Best "half seasons"

Plural

Registered User
Mar 10, 2011
33,711
4,858
I just want to clear up a thing.

Czech Your Math:

In your Art Ross rankings for each player, you removed the competition from US and Europe for every year?

Like for Ovechkin, he played in a league with only one Euro (himself) and the rest players were Canadians?

If that is the case, then the study is interesting but a bit misleading. How do we know the influence of team-mates? Too many factors to consider. But I agree that winning the scoring title was probably easier before the competition arrived from US and Europe.

Just not sure if this is a legit way to look at things. But then again, there is no perfect way. But if we take a look at the past from many different angles, it will give us a better picture when combining them.

Offensively speaking, there is many 90's players who gets a bit underrated due to the lack of hardware.

Was Kariya in his prime a player who you would think of being able to win the Ross? I would say yes. That is exactly what your study suggests.
 

Czech Your Math

I am lizard king
Jan 25, 2006
5,169
303
bohemia
I just want to clear up a thing.

Czech Your Math:

In your Art Ross rankings for each player, you removed the competition from US and Europe for every year?

Like for Ovechkin, he played in a league with only one Euro (himself) and the rest players were Canadians?


If that is the case, then the study is interesting but a bit misleading. How do we know the influence of team-mates? Too many factors to consider. But I agree that winning the scoring title was probably easier before the competition arrived from US and Europe.

Just not sure if this is a legit way to look at things. But then again, there is no perfect way. But if we take a look at the past from many different angles, it will give us a better picture when combining them.

Offensively speaking, there is many 90's players who gets a bit underrated due to the lack of hardware.

Was Kariya in his prime a player who you would think of being able to win the Ross? I would say yes. That is exactly what your study suggests.

Yes, that's how I created this "bizarro" hockey universe (also remeoving Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr). It's not the only way, perhaps not the best way, but a useful alternative way to look at things IMO.

Of course teammates is tricky. The main factors I quickly tried to consider were:

- did the player finish behind a non-Canadian teammate, and if so was it significantly behind?

- were they often linemates or did they just play together some on PP?

- did the player only hit such levels/rankings with this linemate or did they do so at other times as well?

It's difficult to balance simplicity and fairness. Kariya's a particularly tough one, because he played with an elite non-Canadian and didn't hit those heights without him, yet the linemate was neither clearly superior/inferior to him.
 

pdd

Registered User
Feb 7, 2010
5,572
4
Thanks for the explanation, and sorry for the lateness of my reply here.

Correct me if I'm misinterpreting the numbers, but wouldn't they suggest that Crosby's '11 ESGF/GA ratio and On/Off ratio were better than several of the names at the top of that list, including Lemieux and Jagr in '96?

If that's true, it wouldn't necessarily be the most accurate indicator of the best seasons, would it?

It's because Lemieux and Jagr played on separate lines.

When you have two players scoring at almost 2 PPG, and they're on separate lines, it's hard to bring up a stat like "GF On/Off" and show it in their favor ahead of another player who's scoring maybe 90-100 points while no other line on his team is producing significant offense.

Messier- wins in '87 w/o Gretzky?... wins in '90... wins in '92 if Hull considered U.S.
Gilmour- if Messier doesn't win in '87, then he does (second in '94)
Yzerman- wins in '89 (second in '90 & '93)
Hull- wins in '91 & '92 (but technically born in U.S.)
Recchi- likely wins in '91 if Hull considered U.S. (as Oates drops down as well w/o Hull)... wins in '00

If we're pulling out Hull, and that causes Oates to drop down significantly as well, I'm going to offer this statement: Recchi and John Cullen would both have dropped behind Yzerman if you simply remove Lemieux.

Furthermore, in 1991-92 there would be a chain effect seeing Kevin Stevens and Luc Robitaille drop behind Yzerman/Roenick, and as we pulled Hull out in 91 we can justify it for 92 as well. Which makes Messier the winner with Yzerman/Roenick tied for second. But then there's Leetch's 102 points; if you completely remove Brian Leetch, how much does it pull on Messier? Is it at least five points? And Roenick loses Chelios.

