Best and Worst Draft Teams since 1980

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  1. Seanconn*

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    pretty simple, what teams made the absolute worst draft choices in hindsight...

    and which Teams made the best choices. and i guess which ones just did "okay" :laugh:

    discuss.

    Ottawa and Winnipeg come to mind as two of the worst, while Detroit seems to be the clear cut number one. considering how many amazing players they drafted outside of the first round...
     
  2. Hardyvan123

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    Detroit has been the best drafting team in the last 30 years hands down.

    Ottawa and Winnipeg havent been the best although both teams have doen better in the last couple of years, particualrily Phoenix.

    Another team that hasn't drafted well is Vancouver. For every jewel of the Canucks in drafting a Bure there are 3 or 4 Nathan Smith's lurking in the background.
     
  3. vadim sharifijanov

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    columbus has an appallingly low amount of guys who worked out, and almost all of the ones who did are high first rounders. part of that credit probably also goes to poor player development and being a mickey mouse franchise though. zherdev and filatov, who looks like zherdev jr., could probably have been handled better.
     
  4. Big Phil

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    Florida perhaps? How can you be that terrible for so long and not improve...........ever. A lot of their guys didn't pan out. Stephen Weiss, Olli Jokinen are good but at the slot they were drafted they should be borderline stars. Neither are. Drafting Jay Bouwmeester was something we all would have done, but after almost 10 years in the NHL nobody has told him he probably can skate faster than anyone on the ice and he should, you know, have the confidence to do so. Either way he's a player who has never reached his potential, and never will.

    As a Leaf fan I will maintain the Leafs have terrible luck in drafting. I'll ignore the fact that Burke made probably the worst trade in franchise history in acquiring Kessel so that we DON'T get the 2nd overall pick in 2010 but even if you ignore that the Leafs have drafted poorly. Jeff Farkas, Antropov, Luca Cereda, Boyes, Colaiacovo, Alexander Steen, John Doherty are names of their first draft picks each year pre-lockout. Boyes is the only one I'd be proud to call my own. Not to mention the stubborness of the Wilson/Burke plan in 2009 that they had to win the last game of the season in order to get out of the top 5. This enabled them to draft Kadri over Schenn - so far a poor choice. 2008 they did the same thing, they won at the wrong time and this pushed them away from the Stamkos sweepstakes and got them Luke Schenn who is fine, but will never carry a team.

    Here's the kicker, in 2002 the player drafted after Steen was Cam Ward. Joseph was about to be gone and the Leafs didn't have a goalie. It would have been smart to pick him but alas, these are the Maple Leafs.
     
  5. Talk about broad ranging speculation.

    I tell you what, anybody who wants all of my vCash can have it, IF they make a NHL draft history website that details how many NHL games have been played by each and every player ever selected by each and every team. AND gives a TOTAL detailed statistics analysis AND even differentiates from players selected by the club that have not produced games (points, PIM, etc.) with the club that selected those players.

    That would take a lot of time and data entry!

    My guess, since 1980? The Oilers.

    Since 1990? Detroit or New jersey.
     
  6. blogofmike

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    Who's the most notable St. Louis Blues draft pick since 1990? TJ Oshie? Barret Jackman? Ottawa fans probably hope it'll wind up being Rundblad.

    They had Brind'Amour and Gilmour in the 80's but dealt both.

    They were so bad they just gave up on the 1983 draft. Well not really, but they didn't use their picks.
     
  7. FrozenJagrt

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    Though they've done well in recent years, Leafs drafting in my lifetime has been god awful. Only Tomas Kaberle turned out to be a star. Felix Potvin had some good moments, ditto for Brad Boyes, Yannic Perreault wasn't bad. Sergei Berezin was decent and Danny Markov wasn't too bad. And then... What? A bunch of meh. That 89 draft has to be one of the worst drafts by a single team in ages (though it was a pretty bad year in general). Thornton, Pearson and Bancroft all in the first round. Yikes.
     
  8. PlagerBros*

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    Perron, Pietrangelo, Berglund, Oshie, Polak, Backes, McClement, Jackman, Nagy, Reasoner, Hecht, Handzus, Mayers, Grier. No stars so far, but some very good, solid players.

