Benning vs Gillis

[RobertKron]

Anyway, I feel we can pretty safely conclude that this experiment by ROE to invite the best and brightest or whatever of the Benning Bros to make their strong cases for how well Benning is doing has gone one of two ways:

1. ROE chose poorly, and these folks are full of shit.

2. The best argument in favour of Benning's work here so far is "who is Vancouver?"

 

[ChefBoiRD]

Aw, shucks. Just when you seemed so close to grasping it.

Yup, I'm pretty sure one of the most respected journalists in hockey was just taking some musings of an usher or something and passing them off as fact. Totally.

Maybe come back when you have an interest in debating like an adult. This is a waste of time.

Did the trade happen?

 

[Addison Rae]

You guys just need to stop responding, put him on your ignore list and move on.

He’s a colossal waste of time.

 

[RobertKron]

Did the trade happen?

Sometime after trading for Ballard, Gillis was actively trying to trade Bieksa due to the conondrum the acquisition of Ballard created on the back end and on the cap. Ballard and Hamhius were acquired within a month of each other. With Salo, Erhoff, Edler, Hamhius, Ballard and Bieksa in the fold and Erhoffs next contract looming, Gillis decided to cut bait with Bieksa cause certainly no other GM out there would dare touch Ballard not with that contract and poor quality of play, ergo the Buyout. Gillis had to get rid of someone if he wanted to be in a position to resign Erhoff. Bieksa the fall guy because of the Ballard acquisition. He certainly wasn't going to trade his newest acquisition - Ballard. The optics!

 

[timw33]

You guys just need to stop responding, put him on your ignore list and move on.

He’s a colossal waste of time.

Yep, onto the ignore list. Somehow he made the cut before M2B.

 

[Melvin]

I tabulated the average age of each team's top-10 scorers. I figured we would be around the middle somewhere. The results were actually .... surprising.

Team	PTS	T10Age
Columbus	77	23.8
Arizona	55	24.2
New Jersey	78	24.7
Florida	75	24.8
Tampa Bay	100	24.9
Philadelphia	81	25.2
Calgary	78	25.5
Colorado	80	25.6
NY Islanders	70	25.6
Nashville	98	25.7
Carolina	71	25.7
Winnipeg	91	25.9
Edmonton	64	25.9
Toronto	87	26.0
Vegas	93	26.1
Boston	94	26.3
Buffalo	56	26.4
Dallas	82	26.5
Chicago	68	26.5
Montréal	62	26.5
Ottawa	57	26.7
Anaheim	80	26.9
NY Rangers	67	27.3
Los Angeles	79	27.5
San Jose	81	27.6
Minnesota	85	27.8
Pittsburgh	84	27.8
Washington	83	27.9
Detroit	63	28.5
St. Louis	77	29.1
Vancouver	59	29.3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...yes, that's right. The very bottom.

Put in graphical form (forgive the crudity) :

 

[Addison Rae]

Yep, onto the ignore list. Somehow he made the cut before M2B.

m2b is the greatest poster of all time

 

[CanaFan]

I tabulated the average age of each team's top-10 scorers. I figured we would be around the middle somewhere. The results were actually .... surprising.

Team		PTS	T10Age
Columbus		77	23.8
Arizona		55	24.2
New Jersey		78	24.7
Florida		75	24.8
Tampa Bay		100	24.9
Philadelphia		81	25.2
Calgary		78	25.5
Colorado		80	25.6
NY Islanders		70	25.6
Nashville		98	25.7
Carolina		71	25.7
Winnipeg		91	25.9
Edmonton		64	25.9
Toronto		87	26.0
Vegas		93	26.1
Boston		94	26.3
Buffalo		56	26.4
Dallas		82	26.5
Chicago		68	26.5
Montréal		62	26.5
Ottawa		57	26.7
Anaheim		80	26.9
NY Rangers		67	27.3
Los Angeles		79	27.5
San Jose		81	27.6
Minnesota		85	27.8
Pittsburgh		84	27.8
Washington		83	27.9
Detroit		63	28.5
St. Louis		77	29.1
Vancouver		59	29.3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...yes, that's right. The very bottom.

Put in graphical form (forgive the crudity) :

“Jumping out the Window”

 

[F A N]

Do you believe focusing on some minor and occasionally irrelevant issue (which you fabricated this time) will win the argument? I guess you do, considering that's pretty much what you do all the time.