This is before the consideration that in 1990-91 and in 1991-92 Yzerman's production was down compared to his other prime years due to Bryan Murray's style of lineup, using the Wings' three best forwards - Steve Yzerman, Sergei Fedorov, and Jimmy Carson - to center three separate "first lines" with mediocre wingers, rather than put Fedorov or Carson with each other or put one with Yzerman. The Carson trade in 1993 relieved the center logjam, and allowed Yzerman to "be Yzerman" again; he went on a scoring tear from the moment Carson was traded until the end of the season. Before the trade, Yzerman had playd all 53GP, and had scored 37-36-73; which projects to 56-54-110 in 80 games (such as the previous few seasons) or 59-57-116 in 84 (as he played that season). After the Carson trade, he played all 31GP, posting 21-43-64 - clearly superior numbers. The projections? For an 80 game season, 54-111-167; for an 84 game season, 57-117-174.

If you remove Fedorov from the 1990-92 Red Wings, the team is not as good but Yzerman puts up higher numbers. Possibly similar seasons to his 89-90 season when it was Yzerman/Carson with no Fedorov, which is also extremely close in GPG and APG to his 87-88 season. It's even possible that in a two-center world, Yzerman outscores Oates in 1992-93 (the gap was only five points) and wins the Ross there as well.

That would put Yzerman with the following finishes (assuming removal of US/Euro)

1989 - 1
1990 - 2
1991 - 1
1992 - 1
1993 - 1

And finally, Hull was born in Canada, and plays for the US internationally as he was born a dual citizen and spent his childhood in Chicago (and learning to play hockey, despite the popular myth that he learned in Canada) before moving to Winnipeg when his dad became a Jet.

So ultimately, the winner in 1991 and 1992 would be either Brett Hull or Steve Yzerman, depending on whether you include Hull. As your list suggests that you do not, I would then place Yzerman as the winner. If you include Hull, Yzerman is in second place.

Yzerman would also likely be considered by many the best center to ever play the game after scoring 177-207-384 in 223 games from 87-88 through 89-90.

In '99, he was 5 points behind Kariya, who actually played on the same line as Selanne (unlike Sakic & Forsberg).

Sakic and Forsberg played together on the PP. It's one of the reasons Hartley tried them together at ES for a bit in the early 2000s.

Losing Forsberg could have no significant effect, or huge effect on Sakic. Remember though, Hejduk, Kamensky, Deadmarsh, and Drury are all ALSO gone. Also Ozolinsh. And Krupp. Pretty much all of the significant supporting case Sakic had in Colorado, gone. Except Mike Ricci. He's still around.
 

Czech Your Math

I am lizard king
Jan 25, 2006
5,169
303
bohemia
Yzerman would also likely be considered by many the best center to ever play the game after scoring 177-207-384 in 223 games from 87-88 through 89-90.

First, I should have considered Hull as Canadian for the purposes of my "thought experiment." I've believe that's been corrected now.

Yzerman has a great peak/prime ~'88-'93. He's closer to Lemieux & Gretzky during that stretch than anyone is to him (and those guys were in their primes, although Lemieux was of course hurt a lot, and Gretzky was mostly past his peak).

Maybe he would have placed higher (even second behind Hull) in an "all-Canadian" world in '92. If so, that would give him a 1st and three 2nds. If not, a 1st and two 2nds. So he probably would have had at least three top 2 finishes, perhaps as many as 5 (although more than 4 seems a bit of a stretch). We can also filter based on adjusted points in a player's best 3-5 seasons. This would give us a group something like this:

Ovechkin
Crosby
Malkin
Thornton
Forsberg
Selanne
Sakic
Yzerman
Dionne

That's the group to which Yzerman belongs in terms of prime production.
 

Fred Taylor

The Cyclone
Sep 20, 2011
3,174
31
I compiled some of the best "half seasons" in recent memory from game logs at HR.com. I did these rather quickly in my head, so there are likely mistakes or omissions. Feel free to correct such.

