higher salary cap. People really need to stop expressing salaries as a raw number but as a percentage of the salary cap. Guys who asked for 6-7 million in the early 2010s would be asking for around 9 nowadays.

Take the Kings for example. Doughty got signed to 11% of the salary cap, before he had ever made it out of the first round. (Around 9 million today). Kopitar got 12% of the salary cap, for playing in a single playoff round. (About 9.8 million today).

One of the greatest players of all time, Ovie, got 19% of the salary cap (Around 15.5 million today!) for also playing in a single playoff round.

The examples I mentioned above ended up pretty damn well for the team that signed them. Here's one that didn't go so good. Dion Phaneuf. Who had never made it past the first round, signed for 13% of the salary cap back in 2008 (10.5 millionish today). Ouch.

For the poll, it's Benning guys, don't be silly lmfao.

 

[centipede2233]

Asking me who is better of these two is like asking me which cancer do I prefer

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Pretty sure agents love both of these guys.

 

[ScaredStreit]

What's better? No plan or a crappy plan? Went with Benning because I think Dubas's affect on the Leafs will be longer than Benning's on the Canucks.

 

[Suntouchable13]

He absolutely is a bad GM. What has he done with the talent he was gifted? Let’s see

Gives Matthews, Marner, Tavares, and Nylander exactly what they wanted. In hindsight, the Nylander contract was good but he gave in to negotiations. These contracts created a privileged atmosphere in Toronto as he handed them what they wanted before they won anything. Matthews’ contract takes him to UFA. Marner gets 11 million off an entry level contract. The Tavares one was market value, couldn’t even get his hometown boy to take a slight discount similar to Shattenkirk in NY how NY told Shatty they won’t sign him at what other teams were offering. TBL and a few other teams offered 8x8 million. Shatty “only” gets 7x4. Same with Panarin, who also took less than what other teams were offering to come to NY.

Trading one of their only physical presences in Kadri for two soft players; Kerfoot and Barrie. Barrie was a bad fit from the start and to absolutely no ones surprise he wasn’t good for Toronto.

Trading a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau’s 6 million dollar cap hit. The 1st round pick ended up becoming 13th overall. Jeff Gorton trades a 2nd round pick during a pandemic to get rid of Staal’s 5.7 million dollar cap hit. Don Sweeney trades a 1st round pick along with Backes’ contract (6 mil) to return a middle 6 winger in Ondrej Kase. The same year he employs Cody Ceci at 4 million dollars

Buys into the hype that the Leafs are an actual contender, and not just dummying highly flawed Canadian teams without facing actual competition, and trades a 1st round pick for Nick Foligno, who does absolutely nothing with Toronto. And then his team loses to the worst team coming into the playoffs.

Brings in his boy Sheldon Keefe, who has been better than Babcock sure, but still not even good enough to get the Leafs past the first round...against Bergevin’s team.

Still has yet to address the goaltending issue in Toronto through 3 years. Still has yet to address the defensive issue through 3 years. And, still has a soft team which has been his mentality all along—which he’ll switch up from once he realizes that soft teams don’t do well in NHL postseasons

He won in a GM poll on here over Jeff Gorton, and Kyle Dubas has still yet to make a trade as good as Brassard for Zibanejad+2nd or even Rick Nash for Ryan Strome, Ryan Lindgren, and K’Andre Miller. He’s overrated because he’s Toronto’s GM

About the D issue. He got Muzzin and Brodie whom are both top 4 guys, Brodie is a top pairing D. The defence actually wasn't the issue this year. What else can he do? The Hedman's of the world don't exactly grow on trees. He has done a good job with the defence.