    Hedican, Hebert, Emerson, Ronning,

    The NHL and Ralston Purina screwed the Blues over. Purina was trying to sell the team and didn't care and the NHL couldn't be bothered to make sure they had people to make the picks. One of the biggest jokes in NHL history.
     
  9. Clamshells

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    i dont know how anyone can claim ottawa as being one of the worst. every single draft (save one) they picked up atleast one serviceable nhler, which would make them an average drafting team. not good, not bad.
     
  10. BubbaBoot

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    Don't want to spend too much time on it but I think my B's are probably in the lower third for drafting since 1980.

    Not many studs, some good players (with far too many doing it for other teams), a lot of role players and far too many duds...especially in the top rounds.
    - One of their first rounders never played in the NHL.
    - From 1980 - 2007, 9 of their first rounders played less than 100 games in the NHL, (although Normand Leveille had a ton of potential but suffered a severe stroke)
    - 2 more first rounders played just over 100 games.
    - The entire 9 picks from 1996 saw 2 players, #1 pick Jonathan Aitken and Trent Whitfield, play a grand total of 237 games, totaled 11 goals / 30 points / -15
    - 2002 had 2 of 8 players in the NHL with 152 games between. GK Hannu Toivenen 18-24-10 .890% 3.37 GA and F Yan Stastny 6-10-16 -20

    It's only been in the last 6 or 7 years that they've become consistent with their drafts.

    STUDS
    Ray Bourque - 1979
    Joe Thornton - 1997 (IMO, borderline until he wins a Cup)

    GOOD
    Barry Pederson - 1980
    Tom Fergus - 1980
    Steve Kasper - 1980
    Dave Reid - 1982
    Don Sweeney - 1984
    Randy Burridge - 1985
    Craig Janney - 1986
    Glen Wesley - 1987 (Bruins and NE/Carolina)
    Joe Jumeau - 1988 (Journeyman)
    Bryan Smolinski - 1990 (Journeyman)
    Josef Stumpel - 1991 (Bruins / LA)
    Glen Murray - 1991 (Bruins / LA)
    Sergei Samsonov - 1997
    Patrice Bergeron - 2003
    David Krejci - 2004
    Milan Lucic - 2006
    Phil Kessel - 2006

    ROLE PLAYERS
    Randy Hillier - 1980
    Michael Thelven - 1980
    Gord Kluzak - 1982 (would've bee a good one if it weren't for the injuries)
    Brian Curran - 1982
    Lyndon Byers - 1982
    Bob Sweeney - 1982
    Neven Markwart - 1983
    Allen Pedersen - 1983
    Bob Beers - 1985
    Bill Ranford - 1985 (mostly with Edmonton)
    Greg Hawgood - 1986 (Journeyman)
    Stephane Quintal - 1987 (elsewhere)
    Ted Donato - 1987
    Steve Heinze - 1988
    Wes Walz - 1989 (Journeyman)
    Mariusz Czerkawski - 1991
    Sergei Zholtok - 1992 (Journeyman)
    Mattias Timander - 1992 (Journeyman)
    Kevyn Adams - 1993 (Jorneyman)
    Shawn Bates - 1993 (Journeyman)
    Hal Gill - 1993
    John Graheme - 1994 (Journeyman)
    Andre Roy - 1994 (Journeyman)
    PJ Axelsson - 1995
    Sean Brown - 1995 (mostly Edmonton)
    Kyle McLaren - 1995 (Bruins / Sharks)
    Ben Clymer - 1997 (Journeyman)
    Antti Laaksonen - 1997 (Journeyman)
    Andrew Raycroft - 1998 (Journeyman)
    Nick Boynton - 1999 (Boston / Journeyman)
    Andy Hilbert - 2000 (Journeyman)
    Shaonne Morisonn - 2001
    Andrew Alberts - 2001
    Milan Jurcina - 2001
    Mark Stuart - 2003
    Kris Versteeg - 2004
    Matt Hunwick - 2004
    Vladmir Sobotka - 2005
    Brad Marchand - 2006

    TOO EARLY TO TELL?
    Zach Hamill - 2007
    Joe Colborne - 2008
    Jamie Arniel - 2008
    Jordan Caron - 2009
    Tyler Seguin - 2010
     
  11. popculturereference

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    The Ottawa Senators are one of the worst teams at drafting? They have a terrible prospect pool now, but man, look at their drafts in the 90s to early 00s. They developed the third best player in the first round of the horrid 1999 draft. It was the 26th pick! That alone should be worth a top-10 spot.
     