Some of the best 41+ game streaks from 1994-2012:
#|Player|Year|Gms|G|A|Pts|PPG
1 | Lemieux | 1996 | 41 | 45 | 64 | 109 | 2.66
2 | Jagr | 1996 | 42 | 36 | 51 | 87 | 2.07
3 | Francis | 1996 | 41 | 20 | 57 | 77 | 1.88
4 | Lemieux | 1997 | 41 | 31 | 46 | 77 | 1.88
5 | Gretzky | 1994 | 46 | 22 | 64 | 86 | 1.87
6 | Jagr | 2001 | 45 | 33 | 51 | 84 | 1.87
7 | Crosby | 2007 | 42 | 23 | 53 | 76 | 1.81
8 | Jagr | 2000 | 41 | 33 | 40 | 73 | 1.78
9 | Lemieux | 2001 | 43 | 35 | 41 | 76 | 1.77
10 | Fedorov | 1994 | 42 | 32 | 42 | 74 | 1.76
11 | Lindros | 1997 | 43 | 29 | 44 | 73 | 1.70
12 | Lemieux | 2003 | 43 | 20 | 53 | 73 | 1.70
13 | Ovechkin | 2010 | 52 | 42 | 46 | 88 | 1.69
14 | Thornton | 2006 | 44 | 17 | 57 | 74 | 1.68
15 | Selanne | 1999 | 41 | 31 | 37 | 68 | 1.66
16 | Bure | 1994 | 43 | 43 | 28 | 71 | 1.65
17 | Forsberg | 2003 | 45 | 20 | 54 | 74 | 1.64
18 | Jagr | 1997 | 44 | 41 | 31 | 72 | 1.64
19 | Jagr | 1999 | 52 | 27 | 58 | 85 | 1.63
20 | Lindros | 1995 | 42 | 28 | 40 | 68 | 1.62
21 | Lindros | 1996 | 47 | 36 | 40 | 76 | 1.62
22 | Crosby | 2011 | 41 | 32 | 34 | 66 | 1.61
23 | Ovechkin | 2008 | 41 | 36 | 30 | 66 | 1.61
24 | Lindros | 1999 | 41 | 25 | 41 | 66 | 1.61
25 | Kovalchuk | 2006 | 41 | 34 | 32 | 66 | 1.61
26 | Thornton | 2007 | 51 | 14 | 68 | 82 | 1.61
27 | Alfredsson | 2006 | 44 | 32 | 38 | 70 | 1.59
28 | Neely | 1994 | 44 | 50 | 20 | 70 | 1.59
29 | Jagr | 2006 | 44 | 30 | 40 | 70 | 1.59
30 | Sakic | 2001 | 62 | 44 | 54 | 98 | 1.58
31 | Malkin | 2009 | 42 | 17 | 49 | 66 | 1.57
32 | Selanne | 1996 | 42 | 22 | 44 | 66 | 1.57
33 | Fedorov | 1996 | 41 | 23 | 41 | 64 | 1.56
34 | Kariya | 1997 | 43 | 28 | 39 | 67 | 1.56
35 | Lindros | 1994 | 51 | 36 | 43 | 79 | 1.55
36 | Malkin | 2008 | 42 | 33 | 32 | 65 | 1.55
37 | Jagr | 1998 | 41 | 22 | 41 | 63 | 1.54
38 | Malkin | 2012 | 41 | 33 | 31 | 63 | 1.54
39 | Crosby | 2010 | 55 | 39 | 45 | 84 | 1.53
40 | Alfredsson | 2008 | 42 | 29 | 35 | 64 | 1.52
41 | Selanne | 1997 | 42 | 32 | 32 | 64 | 1.52
42 | Ovechkin | 2009 | 66 | 53 | 47 | 100 | 1.52
43 | Forsberg | 1996 | 41 | 16 | 46 | 62 | 1.51
44 | Sakic | 1996 | 41 | 23 | 39 | 62 | 1.51
45 | SedinH | 2010 | 41 | 13 | 49 | 62 | 1.51
46 | Yzerman | 1994 | 41 | 19 | 43 | 62 | 1.51
47 | LeClair | 1997 | 46 | 34 | 35 | 69 | 1.50
48 | Ovechkin | 2006 | 44 | 32 | 34 | 66 | 1.50
49 | Iginla | 2007 | 47 | 28 | 42 | 70 | 1.49
50 | Oates | 1994 | 43 | 19 | 45 | 64 | 1.49
51 | Forsberg | 2006 | 41 | 15 | 46 | 61 | 1.49
52 | Gretzky | 1996 | 41 | 12 | 49 | 61 | 1.49
53 | Thornton | 2003 | 41 | 26 | 35 | 61 | 1.49
54 | St. Louis | 2007 | 41 | 28 | 33 | 61 | 1.49
55 | Jagr | 1995 | 41 | 28 | 33 | 61 | 1.49
56 | LeClair | 1999 | 42 | 29 | 33 | 62 | 1.48
57 | Forsberg | 2001 | 41 | 15 | 45 | 60 | 1.46
58 | Stamkos | 2010 | 42 | 30 | 28 | 58 | 1.45
59 | Bure | 2001 | 41 | 38 | 21 | 59 | 1.44
60 | Sakic | 2000 | 42 | 22 | 38 | 60 | 1.43
61 | Gretzky | 1997 | 41 | 16 | 42 | 58 | 1.41
62 | Bure | 2000 | 46 | 40 | 25 | 65 | 1.41
63 | Elias | 2001 | 41 | 24 | 33 | 57 | 1.39
64 | Forsberg | 1998 | 41 | 16 | 39 | 55 | 1.34
65 | Forsberg | 2004 | 41 | 18 | 37 | 55 | 1.34
66 | Forsberg | 1999 | 44 | 15 | 43 | 58 | 1.32
67 | Gretzky | 1998 | 41 | 12 | 42 | 54 | 1.32
68 | Forsberg | 2001 | 66 | 27 | 59 | 86 | 1.30

