Best Duo in modern NHL History?

[Seanconn*]

Who is the best duo?

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[Sens Rule]

Gretzky-kurri

 

[TasteofFlames]

There are plenty of good options like Hull-Oates, Bossy-Trottier, Selanne-Kariya, Lemieux-Jagr, etc.,but I have a hard time picking anyone other than Gretzky-Kurri.

 

[tjcurrie]

I'm the farthest thing from an oilers fan that you'll find, but I have a tough time not saying Gretzky-Kurri. Kurri was a damn good player, but Gretzky was obviously the catalyst there. And with a catalyst like that, in his prime, in the 80s, how could you NOT put up those numbers ? So while I will say that it's mostly due to Gretzky being Gretzky in that era, the numbers stand and it is what it is.

 

[Rhiessan71]

Some great duo's have been mentioned but Gretzky/Kurri has to head the list.
Another honorable mention should go to Lafleur/Shutt and even though one is not a forward, it's hard to not also include Orr/Espo IMO.

 

[Plural]

Gretzky/Kurri.

Kurri was a great player by his own, and yeah, Gretzky was Gretzky.

My favourite is Kariya/Selanne tough. Maybe followed by Jagr/Lemieux

 

[Tavaresmagicalplay*]

I'm the farthest thing from an oilers fan that you'll find, but I have a tough time not saying Gretzky-Kurri. Kurri was a damn good player, but Gretzky was obviously the catalyst there. And with a catalyst like that, in his prime, in the 80s, how could you NOT put up those numbers ? So while I will say that it's mostly due to Gretzky being Gretzky in that era, the numbers stand and it is what it is.

Kurris point totals actually increased the year after Gretzky was traded.

 

[Hardyvan123]

The Greenmen from Vancouver?

Pretty hard to evaluate, one could argue Zetts and Dats (for 2way play) but how often do they even play together.

On pure stats and longevity it's hard to beat Wayne and Juri though since Wayne is number 1 all time IMO.

 

[begbeee]

Ovechkin - Backstrom; Lindros - LeClair; Mogilnyj - LaFontaine; Sedins will also be named among best NHL duos in history

Some homer votes: Palffy - Stumpel; Demitra - Gaborik, Bondra - Pivonka;

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm surprised Lemieux-Jagr got so little support. When they played together, they probably were the best duo of all time. But they only played together regularly for two seasons, IIRC. So Gretzky-Kurri is probably the "right" answer - they played together for so long and complimented each other perfectly.

Some other HMs not mentioned:

Larry Robinson - Serge Savard
Jean Ratelle - Rod Gilbert
Adam Oates - Cam Neely (not as great as Hull and Oates but still great)

I'm interpreting "modern NHL history" to mean "post-expansion."

 

[Pear Juice]

Peter Forsberg and Markus Näslund were crazy good together as juniors. Shame they never really produced to the same extent when teamed up as seniors in the national team or in MoDo.

The Sedin brothers will go down as one the more succesful duos in history. I think they're especially significant seeing as they probably play together more than any other duo currently playing, while combining it with success (at least individually, so far). I'd be interested to compare their time playing together against other well-known duos. I suspected that they rank in the upper echelons of such a list.

 

[jepjepjoo]

I'm the farthest thing from an oilers fan that you'll find, but I have a tough time not saying Gretzky-Kurri. Kurri was a damn good player, but Gretzky was obviously the catalyst there. And with a catalyst like that, in his prime, in the 80s, how could you NOT put up those numbers ? So while I will say that it's mostly due to Gretzky being Gretzky in that era, the numbers stand and it is what it is.

Kurri was 8th in points the season after Gretzky left and 5 of the players in front of him in the points race were either Lemieux, Gretzky or their teammates.

 

[begbeee]

Uhm....what about Peter & Anton Stastny?

They played together 8 seasons and while Peter was mostly #1 or #2 on a team, Anton was right behind him and Goulet for whole time. IIRC they still hold some NHL rookie records.

 

[Plural]

Peter Forsberg and Markus Näslund were crazy good together as juniors. Shame they never really produced to the same extent when teamed up as seniors in the national team or in MoDo.