How is whether or not Horvat was included in a trade some minor irrelevant issue?

 

[Melvin]

How is whether or not Horvat was included in a trade some minor irrelevant issue?

He included it as a suppositional parenthetical and it had nothing to do with his actual point.

You continuously do this, ignore the crux of the point being made by zeroing in on some minor detail as if refuting this detail somehow does anything to address the overall argument.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I thought I will tell everyone something very important. The Ignore button is still around. It moved since the old boards but it is there! Just simply click on the name of the user you want to ignore. A window will pop up and over on the right hand side of this window you will see the ignore command button. Press this button, and no more ****ty microwave pasta or stupid songs by german bands about movie characters.

I don't know how some of yall manage without using ignore. Once in a while ill read for a minute and see the schtick/troll accounts because i've been logged out and it's just pitiful garbage.

 

[mossey3535]

OMG reinforcements!

 

[RobertKron]

He included it as a suppositional parenthetical and it had nothing to do with his actual point.

You continuously do this, ignore the crux of the point being made by zeroing in on some minor detail as if refuting this detail somehow does anything to address the overall argument.

To be fair, they paid attention to the crux of the point until they were shown to be completely wrong about it.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

ROE, out of curiosity: how ****ing drunk were you when you decided these posters brought something to the table, and that you wanted it at this table?

Anyway, I feel we can pretty safely conclude that this experiment by ROE to invite the best and brightest or whatever of the Benning Bros to make their strong cases for how well Benning is doing has gone one of two ways:

1. ROE chose poorly, and these folks are full of ****.

2. The best argument in favour of Benning's work here so far is "who is Vancouver?"

So RoE is to thank for this? Gee thanks a lot, Bleach. Big ups for bringing in some youtube comments section refugees, man. Waiting for your contribution to the political forum: "lol look at this libtard echo chamber! Everyone's saying Nazis are bad! We need some more diversity of opinions in here!"

Yep, onto the ignore list. Somehow he made the cut before M2B.

M2B's kind of endearing in his sincerity. With him, you know he really is a hyperactive teenager, so there's still hope he can learn and grow. You want to help him develop and steer him in the right direction whenever possible. And he can be a laugh now and again.

I don't know how some of yall manage without using ignore. Once in a while ill read for a minute and see the schtick/troll accounts because i've been logged out and it's just pitiful garbage.

Agreed. Sometimes at work I get a spare moment for netsurfing here and there, and as I don't actually log on when I'm there my ignore list vanishes.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd I see why those people are on ignore.

 

[F A N]

He included it as a suppositional parenthetical and it had nothing to do with his actual point.

You continuously do this, ignore the crux of the point being made by zeroing in on some minor detail as if refuting this detail somehow does anything to address the overall argument.

Please point me to a specific rule here where I am either not allowed to quote a specific point that was made and debate it or it somehow violates the spirit of the forums when I do so. You're suggesting that if someone makes a point and then goes on to makes false claims that doesn't really support the point he or she is trying to make that it is wrong to address it.

MS was purposely misstating the facts. The Canucks didn't try to trade "apparently Horvat" for Subban. If you think that's not important to address then that's just you.

 

[Melvin]

Please point me to a specific rule here where I am either not allowed to quote a specific point that was made and debate it or it somehow violates the spirit of the forums when I do so. You're suggesting that if someone makes a point and then goes on to makes false claims that doesn't really support the point he or she is trying to make that it is wrong to address it.

MS was purposely misstating the facts. The Canucks didn't try to trade "apparently Horvat" for Subban. If you think that's not important to address then that's just you.

I never once even implied that what you do is or even should be against the rules (and it's incredibly apropos and funny that you asked for a "specific rule." That is so FAN.)

I was merely making you aware of a particular rhetorical device that you rely on frequently, as it is in my opinion a tactic which is both familiar and ineffective.

You have failed to address the point of the post which was that Benning was trying to trade high picks and/or other futures pieces for now players which should be the anti-thesis of any rebuild. Whether or not Horvat was included in those trade proposals is not important to this point. You can change the word in his post from "apparently" to "possibly" and it makes little difference.

For what it's worth, I was actually on your side on this point; there was never even a suggestion that Horvat was ever dangled outside of pure speculation from some posters here, but even though I agree with you on this issue, it doesn't matter because it's a mere distraction from the core argument.