Are these streaks all streaks from the start of the season? Or do these start at any point in the season?

Also, should that not be 39 games and 1.41 ppg for Forsberg in 2004?
 
Last edited:

JA

Guest
The list appears to calculate, from Bure's 1994 season, the streak between December 21, 1993 and March 28, 1994. If we were to calculate from December 21, 1993 straight to the end of the season (April 13, 1994), the streak would be 49 goals, 29 assists, 78 points in 51 games -- a much lower points per game percentage but more impressive in terms of goal scoring; one wonders how many goals he would have scored had he not been injured for two months between late October and December.

I think you are aiming to calculate his best point-scoring streak that season, so that 43-game stretch is appropriate. In April, he scored 5 goals and 1 assist in 7 games, a strong goal-scoring streak but barely a point per game pace.

Great work.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Fred Taylor

The Cyclone
Sep 20, 2011
3,174
31
Some of the best adjusted streaks from 1994-2012:

#|Player|Year|Gms|PPG
1 | Lemieux | 1996 | 41 | 2.54
2 | Jagr | 2001 | 45 | 2.01
3 | Jagr | 1996 | 42 | 1.98
4 | Lemieux | 1997 | 41 | 1.94
5 | Jagr | 2000 | 41 | 1.94
6 | Lemieux | 2001 | 43 | 1.90
7 | Lemieux | 2003 | 43 | 1.89
8 | Selanne | 1999 | 41 | 1.88
9 | Jagr | 1999 | 52 | 1.85
10 | Forsberg | 2003 | 45 | 1.83
11 | Lindros | 1999 | 41 | 1.82
12 | Crosby | 2007 | 42 | 1.82
13 | Ovechkin | 2010 | 52 | 1.80
14 | Francis | 1996 | 41 | 1.80
15 | Lindros | 1997 | 43 | 1.76
16 | Jagr | 1998 | 41 | 1.76
17 | Ovechkin | 2008 | 41 | 1.75
18 | Crosby | 2011 | 41 | 1.74
19 | Gretzky | 1994 | 46 | 1.74
20 | Malkin | 2012 | 41 | 1.73
21 | Sakic | 2001 | 62 | 1.70
22 | Jagr | 1997 | 44 | 1.69
23 | Malkin | 2008 | 42 | 1.68
24 | LeClair | 1999 | 42 | 1.67
25 | Thornton | 2003 | 41 | 1.66
26 | Alfredsson | 2008 | 42 | 1.65
27 | Fedorov | 1994 | 42 | 1.64
28 | Lindros | 1995 | 42 | 1.63
29 | Crosby | 2010 | 55 | 1.62
30 | Thornton | 2006 | 44 | 1.62
31 | Kariya | 1997 | 43 | 1.61
32 | Thornton | 2007 | 51 | 1.61
33 | Malkin | 2009 | 42 | 1.61
34 | SedinH | 2010 | 41 | 1.59
35 | Selanne | 1997 | 42 | 1.58
36 | Forsberg | 2001 | 41 | 1.57
37 | Kovalchuk | 2006 | 41 | 1.57
38 | Ovechkin | 2009 | 66 | 1.57
39 | Bure | 2001 | 41 | 1.56
40 | Sakic | 2000 | 42 | 1.55
41 | LeClair | 1997 | 46 | 1.55