The Sedin brothers will go down as one the more succesful duos in history. I think they're especially significant seeing as they probably play together more than any other duo currently playing, while combining it with success (at least individually, so far). I'd be interested to compare their time playing together against other well-known duos. I suspected that they rank in the upper echelons of such a list.

I personally dont yet think the Sedins are one of the most successful duos. Two last years they have been producing at top of the league. But not enough yet, to overcome Selanne and Kariya, not to even mention Jagr/Lemieux or Gretzky/Kurri at this point. But maybe two more years, and they will be close/pass Selanne and Kariya. Not quite yet.

 

[Theokritos]

Mogilnyj

Side note: I've never seen anyone transliterate that name 1:1 like you do it here.

 

[Pear Juice]

I personally dont yet think the Sedins are one of the most successful duos. Two last years they have been producing at top of the league. But not enough yet, to overcome Selanne and Kariya, not to even mention Jagr/Lemieux or Gretzky/Kurri at this point. But maybe two more years, and they will be close/pass Selanne and Kariya. Not quite yet.

Indeed. This is exactly why I said I think they will go down as one of the more succesful duos (which doesn't imply they'll be on a gretzky/kurri or lemieux/jagr level). Maybe they're not there yet, but in the near future, they may very well be.

Main point I wanted to make though was their ice time together. With the other duos being discussed there's usually a dominant figure and a complementing figure (who in and of himself might be an historically great player). They quite often get split up at different occasions due to game situations, form or injury. The Sedin brothers plays all the time together and have done for their entire careers. I can't really draw any significant comparisons. By the end, barring career-threatening injury, they'll likely have played as constant linemates for their entire careers.

Again, absolutely not the best duo ever, but definitely one of the more interesting ones.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Kurri was 8th in points the season after Gretzky left and 5 of the players in front of him in the points race were either Lemieux, Gretzky or their teammates.

It is funny how you cherry picked an off season to supposedly show how little influence Gretzky had on Kurri, and then make the excuse that some of the guys ahead of him when he played without Gretzky were influenced by... Gretzky.

Well done.

We'll just ignore the fact that the Oilers still had one cup left in them and Kurri had 100 point center Jimmy Carson and 94 point Mark Messier to play with that year in Gretzky's absence. Must have been real rough on him.

 

[pnep]

1987-2011 - Regular Season - Skater - Point Pairs - Team Goals Where Both Players Record a Point