  12. TheMoreYouKnow

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    The Wings draft record isn't as flawless as you'd think. Some great European steals in the late rounds obviously and Yzerman was a pretty great pick at 4 overall too, but then you look at their first round record since 1984 and it's a bit underwhelming for sure.

    Shawn Burr
    Brent Fedyk
    Joe Murphy
    Yves Racine
    Mike Sillinger
    Keith Primeau
    Martin Lapointe
    Curtis Brown.
    Anders Eriksson
    Yan Golubovsky
    Maxim Kuznetsov
    Jesse Wallin
    Jiri Fischer
    Niklas Kronwall
    Jakub Kindl

    Best player out of the lot is probably between Primeau and Kronwall but that's not exactly great bounty for that time span and up to the early 90s those tended to be fairly high picks too.

    And one can wonder, you pick Leetch over Murphy in 86, Jagr or Brodeur over Primeau in 90, Sakic over Racine in 87..and I realize every team has loads of this but as a fan it's a tempting thought.
     
  13. johnny1976

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    For me it would be the MN North Stars and the 83 draft. They chose Brian Lawton
    1st overall. Comming out of that draft Yzerman, Lafontaine, Barrasso, and Neely to name a few.
     
  14. dire wolf

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    A quick stab at some of the Sabres' better picks (not counting most prospects) - and I'm sure I missed a bunch of guys. In no particular order:

    Forwards:
    Andreychuk
    Pierre Turgeon
    Ray Sheppard
    Tyler Ennis
    Vanek
    Clarke MacArthur
    Stafford
    Derek Roy
    Pominville
    Maxim Afinogenov
    Brad May
    Donald Audette
    Benoit Hogue
    Christian Ruutu
    Curtis Brown
    Kotalik
    Gerbe
    Agitator Line: Rob Ray - Matthew Barnaby - Kaleta

    Defense:
    Tyler Myers
    Uwe Krupp
    Philippe Boucher
    Calle Johansson
    Brian Campbell
    Dmitri Kalinin
    Sean O'Donnell
    Jay McKee
    Cory Sarich
    Henrik Tallinder
    Joe Reekie
    Sekera
    Dennis Wideman
    Keith Ballard
    Mike Weber

    Goalies:
    Ryan Miller
    Martin Biron
    Tom Barrasso
    Darren Puppa
    Mika Noronen
    Jhonas Enroth
     
  15. Fire Sweeney

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    The Minnesota Wild is absolutely awful.
     
  16. Ziggy Stardust

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    Here's a team made up of players the Kings have drafted since 1980:

    Luc Robitaille-Anze Kopitar-Michael Cammalleri
    Kevin Stevens-Jimmy Carson-Dustin Brown
    Martin Gelinas-Bernie Nicholls-Alexander Frolov
    Eric Belanger-Olli Jokinen-Jim Fox
    David Steckel-Robert Lang-Jeff Tambellini
    George Parros-Brian Boyle-Wayne Simmonds

    Rob Blake-Drew Doughty
    Alexei Zhitnik-Larry Murphy
    Darryl Sydor-Lubomir Visnovsky
    Garry Galley-Kimmo Timonen
    Andreas Lilja-Joe Corvo
    Aki Berg-Denis Grebeshkov

    Jonathan Quick-Cristobal Huet-Jonathan Bernier-Jamie Storr
     
  17. Stephen

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    Alfredsson
    Spezza
    Hossa
    Havlat
    Volchenkov
    Demitra
    Phillips
    Karlsson
    Foligno
    Meszaros
    Gleason
    Laich
    Vermette
    Zanon
    Kelly
    Fisher
    Neil
    Arvedson
    Salo
    Rachunek
    Berard
    Bonk
    Yashin
    Daigle (yes, even Daigle)

    Winnipeg:

    Hawerchuk
    Zhamnov
    Selanne
    Tkachuk
    Khabibulin
    Doan
    Numminen
    Ward
    Ulanov
    Barnes
    Draper
    Marchment
    Olausson
    Essensa
    Steen
    Christian
    Babych
    B. Mullen
    Ellett
     
  18. bassassin

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    The Lightning have been terrible from their creation till I would say since 2008 with signs of turning it around. Before that their pipeline was non existent.