42 | Alfredsson | 2006 | 44 | 1.55
43 | Lindros | 1996 | 47 | 1.55
44 | Forsberg | 2004 | 41 | 1.55
45 | Jagr | 2006 | 44 | 1.54
46 | Bure | 2000 | 46 | 1.54
47 | Forsberg | 1998 | 41 | 1.54
48 | Bure | 1994 | 43 | 1.53
49 | St. Louis | 2007 | 41 | 1.51
50 | Gretzky | 1998 | 41 | 1.51
51 | Iginla | 2007 | 47 | 1.51
52 | Selanne | 1996 | 42 | 1.50
53| Jagr | 1995 | 41 | 1.50
54 | Elias | 2001 | 41 | 1.50
55 | Fedorov | 1996 | 41 | 1.49
56 | Forsberg | 1999 | 44 | 1.49
57 | Neely | 1994 | 44 | 1.47
58 | Stamkos | 2010 | 42 | 1.47
59 | Gretzky | 1997 | 41 | 1.47
60 | Stamkos | 2012 | 41 | 1.47
61 | Selanne | 1998 | 46 | 1.46
62 | Ovechkin | 2006 | 44 | 1.46
63 | Forsberg | 1996 | 41 | 1.45
64 | Sakic | 1996 | 41 | 1.45
65 | Jagr | 2002 | 41 | 1.44
66 | Lindros | 1994 | 51 | 1.44
67 | Forsberg | 2006 | 41 | 1.43
68 | Gretzky | 1996 | 41 | 1.42
69 | Elias | 2000 | 43 | 1.42

I don't get why you put down 41 games for Forsberg's 2004 season? It was 39. Seems as though the ppg you put down for him reflects that you added those two extra games. I also don't understand why this ranks so low amongst half seasons once adjusted, that was the lowest scoring season of the dead puck era.
 

Czech Your Math

I am lizard king
Jan 25, 2006
5,169
303
bohemia
Are these streaks all streaks from the start of the season? Or do these start at any point in the season?

Also, should that not be 39 games and 1.41 ppg for Forsberg in 2004?

The streaks you quoted are for any 41+ game stretch in a single season. I posted different lists from start of season (posts 3 & 4).

The minimum is 41 games, so if a player played < 41, he is given credit for 41.
 

squaleca

Registered User
Jan 3, 2017
96
8
Um.. yes he was.

Over 82 games, Lemieux would have put up 90 goals and 218 points in 1996.

that season is still 12 all time in avg points per game he avg 2.3 which puts him at 188 points over 82 games in 96
your probably thinking marios 89 season when he scored 199 avg 2.618 which over 82 games puts him at 215 rounding up

wayne has the top 4 spots
marios has the 5th spot 199 point season

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-points-in-one-season-by-nhl-players.html
 

squaleca

Registered User
Jan 3, 2017
96
8
2.770 x 82 = 227 thats mind blowing ok take off 127 points off for the era he played in he still ties mcdavid for the league lead
 
