Beltré, Mauer debut as 2024 Hall of Fame ballot is unveiled

[Say Hey Kid]

1	Todd Helton	6th	72.2%	175	59	17	61.8	46.6	54.2	53.4	2247	7962	1401	2519	369	1406	37	1335	.316	.414	.539	.953	133														*3H/7D9
2	Billy Wagner	9th	68.1%	107	24	16	27.7	19.8	23.7	32.5	810	20	1	2	0	1	0	1	.100	.143	.100	.243	-35	47	40	2.31	187	0.998	853	0	422	903.0	601	82	300	1196	*1
3	Andruw Jones	7th	58.1%	109	34	17	62.7	46.4	54.6	58.1	2196	7599	1204	1933	434	1289	152	891	.254	.337	.486	.823	111														*89H7D/3
4	Gary Sheffield	10th	55.0%	158	61	22	60.5	38.0	49.3	56.7	2576	9217	1636	2689	509	1676	253	1475	.292	.393	.514	.907	140														*9*7*5*D6H/3
5	Carlos Beltrán	2nd	46.5%	126	52	20	70.1	44.4	57.3	58.1	2586	9768	1582	2725	435	1587	312	1084	.279	.350	.486	.837	119														*8*9*DH/73
6	Alex Rodriguez	3rd	35.7%	390	77	22	117.5	64.3	90.9	55.4	2784	10566	2021	3115	696	2086	329	1338	.295	.380	.550	.930	140														*6*5DH/3
7	Manny Ramirez	8th	33.2%	226	69	19	69.3	39.9	54.6	53.4	2302	8244	1544	2574	555	1831	38	1329	.312	.411	.585	.996	154														*7*9*DH
8	Omar Vizquel	7th	19.5%	120	42	24	45.6	26.8	36.2	55.4	2968	10586	1445	2877	80	951	404	1028	.272	.336	.352	.688	82														*65H4/D379
9	Andy Pettitte	6th	17.0%	128	44	18	60.2	34.1	47.2	61.4	108	196	6	27	1	13	0	6	.138	.163	.184	.346	-10	256	153	3.85	117	1.351	531	521	0	3316.0	3448	288	1031	2448	*1/H
10	Bobby Abreu	5th	15.4%	95	54	18	60.2	41.6	50.9	56.7	2425	8480	1453	2470	288	1363	400	1476	.291	.395	.475	.870	128														*9DH7/8
11	Jimmy Rollins	3rd	12.9%	121	42	17	47.6	32.7	40.1	55.4	2275	9294	1421	2455	231	936	470	813	.264	.324	.418	.743	95														*6H/D4
12	Mark Buehrle	4th	10.8%	52	31	16	59.1	35.8	47.4	61.4	55	125	4	9	1	3	0	2	.072	.087	.112	.199	-47	214	160	3.81	117	1.281	518	493	0	3283.1	3472	361	734	1870	*1
13	Francisco Rodríguez	2nd	10.8%	124	16	16	24.2	17.6	20.9	32.5	437	2	0	1	0	0	0	0	.500	.500	.500	1.000	178	52	53	2.86	148	1.155	948	0	437	976.0	738	98	389	1142	*1
14	Torii Hunter	4th	6.9%	58	34	19	50.7	30.8	40.7	58.1	2372	8857	1296	2452	353	1391	195	661	.277	.331	.461	.793	110														*8*9DH/7
15	Adrián Beltré	1st

Beltre and Helton will get in this year. Some posters will argue for others being worthy such as Abreu, Colon, Gonzalez, Mauer, and Utley, but I don't think they'll get elected.

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[Dr Pepper]

Yeah they won't get in first ballot but eventually.

 

[Cas]

HOF Monitor is just meant to be a very, very broad starting point, and it's no longer even a decent predictor.

Helton and Beltre get in this ballot.

Mauer will get in, but I suspect it takes a couple of years. I think he breaks 40% this ballot and adds about 10% annually.

Utley will be a little bit behind him and may never get over the hump with the writers, but I think it's a fight.

Vizquel, Rollins, K-Rod, and Holliday have zero chance.

I think Wagner needs another year. I don't support him (or almost any other reliever) for the Hall, but I suspect he gets there.

 

[Terry Yake]

a-rod and manny aside, beltre should be the only one getting in next year from the new group

helton and mauer should get in eventually but neither of those guys are first ballot HOF'ers to me

 

[Cas]

a-rod and manny aside, beltre should be the only one getting in next year from the new group

helton and mauer should get in eventually but neither of those guys are first ballot HOF'ers to me

This is Helton's sixth ballot.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Who'd I'd vote:

A-Rod (won't get in)
Beltre (should be a lock, but there will be "nOt FiRsT BaLLot" people, so he might have to wait a year)
Beltran (think he still waits another year or two cause of Astros' crap)
Manny (won't get in similar to A-Rod)
Helton (I've come around on him and he has the best shot of anyone this year)
Mauer (won't get in this year, but may eventually)

-I think Mauer, when compared to other Catchers, is a HoFer, but spending the last few years at 1B hurts him. With a weak ballot I'd throw him a vote.

-Wagner isn't a hall of famer, but if you let Lee Smith and Trevor Hoffman in, then he should be in. But they let Harold Baines so in that case there's about 176 other players who deserve to be in too so let's not just try to clear the lowest bar.

-Andruw Jones is trending his way in, it's just, man, that drop off from his last year in Atlanta and beyond. Might get in year 10, think he's a lock for one of the committees if not.

-Sheffield probably clears 60 but misses. Has a decent resume. May be a committee guy eventually, but I think the steroids will keep him out still.

 

[Terry Yake]

This is Helton's sixth ballot.

oops

then i wouldn't mind seeing him get in this year. beltran's another one who should eventually get in but i would make him wait as long as possible due to his association with the astros cheating scandal

 

[Voight]

Sucks the self righteous arse holes at the BBWAA will refuse to vote for A Rod again. Even Manny.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Mauer should get in his first year, but he probably won't. One of the best catchers of all-time.

 

[EpochLink]

Sucks the self righteous arse holes at the BBWAA will refuse to vote for A Rod again. Even Manny.

All up to the veterans committee now, same goes for Bonds and Clemens.
The BBWAA have no say in that one.

 

[Voight]

All up to the veterans committee now, same goes for Bonds and Clemens.
The BBWAA have no say in that one.

A Rod could still technically get in via writers but that has a close to 0% chance of happening.

At least the veteran committee is mostly stacked with baseball players/managers/executives so that gives me some hope for Bonds, Clemens and A Rod.

 

[EpochLink]

A Rod could still technically get in via writers but that has a close to 0% chance of happening.

At least the veteran committee is mostly stacked with baseball players/managers/executives so that gives me some hope for Bonds, Clemens and A Rod.

The BBWAA voted Edgar Martinez in on his final year cause ‘he had to wait out the process’

f*** those old dinosaurs.

 

[Cas]

The BBWAA voted Edgar Martinez in on his final year cause ‘he had to wait out the process’

f*** those old dinosaurs.

Edgar Martinez had to wait until his 10th year of eligibility because he was a DH with 309 career home runs and 2247 career hits. During Martinez' time on the ballot, he was joined by eight players with 500 HR, one player with 3000 hits, and one player with both. Martinez was a 68 WAR player, his wait was hardly unusual for someone with his credentials.