 

[Josepho]

This is fun!

is signing a 22 year old Justin Schultz who just destroyed the NCAA even a bad thing

 

[Lshap]

A friendly reminder to keep it civil and breath deeply before posting.

 

[MadaCanuckle]

You guys just need to stop responding, put him on your ignore list and move on.

He’s a colossal waste of time.

Yep, stop responding to Weisbrod. He just derails the threads he's in.

 

[Jyrki21]

President wakes up, decides to declare war on France via tweet.

Whoops, Twitter is down. Declaration doesn't happen thanks to a tech screwup.

How can you say he's a bad president when it didn't happen???? Hypothetical!!!!!!!

 

[arttk]

Please point me to a specific rule here where I am either not allowed to quote a specific point that was made and debate it or it somehow violates the spirit of the forums when I do so. You're suggesting that if someone makes a point and then goes on to makes false claims that doesn't really support the point he or she is trying to make that it is wrong to address it.

MS was purposely misstating the facts. The Canucks didn't try to trade "apparently Horvat" for Subban. If you think that's not important to address then that's just you.

That’s pretty ironic. Now you are doing he same thing but going down to the specific point of him saying that is what you do.

Impressive.

 

[arttk]

A friendly reminder to keep it civil and breath deeply before posting.

It’s pretty civil.

 

[vancityluongo]

Sorry to quote him again but this is hilarious and I don't wanna miss out on the fun:

Jensen plus a 6th for Etem, not too put off about it. Its a 6th round pick. I'm more irritated with Gillis when it comes to Jensen. Rakell was taken right after Jensen in the draft

If that has you irritated with Gillis, you must be livid that Benning drafted a tweener with Pastrnak at the next pick.

 

[vancityluongo]

I tabulated the average age of each team's top-10 scorers. I figured we would be around the middle somewhere. The results were actually .... surprising.

Team	PTS	T10Age
Columbus	77	23.8
Arizona	55	24.2
New Jersey	78	24.7
Florida	75	24.8
Tampa Bay	100	24.9
Philadelphia	81	25.2
Calgary	78	25.5
Colorado	80	25.6
NY Islanders	70	25.6
Nashville	98	25.7
Carolina	71	25.7
Winnipeg	91	25.9
Edmonton	64	25.9
Toronto	87	26.0
Vegas	93	26.1
Boston	94	26.3
Buffalo	56	26.4
Dallas	82	26.5
Chicago	68	26.5
Montréal	62	26.5
Ottawa	57	26.7
Anaheim	80	26.9
NY Rangers	67	27.3
Los Angeles	79	27.5
San Jose	81	27.6
Minnesota	85	27.8
Pittsburgh	84	27.8
Washington	83	27.9
Detroit	63	28.5
St. Louis	77	29.1
Vancouver	59	29.3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...yes, that's right. The very bottom.

Put in graphical form (forgive the crudity) :

Thank you for doing this. Does this include the Rangers top-10 scorers all year? If so, would be very curious to see how much the deadline shifted them.

 

[tantalum]

I tabulated the average age of each team's top-10 scorers. I figured we would be around the middle somewhere. The results were actually .... surprising.

Team	PTS	T10Age
Columbus	77	23.8
Arizona	55	24.2
New Jersey	78	24.7
Florida	75	24.8
Tampa Bay	100	24.9
Philadelphia	81	25.2
Calgary	78	25.5
Colorado	80	25.6
NY Islanders	70	25.6
Nashville	98	25.7
Carolina	71	25.7
Winnipeg	91	25.9
Edmonton	64	25.9
Toronto	87	26.0
Vegas	93	26.1
Boston	94	26.3
Buffalo	56	26.4
Dallas	82	26.5
Chicago	68	26.5
Montréal	62	26.5
Ottawa	57	26.7
Anaheim	80	26.9
NY Rangers	67	27.3
Los Angeles	79	27.5
San Jose	81	27.6
Minnesota	85	27.8
Pittsburgh	84	27.8
Washington	83	27.9
Detroit	63	28.5
St. Louis	77	29.1
Vancouver	59	29.3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...yes, that's right. The very bottom.

Put in graphical form (forgive the crudity) :

ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

3 year extension! How do I get a job where the expectations are either so ridiculously low and/or not relevant?