Last edited:

squaleca

Registered User
Jan 3, 2017
96
8
actually mario's 93 season is 3rd all time which would have put him at 218 points over 82
with 2.667 ppg wayne has the top 2 at 2.770 227 over 82 and 2.668 which is basically tied
for 2nd with mario
 

Evergreen

____________
Sponsor
May 22, 2008
9,835
2,151
that season is still 12 all time in avg points per game he avg 2.3 which puts him at 188 points over 82 games in 96
your probably thinking marios 89 season when he scored 199 avg 2.618 which over 82 games puts him at 215 rounding up

wayne has the top 4 spots
marios has the 5th spot 199 point season

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-points-in-one-season-by-nhl-players.html

First of all, the post you just quoted was from January 2013. Secondly, I was going by the chart in the OP, where it said Mario had 45 goals and 109 points in 41 games. I was extrapolating based on a full season at that rate. So if he had continued that pace for a full season, he would have had 90 goals and 218 points in 82 games.
 

AfroThunder396

[citation needed]
Jan 8, 2006
39,128
23,186
Miami, FL
Patrik Elias was spectacular returning from Hepatitis in 2006. 45 points in 38 games, then 16 points in 9 playoff games.

The Devils were under NHL .500 at New Years and ended up winning the division. He was the catalyst and it was incredible to watch.
 

blood gin

Registered User
Jan 17, 2017
4,174
2,203
Patrik Elias was spectacular returning from Hepatitis in 2006. 45 points in 38 games, then 16 points in 9 playoff games.

The Devils were under NHL .500 at New Years and ended up winning the division. He was the catalyst and it was incredible to watch.

Such a fun year. The NHL really enforced obstruction rules all season and we ended up with so many exciting high scoring games. If only Elias was healthy the entire season I think we would've had the franchises first 100 point scorer.

Those 61 points in 47 games was about as good as I've ever seen a Devils forward play for any stretch.

Gionta with 48 goals that year as well, though I think he went on a big scoring binge late in the season and was never quite on a 50 goal pace. May have scored a few in that win over Montreal to wrap up the division.
 

FinProspects

Registered User
Sep 15, 2007
1,662
222
People need to realize:What made Sids 10-11 41 games so special was the streak. 25 games, 24+26. He started relatively quietlt and then, boom.

The best streak since,hmmm, Lemieux's 50ish games? Thats why the 10-11 is so special. As you can see, many players had more impressive ppg, but not the streak.
 

rintinw

Registered User
Oct 9, 2014
943
267
People need to realize:What made Sids 10-11 41 games so special was the streak. 25 games, 24+26. He started relatively quietlt and then, boom.

The best streak since,hmmm, Lemieux's 50ish games? Thats why the 10-11 is so special. As you can see, many players had more impressive ppg, but not the streak.

You mean like THIS one?
 

rintinw

Registered User
Oct 9, 2014
943
267
That Ovie's streak, was consecutive games right, like Sid's streak? Right? No? Yes?

EDIT: BTW, Ovie's peak ended in that stretch of games. Quite historical to be honest. After that he scored 8+13=21 in 20 games.

Oh, you meant streak as consecutive point streak, right? No surprisingly enough Ovie managed to get 3 zero point games during that 25 game stretch. But he had 9 games with 3+ points to offset that :laugh:
 

FinProspects

Registered User
Sep 15, 2007
1,662
222
Oh, you meant streak as consecutive point streak, right? No surprisingly enough Ovie managed to get 3 zero point games during that 25 game stretch. But he had 9 games with 3+ points to offset that :laugh:

Yep, and we know how hard it is to score in consevutive games,therefore Sid takes this.
 

NoMessi

Registered User
Jan 2, 2009
1,697
453
You mean like THIS one?

Didnt Kane have an even longer point streak just last year (15-16)? I don't really get it, since I know most of the people around here want to show numbers how dominant he is (and he is great, but still overrated in the historical sense imo), and yet I only see one streak that is better than Ovie and Malkin, and that was the season with high scoring which was a statistical anomaly after the big lockout (both 05-06 and 06-07 had absurd amount of power plays).