    Notable players (using notable very loosely here):
    Vincent Lecavalier (no brainer)
    Brad Richards (picked purely for Vinny)
    Chris Gratton
    Paul Mara
    Roman Hamrlik
    Daymond Langkow
    Bryce Salvador
    Jay Rosehill
    Blair Jones
    Jason Wiemer
    Alexander Svitov
    Nikita Alexeev
    Fredrik Norrena
    Dmitry Afanasenkov
    Pavel Kubina
    Paul Ranger
    Mike Lundin
    Evgeny Artyukhin
    Ryan Craig
    Nick Tarnasky
    Matt Smaby
    Karri Ramo
    Dana Tyrell


    Several went on to have very good NHL careers, but most not with the Lightning.
     
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    New Jersey makes a top-third showing:

    Martin Brodeur
    Scott Niedermayer
    Ken Daneyko
    Pat Verbeek
    Chris Terreri
    Eric Weinrich
    Brendan Shanahan
    Patrick Elias
    Zach Parise
    John MacLean
    Kirk Muller
    V. Fetisov
    Sean Burke
    Bill Guerin
    Brian Rolston
    Jim Dowd
    Jason Smith
    Sergei Brylin
    Colin White
    Stephen Yelle
    Jay Pandolfo
    Brendan Morrison
    Sheldon Souray
    Steve Sullivan
    Petr Sykora
    Mike Van Ryan
    Mike Commodore
    Paul Martin
    Travis Zajac
    Brian Gionta

    Plus, NJ has some prominent undrafted free agents like Brian Rafalski and John Madden.

    Lineup:

    Parise-Muller-Shanahan
    Elias-Rolston-Verbeek
    MacLean-Zajac-Guerin
    Sykora-Madden-Morrison

    Niedermayer-Fetisov
    Fetisov-Daneyko
    Martin-White

    Brodeur
    Burke
     
  20. Ogopogo*

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    You will NEVER find a better draft record than that of the Edmonton Oilers between 1979-1981. Drafting 5 HOFers in 2 years is craziness.
     
  21. Zil

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    Can you elaborate on that one?
     
  22. Stephen

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    Detroit Red Wings:

    1989-1991:

    Sergei Fedorov
    Nicklas Lidstrom
    Vladimir Konstantinov
    Mike Sillinger
    Dallas Drake
    Bob Boughner
    Vyacheslav Kozlov
    Keith Primeau
    Martin Lapointe
    Chris Osgood
    Mike Knuble

    is pretty damn impressive

    Pittsburgh 2003-2005 is getting better all the time too and might look unreal in 15 years:

    Fleury
    Crosby
    Malkin
    Letang
    Goligoski
    Carcillo
    Kennedy
    Moulson
     
  23. BamBamCam*

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    Ahhh man, nice post, this made me go look at the Bruins draft history, there's some names I completely forgot. Cameron Mann (Mini Cam), Lars Jonsson, Mikko Eloranta, Jonathan Girard, kid from my hometown Bobby Allen, Johnathan Aitken, Jon Rohloff, and what could have been with Normand Leveille, I could name more.

    Anyhow, it looks like our best drafting year was 1980, 1982 with 1997 being our best with Thornton, Samsonov, Laaksonen and Clymer but that's not hard to do when you have the number 1 and 8in the draft. I do like last years draft, that has major potential to be something great. But overall, yeah, we are a bottom 1/3 drafting team if not a bottom 5 drafting team.
     
  24. Derick*

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    There were 4 Nathan Smiths?

    You'd think they'd know not to draft the other three after they'd already tried out one.
     
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    you can add ryan whitney in 02 to that list, hes pretty good too:yo:
     

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