#|Season| Team |Player 1 and Player 2| Team Goals | Team Goals w/ Both Players Point |%
1|2010-11|VAN|Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin|258| 73 |28.29%
2|2010-11|TBL|Martin St Louis and Steven Stamkos|241| 62 |25.73%
3|2010-11|ANA|Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry|235| 54 |22.98%
4|2010-11|CGY|Jarome Iginla and Alex Tanguay|241| 46 |19.09%
5|2010-11|DAL|Loui Eriksson and Brad Richards|222| 41 |18.47%
6|2010-11|ANA|Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan|235| 38 |16.17%
6|2010-11|WSH|Nicklas Backstrom and Alex Ovechkin|219| 38 |17.35%
8|2010-11|BOS|David Krejci and Milan Lucic|244| 37 |15.16%
9|2010-11|NYI|PA Parenteau and John Tavares|225| 36 |16.00%
9|2010-11|TOR|Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur|213| 36 |16.90%
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1|2009-10|VAN|Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin|268| 71 |26.49%
2|2009-10|TBL|Martin St Louis and Steven Stamkos|213| 56 |26.29%
2|2009-10|WSH|Nicklas Backstrom and Alex Ovechkin|313| 56 |17.89%
4|2009-10|SJS|Dany Heatley and Joe Thornton|257| 51 |19.84%
5|2009-10|DAL|Loui Eriksson and Brad Richards|230| 46 |20.00%
6|2009-10|MIN|Andrew Brunette and Mikko Koivu|214| 42 |19.63%
7|2009-10|NJD|Zach Parise and Travis Zajac|216| 41 |18.98%
7|2009-10|VAN|Alexandre Burrows and Henrik Sedin|268| 41 |15.30%
9|2009-10|SJS|Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton|257| 37 |14.40%
10|2009-10|CHI|Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews|262| 36 |13.74%
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1|2008-09|VAN|Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin|243| 58 |23.87%
2|2008-09|PIT|Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin|258| 53 |20.54%
3|2008-09|NJD|Jamie Langenbrunner and Zach Parise|238| 48 |20.17%
4|2008-09|NJD|Zach Parise and Travis Zajac|238| 45 |18.91%
4|2008-09|WSH|Nicklas Backstrom and Alex Ovechkin|268| 45 |16.79%
6|2008-09|CGY|Michael Cammalleri and Jarome Iginla|251| 42 |16.73%
7|2008-09|ANA|Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry|238| 39 |16.39%
8|2008-09|OTT|Daniel Alfredsson and Jason Spezza|213| 38 |17.84%
8|2008-09|PHI|Simon Gagne and Mike Richards|260| 38 |14.62%
8|2008-09|SJS|Devin Setoguchi and Joe Thornton|251| 38 |15.14%
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1|2007-08|VAN|Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin|207| 53 |25.60%
2|2007-08|TBL|Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St Louis|221| 51 |23.08%
3|2007-08|DAL|Brenden Morrow and Mike Ribeiro|237| 48 |20.25%
3|2007-08|DET|Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg|252| 48 |19.05%
5|2007-08|NSH|Jason Arnott and J-P Dumont|227| 46 |20.26%
6|2007-08|OTT|Dany Heatley and Jason Spezza|258| 45 |17.44%
7|2007-08|MTL|Alex Kovalev and Tomas Plekanec|257| 42 |16.34%
8|2007-08|LAK|Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar|226| 41 |18.14%
8|2007-08|OTT|Daniel Alfredsson and Jason Spezza|258| 41 |15.89%
10|2007-08|PIT|Evgeni Malkin and Petr Sykora|240| 39 |16.25%
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1|2006-07|VAN|Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin|217| 65 |29.95%
2|2006-07|TBL|Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St Louis|243| 60 |24.69%
3|2006-07|ATL|Marian Hossa and Vyacheslav Kozlov|239| 57 |23.85%
3|2006-07|OTT|Dany Heatley and Jason Spezza|286| 57 |19.93%
5|2006-07|COL|Andrew Brunette and Joe Sakic|267| 56 |20.97%
6|2006-07|ANA|Andy McDonald and Teemu Selanne|254| 48 |18.90%
6|2006-07|CAR|Rod Brind'Amour and Ray Whitney|241| 48 |19.92%
8|2006-07|SJS|Jonathan Cheechoo and Joe Thornton|256| 47 |18.36%
9|2006-07|NYR|Jaromir Jagr and Michael Nylander|233| 46 |19.74%
10|2006-07|PIT|Sidney Crosby and Mark Recchi|267| 44 |16.48%
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1|2005-06|OTT|Dany Heatley and Jason Spezza|312| 57 |18.27%
1|2005-06|SJS|Jonathan Cheechoo and Joe Thornton|265| 57 |21.51%
3|2005-06|VAN|Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin|252| 55 |21.83%
4|2005-06|OTT|Daniel Alfredsson and Dany Heatley|312| 54 |17.31%
5|2005-06|NYR|Jaromir Jagr and Michael Nylander|250| 50 |20.00%
6|2005-06|ANA|Andy McDonald and Teemu Selanne|251| 48 |19.12%
6|2005-06|NJD|Brian Gionta and Scott Gomez|233| 48 |20.60%
6|2005-06|NYR|Jaromir Jagr and Martin Straka|250| 48 |19.20%
9|2005-06|VAN|Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund|252| 45 |17.86%
10|2005-06|ATL|Ilya Kovalchuk and Marc Savard|276| 44 |15.94%
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1|2003-04|NJD|Patrik Elias and Scott Gomez|213| 45 |21.13%
2|2003-04|VAN|Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund|235| 43 |18.30%
3|2003-04|DET|Pavel Datsyuk and Brett Hull|255| 41 |16.08%
3|2003-04|TBL|Brad Richards and Cory Stillman|245| 41 |16.73%
5|2003-04|BOS|Glen Murray and Joe Thornton|209| 38 |18.18%
5|2003-04|COL|Milan Hejduk and Alex Tanguay|236| 38 |16.10%
5|2003-04|VAN|Brendan Morrison and Markus Naslund|235| 38 |16.17%
8|2003-04|STL|Pavol Demitra and Keith Tkachuk|191| 36 |18.85%
9|2003-04|DAL|Jason Arnott and Bill Guerin|194| 33 |17.01%
10|2003-04|VAN|Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin|235| 32 |13.62%
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1|2002-03|VAN|Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund|264| 69 |26.14%
2|2002-03|BOS|Glen Murray and Joe Thornton|245| 65 |26.53%
3|2002-03|COL|Peter Forsberg and Milan Hejduk|251| 59 |23.51%
4|2002-03|VAN|Brendan Morrison and Markus Naslund|264| 43 |16.29%
5|2002-03|CBJ|Andrew Cassels and Geoff Sanderson|213| 40 |18.78%
5|2002-03|PIT|Alex Kovalev and Mario Lemieux|189| 40 |21.16%
7|2002-03|CAR|Ron Francis and Jeff O'Neill|171| 39 |22.81%
7|2002-03|VAN|Todd Bertuzzi and Brendan Morrison|264| 39 |14.77%
9|2002-03|BOS|Mike Knuble and Joe Thornton|245| 37 |15.10%
9|2002-03|COL|Milan Hejduk and Alex Tanguay|251| 37 |14.74%
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1|2001-02|CGY|Craig Conroy and Jarome Iginla|201| 46 |22.89%
2|2001-02|VAN|Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund|254| 44 |17.32%
3|2001-02|CHI|Tony Amonte and Alexei Zhamnov|216| 40 |18.52%
3|2001-02|STL|Pavol Demitra and Keith Tkachuk|227| 40 |17.62%
5|2001-02|CAR|Ron Francis and Jeff O'Neill|217| 39 |17.97%
5|2001-02|CAR|Sami Kapanen and Ron Francis|217| 39 |17.97%
5|2001-02|MIN|Andrew Brunette and Marian Gaborik|195| 39 |20.00%
8|2001-02|DET|Sergei Fedorov and Brendan Shanahan|251| 38 |15.14%
8|2001-02|OTT|Radek Bonk and Marian Hossa|243| 38 |15.64%
10|2001-02|TOR|Mikael Renberg and Mats Sundin|249| 37 |14.86%
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1|2000-01|PIT|Jaromir Jagr and Mario Lemieux|281| 53 |18.86%
2|2000-01|NJD|Patrik Elias and Petr Sykora|295| 52 |17.63%
3|2000-01|COL|Milan Hejduk and Joe Sakic|270| 48 |17.78%
4|2000-01|PHI|Keith Primeau and Mark Recchi|240| 47 |19.58%
5|2000-01|COL|Joe Sakic and Alex Tanguay|270| 46 |17.04%
5|2000-01|OTT|Shawn McEachern and Alexei Yashin|274| 46 |16.79%
5|2000-01|PIT|Alex Kovalev and Martin Straka|281| 46 |16.37%
8|2000-01|PHX|Jeremy Roenick and Keith Tkachuk|214| 45 |21.03%
9|2000-01|ATL|Donald Audette and Ray Ferraro|211| 44 |20.85%
9|2000-01|NYR|Jan Hlavac and Petr Nedved|250| 44 |17.60%
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1|1999-00|ANA|Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne|217| 51 |23.50%
2|1999-00|NJD|Patrik Elias and Petr Sykora|251| 47 |18.73%
3|1999-00|SJS|Vincent Damphousse and Owen Nolan|225| 39 |17.33%
4|1999-00|SJS|Jeff Friesen and Owen Nolan|225| 37 |16.44%
5|1999-00|PHI|John Leclair and Eric Lindros|237| 35 |14.77%
5|1999-00|TOR|Mats Sundin and Steve Thomas|246| 35 |14.23%
7|1999-00|TOR|Jonas Hoglund and Steve Thomas|246| 34 |13.82%
7|1999-00|VAN|Mark Messier and Markus Naslund|227| 34 |14.98%
9|1999-00|FLA|Pavel Bure and Viktor Kozlov|244| 33 |13.52%
9|1999-00|LAK|Glen Murray and Bryan Smolinski|245| 33 |13.47%
9|1999-00|LAK|Luc Robitaille and Ziggy Palffy|245| 33 |13.47%
9|1999-00|NYR|Theo Fleury and Mike York|218| 33 |15.14%
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1|1998-99|PHI|John Leclair and Eric Lindros|231| 58 |25.11%
2|1998-99|ANA|Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne|215| 57 |26.51%
3|1998-99|TOR|Mats Sundin and Steve Thomas|268| 50 |18.66%
4|1998-99|PIT|Jaromir Jagr and Martin Straka|242| 48 |19.83%
5|1998-99|COL|Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic|239| 43 |17.99%
6|1998-99|PHX|Jeremy Roenick and Keith Tkachuk|205| 38 |18.54%
7|1998-99|BOS|Jason Allison and Dmitri Khristich|214| 37 |17.29%
7|1998-99|NJD|Jason Arnott and Petr Sykora|248| 37 |14.92%
9|1998-99|STL|Pavol Demitra and Pierre Turgeon|237| 36 |15.19%
10|1998-99|CAR|Keith Primeau and Ray Sheppard|210| 35 |16.67%
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1|1997-98|PIT|Ron Francis and Jaromir Jagr|228| 64 |28.07%
2|1997-98|PIT|Stu Barnes and Jaromir Jagr|228| 38 |16.67%
3|1997-98|NYR|Wayne Gretzky and Niklas Sundstrom|197| 37 |18.78%
4|1997-98|VAN|Pavel Bure and Mark Messier|224| 36 |16.07%
5|1997-98|COL|Peter Forsberg and Valeri Kamensky|231| 34 |14.72%
5|1997-98|PHI|John Leclair and Eric Lindros|242| 34 |14.05%
7|1997-98|MTL|Saku Koivu and Mark Recchi|235| 32 |13.62%
7|1997-98|NYI|Ziggy Palffy and Robert Reichel|212| 32 |15.09%
7|1997-98|PIT|Stu Barnes and Ron Francis|228| 32 |14.04%
7|1997-98|STL|Brett Hull and Pierre Turgeon|256| 32 |12.50%
7|1997-98|WSH|Peter Bondra and Adam Oates|219| 32 |14.61%
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1|1996-97|ANA|Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne|245| 61 |24.90%
2|1996-97|PIT|Jaromir Jagr and Mario Lemieux|285| 52 |18.25%
3|1996-97|PIT|Ron Francis and Mario Lemieux|285| 48 |16.84%
4|1996-97|PIT|Ron Francis and Jaromir Jagr|285| 43 |15.09%
5|1996-97|HFD|Andrew Cassels and Geoff Sanderson|226| 42 |18.58%
6|1996-97|ANA|Paul Kariya and Steve Rucchin|245| 41 |16.73%
6|1996-97|ANA|Steve Rucchin and Paul Kariya|245| 41 |16.73%
6|1996-97|STL|Brett Hull and Pierre Turgeon|236| 41 |17.37%
9|1996-97|CHI|Tony Amonte and Alexei Zhamnov|223| 40 |17.94%
10|1996-97|NYR|Adam Graves and Mark Messier|258| 39 |15.12%
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1|1995-96|PIT|Ron Francis and Jaromir Jagr|362| 69 |19.06%
2|1995-96|PIT|Jaromir Jagr and Petr Nedved|362| 56 |15.47%
3|1995-96|EDM|Zdeno Ciger and Doug Weight|240| 55 |22.92%
4|1995-96|PHI|John Leclair and Eric Lindros|282| 54 |19.15%
5|1995-96|WSH|Peter Bondra and Michal Pivonka|234| 52 |22.22%
6|1995-96|MTL|Mark Recchi and Pierre Turgeon|265| 51 |19.25%
7|1995-96|PIT|Ron Francis and Mario Lemieux|362| 50 |13.81%
7|1995-96|PIT|Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr|362| 50 |13.81%
9|1995-96|PIT|Mario Lemieux and Tomas Sandstrom|362| 48 |13.26%
10|1995-96|COL|Peter Forsberg and Claude Lemieux|326| 45 |13.80%
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1|1994-95|PIT|Ron Francis and Jaromir Jagr|181| 41 |22.65%
2|1994-95|PHI|Eric Lindros and Mikael Renberg|150| 37 |24.67%
3|1994-95|QUE|Peter Forsberg and Owen Nolan|185| 32 |17.30%
4|1994-95|PHI|John Leclair and Eric Lindros|150| 31 |20.67%
5|1994-95|PHI|John Leclair and Mikael Renberg|150| 29 |19.33%
6|1994-95|BOS|Cam Neely and Adam Oates|150| 25 |16.67%
7|1994-95|WIN|Teemu Selanne and Alexei Zhamnov|157| 24 |15.29%
8|1994-95|CHI|Joe Murphy and Bernie Nicholls|156| 22 |14.10%
8|1994-95|NYR|Adam Graves and Mark Messier|139| 22 |15.83%
8|1994-95|WIN|Teemu Selanne and Keith Tkachuk|157| 22 |14.01%
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1|1993-94|TOR|Dave Andreychuk and Doug Gilmour|280| 61 |21.79%
2|1993-94|DET|Sergei Fedorov and Vyacheslav Kozlov|356| 49 |13.76%
2|1993-94|LAK|Wayne Gretzky and Jari Kurri|294| 49 |16.67%
4|1993-94|CHI|Joe Murphy and Jeremy Roenick|254| 47 |18.50%
5|1993-94|MTL|Brian Bellows and Vincent Damphousse|283| 46 |16.25%
5|1993-94|STL|Craig Janney and Brendan Shanahan|270| 46 |17.04%
7|1993-94|BOS|Cam Neely and Adam Oates|289| 43 |14.88%
8|1993-94|NYI|Derek King and Pierre Turgeon|282| 42 |14.89%
8|1993-94|NYI|Pierre Turgeon and Derek King|282| 42 |14.89%
10|1993-94|PHI|Eric Lindros and Mark Recchi|294| 41 |13.95%
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1|1992-93|BUF|Pat LaFontaine and Alexander Mogilny|335| 76 |22.69%
2|1992-93|BOS|Joseph Juneau and Adam Oates|332| 61 |18.37%
3|1992-93|STL|Craig Janney and Brendan Shanahan|282| 60 |21.28%
4|1992-93|PIT|Mario Lemieux and Rick Tocchet|367| 57 |15.53%
5|1992-93|PIT|Mario Lemieux and Kevin Stevens|367| 56 |15.26%
6|1992-93|NYI|Steve Thomas and Pierre Turgeon|335| 55 |16.42%
7|1992-93|DET|Dino Ciccarelli and Steve Yzerman|369| 53 |14.36%
8|1992-93|NYI|Derek King and Pierre Turgeon|335| 48 |14.33%
8|1992-93|VAN|Trevor Linden and Clifford Ronning|346| 48 |13.87%
10|1992-93|PHI|Eric Lindros and Mark Recchi|319| 47 |14.73%
10|1992-93|WIN|Philip Housley and Teemu Selanne|322| 47 |14.60%
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1|1991-92|PIT|Mario Lemieux and Kevin Stevens|343| 61 |17.78%
2|1991-92|CHI|Steve Larmer and Jeremy Roenick|257| 50 |19.46%
3|1991-92|CHI|Michel Goulet and Jeremy Roenick|257| 44 |17.12%
3|1991-92|NYI|Steve Thomas and Pierre Turgeon|291| 44 |15.12%
5|1991-92|LAK|Wayne Gretzky and Luc Robitaille|287| 43 |14.98%
5|1991-92|LAK|Jari Kurri and Wayne Gretzky|287| 43 |14.98%
7|1991-92|NYI|Ray Ferraro and Benoit Hogue|291| 42 |14.43%
7|1991-92|NYI|Derek King and Pierre Turgeon|291| 42 |14.43%
7|1991-92|NYR|Tony Amonte and Mark Messier|321| 42 |13.08%
10|1991-92|CGY|Sergei Makarov and Gary Roberts|296| 41 |13.85%
10|1991-92|EDM|Vincent Damphousse and Joe Murphy|295| 41 |13.90%
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1|1990-91|LAK|Wayne Gretzky and Tomas Sandstrom|340| 69 |20.29%
2|1990-91|STL|Brett Hull and Adam Oates|310| 62 |20.00%
3|1990-91|CHI|Steve Larmer and Jeremy Roenick|284| 51 |17.96%
4|1990-91|LAK|Tony Granato and Wayne Gretzky|340| 48 |14.12%
5|1990-91|HFD|Ron Francis and Pat Verbeek|238| 43 |18.07%
6|1990-91|BOS|Craig Janney and Cam Neely|299| 41 |13.71%
7|1990-91|CHI|Michel Goulet and Jeremy Roenick|284| 40 |14.08%
7|1990-91|PIT|John Cullen and Mark Recchi|342| 40 |11.70%
9|1990-91|QUE|Joe Sakic and Mats Sundin|236| 39 |16.53%
10|1990-91|PIT|John Cullen and Kevin Stevens|342| 37 |10.82%
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1|1989-90|TOR|Gary Leeman and Eddie Olczyk|337| 59 |17.51%
2|1989-90|HFD|Ron Francis and Pat Verbeek|275| 57 |20.73%
3|1989-90|TOR|Vincent Damphousse and Daniel Marois|337| 52 |15.43%
4|1989-90|BUF|Dave Andreychuk and Pierre Turgeon|286| 49 |17.13%
4|1989-90|PIT|Paul Coffey and Mario Lemieux|318| 49 |15.41%
6|1989-90|DET|Gerard Gallant and Steve Yzerman|288| 47 |16.32%
6|1989-90|EDM|Glenn Anderson and Mark Messier|315| 47 |14.92%
8|1989-90|NJD|John MacLean and Patrik Sundstrom|295| 44 |14.92%
9|1989-90|MTL|Shayne Corson and Stephane Richer|288| 43 |14.93%
10|1989-90|CGY|Doug Gilmour and Joe Mullen|348| 42 |12.07%
10|1989-90|CGY|Joe Mullen and Doug Gilmour|348| 42 |12.07%
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1|1988-89|PIT|Robert Brown and Mario Lemieux|347| 70 |20.17%
2|1988-89|PIT|Paul Coffey and Mario Lemieux|347| 66 |19.02%
3|1988-89|LAK|Wayne Gretzky and Bernie Nicholls|376| 64 |17.02%
4|1988-89|DET|Gerard Gallant and Steve Yzerman|313| 62 |19.81%
5|1988-89|DET|Paul Maclean and Steve Yzerman|313| 53 |16.93%
6|1988-89|CGY|Doug Gilmour and Joe Mullen|354| 51 |14.41%
7|1988-89|MTL|Mats Naslund and Bobby Smith|315| 50 |15.87%
8|1988-89|TOR|Gary Leeman and Eddie Olczyk|259| 49 |18.92%
9|1988-89|LAK|Bernie Nicholls and Luc Robitaille|376| 47 |12.50%
10|1988-89|PIT|Bob Errey and Mario Lemieux|347| 45 |12.97%
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1|1987-88|CHI|Steve Larmer and Denis Savard|284| 64 |22.54%
2|1987-88|EDM|Wayne Gretzky and Jari Kurri|363| 58 |15.98%
3|1987-88|LAK|James Carson and Luc Robitaille|318| 53 |16.67%
4|1987-88|QUE|Michel Goulet and Peter Stastny|271| 52 |19.19%
5|1987-88|NJD|Kirk Muller and Pat Verbeek|295| 49 |16.61%
6|1987-88|NJD|Aaron Broten and Kirk Muller|295| 46 |15.59%
7|1987-88|EDM|Wayne Gretzky and Esa Tikkanen|363| 45 |12.40%
7|1987-88|WIN|Dale Hawerchuk and Paul Maclean|292| 45 |15.41%
9|1987-88|CGY|Hakan Loob and Joe Nieuwendyk|397| 44 |11.08%
10|1987-88|EDM|Glenn Anderson and Mark Messier|363| 43 |11.85%

 

[tjcurrie]

Kurris point totals actually increased the year after Gretzky was traded.

Yes I know that. 45 goals and 102 points ? But that to me was his ceiling. I believe he would have been putting up 35 to 45 goals and 85 to 100 point seasons consistently rather than putting up the 130 points and 70 goals, etc. That changes things dramatically. Still a damn good player though.

You have certain combos ( Hull and Oates for example ) where the two put up very similar numbers while helping each other. In Gretzky and Kurri's case, Gretzky was beating his winger by 70+ points. That says something. It says there was on obvious straw that stirs the drink there. I dont think anyone can deny that.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

When Lemieux and Jagr actually played together... man...

But this thread undoubtedly belongs to Mats Sundin and the pilons on skates that he carried through his career. What magic! What brilliance! HOGLUND! God I hate being a Leafs fan post 67

 

[therealkoho]

Some great duo's have been mentioned but Gretzky/Kurri has to head the list.
Another honorable mention should go to Lafleur/Shutt and even though one is not a forward, it's hard to not also include Orr/Espo IMO.

or P Mahovlich/Lafleur for that matter..........Esposito and Hodge weren't slouches either

another consideration

Ulf Nilsson and Bobby Hull along with Hedberg these guys might've been the best line in hockey for about 4 years

one more

Trotts and Bossy

 

[brianscot]

Pretty hard to go against Gretzky/Kurri.

For consideration status: Barber/Clarke --- great all around game.

Pederson/Middleton --- Too brief, but see above.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I would easily put Robinson-Savard ahead of a lot of duos being mentionned left and right when these questions pop off.

In modern hockey Gretzky-Kurri and probably Bossy-trottier are ahead , but I'm not sure what other duo could be put ahead of the greatest pairing of all-time that accomplished the more together and that had chemistry that just worked like a charm.

If you built a team , who would you pick between Robinson-Savard and Trottier-Bossy? Sure Trottier and Bossy are better player than Savard , but a 1st pairing plays a lot more in a game and is arguably more important to winning. ( debatable )

edit: damn TDMM beat me to the punch. btw the reason Lemieux-Jagr doesn't have that much support is just because they didn't exactly accomplish that much playing together , because , well , they didn't play together that much.If not , this is clearly the best duo , the gap between Jagr and Kurri is higher than Gretzky Lemieux imo.

 

[poise]

It is funny how you cherry picked an off season to supposedly show how little influence Gretzky had on Kurri, and then make the excuse that some of the guys ahead of him when he played without Gretzky were influenced by... Gretzky.

Well done.

We'll just ignore the fact that the Oilers still had one cup left in them and Kurri had 100 point center Jimmy Carson and 94 point Mark Messier to play with that year in Gretzky's absence. Must have been real rough on him.

He scored more in his first season without Gretzky than in his last season with Gretzky, until they reunited in Los Angeles. His playmaking ability became quite notable after Gretzky, as before Gretzky had the puck most of the time and it wasn't manifested as much. Furthermore, he spent significant time with Acton and Lamb as well as Carson, and one could argue that the revolving door of centers he had to play with wasn't exactly the ideal situation for him. After all, he did slow down considerably after a start that had him just behind pace of the four 150 point players that season.

Yes I know that. 45 goals and 102 points ? But that to me was his ceiling. I believe he would have been putting up 35 to 45 goals and 85 to 100 point seasons consistently rather than putting up the 130 points and 70 goals, etc. That changes things dramatically. Still a damn good player though.

I think it's more likely that Kurri's ceiling was higher than his 1988-89 season indicates, as he wasn't exactly in peak form his two last years with Gretzky in Edmonton. He didn't break 100 points the season before Gretzky was traded. His best seasons came right in the middle of the decade.

 

[jepjepjoo]

It is funny how you cherry picked an off season to supposedly show how little influence Gretzky had on Kurri, and then make the excuse that some of the guys ahead of him when he played without Gretzky were influenced by... Gretzky.

Well done.

We'll just ignore the fact that the Oilers still had one cup left in them and Kurri had 100 point center Jimmy Carson and 94 point Mark Messier to play with that year in Gretzky's absence. Must have been real rough on him.

You have some anger issues...

When did I say Gretzky had little effect on Kurri's play?