I can't look at those lists without thinking just how great Malkin really is, such a shame hes injured so often - what could've been :(

Edit: to clarify, Crosby is great - but I just don't see the separation between him and Malkin, or Ovechkin before his decline.
 

FinProspects

Registered User
Sep 15, 2007
1,662
222
Didnt Kane have an even longer point streak just last year (15-16)? I don't really get it, since I know most of the people around here want to show numbers how dominant he is (and he is great, but still overrated in the historical sense imo), and yet I only see one streak that is better than Ovie and Malkin, and that was the season with high scoring which was a statistical anomaly after the big lockout (both 05-06 and 06-07 had absurd amount of power plays).

I can't look at those lists without thinking just how great Malkin really is, such a shame hes injured so often - what could've been :(

Edit: to clarify, Crosby is great - but I just don't see the separation between him and Malkin, or Ovechkin before his decline.

Yep, Kane had 26game streak with 16+24=40,still doesnt quite match Sids 24+26 in 25.

This streak happened in 10-11, and the avg goals per game was 5.46,which is about the same as in 2016. After the lockout season the avg was 5.70. So how is 10-11 anomaly goal-wise?

And with Malkin, yes he has missed 10-20 games per season for years now. Was he, in any of those injury seasons, a shoe-in to win Art/Hart? Nope. He would have a lot more top5point finishes if not for the injuries, but not more hardware. Or that is at least very,very speculative.
 
Last edited:

rintinw

Registered User
Oct 9, 2014
943
267
I got interested in how common is for player to have 'half-season' (i.e. best stretch of games in a season at least 41 games long) like that. So I checked some players (~130 forwards) since 2006-07 season and I found that Crosbys half-season does not stand out (bolded in table below, still one of the best in last 12 years). What stands out though is his consistence how he can have such a period of dominance in seemingly every season.

Here are players I found having 'half-seasons' with at least 1.30 pt/gp (normalized to 3 GPG average):

Player|'half-seasons' over 1.30 (since 2006-07)|Best (start)|Season (GPG)

Sidney Crosby|1.89 - 1.77 - 1.66 - 1.66 - 1.60 - 1.56 - 1.52 - 1.45 - 1.40|76 in 42 (20.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Alex Ovechkin|1.84 - 1.78 - 1.60 - 1.50 - 1.46 - 1.37|88 in 52 (02.10.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Evgeni Malkin|1.78 - 1.71 - 1.66 - 1.53 - 1.48 - 1.32 - 1.32 - 1.30|71 in 45 (09.12.2011)|2011-12 (2.661)
Joe Thornton|1.72 - 1.51 - 1.43 - 1.41 - 1.40|71 in 43 (01.01.2007)|2006-07 (2.879)
Henrik Sedin|1.69 - 1.45 - 1.32|64 in 41 (28.10.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Daniel Alfredsson|1.68 - 1.42|64 in 42 (19.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Patrick Kane|1.67 - 1.46 - 1.45 - 1.40 - 1.35 - 1.33|64 in 43 (23.10.2015)|2015-16 (2.669)
Vincent Lecavalier|1.63 - 1.54|62 in 42 (05.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Jason Spezza|1.61 - 1.49 - 1.35|60 in 41 (20.11.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Ilya Kovalchuk|1.59 - 1.46 - 1.44 - 1.41|59 in 41 (14.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Jarome Iginla|1.58 - 1.56 - 1.37 - 1.31|62 in 41 (12.11.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Daniel Sedin|1.57 - 1.50|65 in 45 (23.12.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Pavel Datsyuk|1.55 - 1.52 - 1.44 - 1.32 - 1.32|62 in 42 (14.12.2008)|2008-09 (2.848)
Martin St. Louis|1.55 - 1.43 - 1.41 - 1.39 - 1.37|70 in 47 (22.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Dany Heatley|1.54 - 1.50|63 in 45 (04.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Henrik Zetterberg|1.53 - 1.45|57 in 41 (04.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Corey Perry|1.53|67 in 48 (12.12.2010)|2010-11 (2.732)
Marc Savard|1.52 - 1.34 - 1.34|60 in 41 (15.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Claude Giroux|1.52 - 1.48 - 1.32|57 in 42 (13.12.2013)|2013-14 (2.672)
Nicklas Backstrom|1.52 - 1.45 - 1.33|63 in 45 (01.12.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Steven Stamkos|1.51 - 1.51 - 1.50 - 1.43|59 in 44 (27.11.2011)|2011-12 (2.661)
Ryan Getzlaf|1.48 - 1.45 - 1.41 - 1.38|54 in 41 (20.10.2013)|2013-14 (2.672)
Brad Marchand|1.48|55 in 41 (30.12.2016)|2016-17 (2.725)
Connor McDavid|1.46|57 in 43 (06.01.2017)|2016-17 (2.725)
Jamie Benn|1.43 - 1.40|52 in 41 (09.10.2015)|2015-16 (2.669)
Alexander Semin|1.43 - 1.38|69 in 51 (11.10.2008)|2008-09 (2.848)
John Tavares|1.41 - 1.35 - 1.32|54 in 43 (06.10.2013)|2013-14 (2.672)
Marian Hossa|1.41|58 in 43 (06.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Marian Gaborik|1.40 - 1.37|53 in 41 (03.10.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Joe Sakic|1.40|74 in 55 (08.12.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Teemu Selanne|1.40 - 1.30|55 in 41 (31.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Phil Kessel|1.40 - 1.32 - 1.32|51 in 41 (30.11.2013)|2013-14 (2.672)
Patrik Elias|1.39|54 in 41 (16.11.2008)|2008-09 (2.848)
Jakub Voracek|1.37|50 in 41 (12.10.2014)|2014-15 (2.662)
Mike Ribeiro|1.37|51 in 41 (06.12.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Derek Roy|1.37|51 in 41 (01.01.2008)|2007-08 (2.720)
Tyler Seguin|1.37 - 1.36 - 1.31|50 in 41 (09.10.2015)|2015-16 (2.669)
Nikita Kucherov|1.37|51 in 41 (11.12.2016)|2016-17 (2.725)
Jonathan Toews|1.36|52 in 42 (01.12.2010)|2010-11 (2.732)
Jaromir Jagr|1.35|57 in 44 (06.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Brad Richards|1.35|51 in 41 (07.10.2009)|2009-10 (2.765)
Eric Staal|1.35 - 1.32 - 1.30|49 in 41 (28.12.2011)|2011-12 (2.661)
Jordan Eberle|1.35|49 in 41 (12.11.2011)|2011-12 (2.661)
James Neal|1.34|49 in 41 (10.11.2013)|2013-14 (2.672)
Zach Parise|1.34|56 in 44 (22.11.2008)|2008-09 (2.848)
Daniel Briere|1.33|56 in 44 (06.12.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Mike Richards|1.32|54 in 45 (11.10.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Chris Kunitz|1.32|48 in 41 (02.02.2013)|2012-13 (2.654)
Rod Brind'Amour|1.32|52 in 41 (12.10.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Kristian Huselius|1.32|52 in 41 (28.12.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)
Jason Pominville|1.32|55 in 46 (13.12.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Shane Doan|1.32|49 in 41 (28.12.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Alex Kovalev|1.32|49 in 41 (07.12.2007)|2007-08 (2.720)
Anze Kopitar|1.32|48 in 41 (18.12.2015)|2015-16 (2.669)
Michael Cammalleri|1.30|52 in 42 (17.12.2008)|2008-09 (2.848)
Olli Jokinen|1.30|60 in 48 (17.12.2006)|2006-07 (2.879)

Note: The difference between Czech Your Math numbers and mine is probably caused by using a little different league averages (I did not count SO "goals" into the average).
 

VanIslander

A 19-year ATDer on HfBoards
Sep 4, 2004
35,259
6,476
South Korea
The only one to stand out for me is the lower-tier offensive threat Alfredsson and his two highest-point seasons making a dent in the half-season rankings: 70 points in 44 games in 2006 and two years later his 64 points in 42 games.

2003-2004-Alfredsson-Celebration-vs-Leafs.jpg


(Two Alfie half-seasons and not a single Sundin half-season in sight! :D )
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad