OT: Bears & NFL Talk 77

[No Fun Shogun]

What games are you having us winning, assuming solid defense and either good or bad offense? Especially if our defense takes a step back in any way from being elite to merely good. I don't see really anyting controversial about a .500 ceiling and a horrible floor.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

I've never been into the whole 'pick all the wins' game, but to me there's few guaranteed losses on the schedule. I think they could win any of the green:

Sunday, Sept. 13 at Detroit, noon
Sunday, Sept. 20 VS. N.Y. GIANTS, NOON
Sunday, Sept. 27 at Atlanta, noon
Sunday, Oct. 4 VS. INDIANAPOLIS, NOON
Thursday, Oct. 8 VS. TAMPA BAY, 7:20 PM (road teams don't win on TNF)
Sunday, Oct. 18 at Carolina, noon*
Monday, Oct. 26 at L.A. Rams, 7:15 pm
Sunday, Nov. 1 VS. NEW ORLEANS, 3:25 PM*
Sunday, Nov. 8 at Tennessee, noon*
Monday, Nov. 16 VS. MINNESOTA, 7:15 PM (won with Daniel last year)
BYE WEEK
Sunday, Nov. 29 at Green Bay, 7:20 pm*
Sunday, Dec. 6 VS. DETROIT, NOON*
Sunday, Dec. 13 VS. HOUSTON, NOON*
Sunday, Dec. 20 at Minnesota, noon*
Sunday, Dec. 27 at Jacksonville, noon*
Sunday, Jan. 3 VS. GREEN BAY, NOON*

Making this big for emphasis:

2-14 is a f***ing joke.

 

[Mrfenn92]

16-0 bears. Tyler Bray NFL MVP.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Hence why I said that their bottom was 2-14, I'm saying that's worst case scenario. I'd put 8-8 as their ceiling (agreeing with your greens except giving odds to Carolina and especially Tennessee in their homes) with the truth in the middle, probably in the six-win range.

 

[HawksBeerFan]

The ceiling is absolutely higher than 8 wins lol

Realistically I don't think it's that huge a stretch to see 10 wins. Calling 8 wins the ceiling is comical.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I hope you're right, but my regular pessimism about the Bears tends to be closer to reality.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

LOL

They won 8 games with:
* A really hard schedule
* Hicks out basically all year
* As bad of QB play as you could possibly have

Where does all this regression come from?

1. The Bears defense, since Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman retired, has been bad at creating turnovers with the lone exception of 2018.
2. The Bears are the only team in the NFCN that got worse this offseason instead of better, on paper.
3. I agree with Matt Miller about the Bears having one of, if not the worst offensive lines in the NFL.
4. I'd take any QB situation in the NFL over the Bears' situation. I can't think off the top of my head who I'd rather have Trubisky/Foles over, and yes, that includes Minshew/Glennon because I think that Minshew could be better than either Foles or Trubisky, and proved so as a rookie. Stidham has Belichick so that's already an upgrade.

When you have the combination of the worst QB tandem in the NFL and the worst offensive line in the NFL, then you have a problem. Could I see them as a bottom five team even with the defense? Yeah, because they have the ability to lose games 20-17, 17-13 and even 13-10. And really, I don't mind if they're the worst team in the NFL this year because then they get Trevor Lawrence.

That being said, I don't see Nagy being gone unless Pace gets whacked. One can only hope.

 

[ClydeLee]

1. The Bears defense, since Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman retired, has been bad at creating turnovers with the lone exception of 2018.
2. The Bears are the only team in the NFCN that got worse this offseason instead of better, on paper.
3. I agree with Matt Miller about the Bears having one of, if not the worst offensive lines in the NFL.
4. I'd take any QB situation in the NFL over the Bears' situation. I can't think off the top of my head who I'd rather have Trubisky/Foles over, and yes, that includes Minshew/Glennon because I think that Minshew could be better than either Foles or Trubisky, and proved so as a rookie. Stidham has Belichick so that's already an upgrade.

When you have the combination of the worst QB tandem in the NFL and the worst offensive line in the NFL, then you have a problem. Could I see them as a bottom five team even with the defense? Yeah, because they have the ability to lose games 20-17, 17-13 and even 13-10. And really, I don't mind if they're the worst team in the NFL this year because then they get Trevor Lawrence.

That being said, I don't see Nagy being gone unless Pace gets whacked. One can only hope.

I've seen it said on here several times and am not following along so closely but how have they got worse on paper?

I'm failing to see what that keeps being said but based on what they lost? The only starters I'm aware of that are gone are Dix and Amukamara who people were never too happy with as a 2nd CB anyway.

And thats all I see unless I'm missing other names. And this is from coming from mostly people i figure think Floyd was trash, but I think the teams run defense could suffer some more without him as he was great there, just a terrible pass rusher though. But every position seems better or the same but 2nd CB and Safety.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I figured it was a given that the Bears had Mitch far ahead of anyone else on their draft board given that they traded up to get him, but man....



.... not even having a chat with another very highly ranked QB prospect is pretty bad....

And believe me, I don't want to touch the underlying context with a ten foot poll.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I've seen it said on here several times and am not following along so closely but how have they got worse on paper?

I'm failing to see what that keeps being said but based on what they lost? The only starters I'm aware of that are gone are Dix and Amukamara who people were never too happy with as a 2nd CB anyway.

And thats all I see unless I'm missing other names. And this is from coming from mostly people i figure think Floyd was trash, but I think the teams run defense could suffer some more without him as he was great there, just a terrible pass rusher though. But every position seems better or the same but 2nd CB and Safety.

Jaylon Johnson, Kevin Toliver and anyone else for the 2nd CB position haven't proven shit yet. Until they do, Amukamara is better than they are.

Robert Quinn is only effective as a pass rusher as a DE in a 4-3 setup and is bad as an OLB in a 3-4. He's not an upgrade over Floyd, mostly because he has sucked as a 3-4 OLB. Given his age, he could actually be a downgrade there.

HHCD>Gipson, that's a downgrade.

Kyle Long retiring is a downgrade, if only for the games he was healthy.

Mitch Trubisky with more film on his weaknesses is a downgrade. He could be even worse than last year, and Foles sucked in Jacksonville and got benched for Minshew, a 6th round rookie.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

The ceiling is absolutely higher than 8 wins lol

Realistically I don't think it's that huge a stretch to see 10 wins. Calling 8 wins the ceiling is comical.

Exactly. They won 8 last year and added a another option at qb. I get not being excited about this team and I certainly could see them winning less than 8. But every team that didn't have any huge changes can certainly win a game or 2 more than they did last year. Nothing between 6-10 wins would surprise me. They are in that middle blob of teams that with a couple of breaks one way or the other could maybe get in the playoffs or pick in the top 10.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Jaylon Johnson, Kevin Toliver and anyone else for the 2nd CB position haven't proven shit yet. Until they do, Amukamara is better than they are.

Robert Quinn is only effective as a pass rusher as a DE in a 4-3 setup and is bad as an OLB in a 3-4. He's not an upgrade over Floyd, mostly because he has sucked as a 3-4 OLB. Given his age, he could actually be a downgrade there.

HHCD>Gipson, that's a downgrade.

Kyle Long retiring is a downgrade, if only for the games he was healthy.

Mitch Trubisky with more film on his weaknesses is a downgrade. He could be even worse than last year, and Foles sucked in Jacksonville and got benched for Minshew, a 6th round rookie.

Foles broke his collar bone after throwing 8 passes last year. I'm not expecting him to be great by any means but better than Mitch last year isn't some unrealistic bar to clear.

I love Long but he was really bad last year.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Foles broke his collar bone after throwing 8 passes last year. I'm not expecting him to be great by any means but better than Mitch last year isn't some unrealistic bar to clear.

I love Long but he was really bad last year.

Yeah, but he came back late in the season and got benched for Minschew after about 5 quarters. That's all they had to see before they'd seen enough. But who knows? Maybe Foles is a system QB and Reid tree systems are the only ones he's good in.

In any event, Foles is probably going to be serviceable at worst, but whether or not any more upside exists is the question. I think they're going to have a difficult time scoring points and forcing turnovers defensively.

If they start the season with Trubisky I could see the season going south in a hurry.

 

[ClydeLee]

Jaylon Johnson, Kevin Toliver and anyone else for the 2nd CB position haven't proven shit yet. Until they do, Amukamara is better than they are.

Robert Quinn is only effective as a pass rusher as a DE in a 4-3 setup and is bad as an OLB in a 3-4. He's not an upgrade over Floyd, mostly because he has sucked as a 3-4 OLB. Given his age, he could actually be a downgrade there.

HHCD>Gipson, that's a downgrade.

Kyle Long retiring is a downgrade, if only for the games he was healthy.

Mitch Trubisky with more film on his weaknesses is a downgrade. He could be even worse than last year, and Foles sucked in Jacksonville and got benched for Minshew, a 6th round rookie.

Some seem like stretches but I see the point.

If anything was being sensibly sought from the QB play it would be to play Trubisky like he did 2 years ago. They actually can have potential TightEnd passing options and start with him being mobile and healthy so he can move. Is that a good option, not really but it can be the type to keep the ball and not overload the defense again better than the setup last year began with.

 

[clydesdale line]

I figured it was a given that the Bears had Mitch far ahead of anyone else on their draft board given that they traded up to get him, but man....



.... not even having a chat with another very highly ranked QB prospect is pretty bad....

And believe me, I don't want to touch the underlying context with a ten foot poll.

Or..... he lied.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

That's spectacularly bad narrative pushing on his end then.

 

[Sarava]

That's spectacularly bad narrative pushing on his end then.

Yep, Watson looks really bad right now. Almost as bad as Pace does for not taking him or Mahomes.

 

[RayP]

Just looking at the Bears schedule for the first time. Very easy first 6 weeks.... could easily be 5-1 or 4-2.

 

[chicagoskycam]

Just looking at the Bears schedule for the first time. Very easy first 6 weeks.... could easily be 5-1 or 4-2.

It does not look bad at all depending on the progress of their opponents, really hard to tell. I have to imagine the Rams are a better team than last year. Green Bay always plays us tough and Detroit can be a wildcard. We get Brady in week 3!

 

[RayP]

It does not look bad at all depending on the progress of their opponents, really hard to tell. I have to imagine the Rams are a better team than last year. Green Bay always plays us tough and Detroit can be a wildcard. We get Brady in week 3!

Yeah, we’ll see. I still think they’re a .500 team because of the offensive line.... but those first six weeks are cupcake soft that the defense could probably win those games.

 

[Sarava]

Just looking at the Bears schedule for the first time. Very easy first 6 weeks.... could easily be 5-1 or 4-2.

The schedule looks weak right now. Of course, who knows what teams jump up or regress this year.

I expect the Bears to have a good season. And the negativity around here is annoying. It's easy to predict bad things. You're going to be right more often than not taking the low road. But who wants to be that way? My God, how depressing.

 

[plasmonresonance]

fwiw - Noticed the Bears are a 1.5 underdog week 1 against Detroit. Ouch.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Saints release Guard Earl Watford. He would look good in a bears uniform. Also he's a ex saint player pace loves him some of that.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Raiders sign former bear prince amukumara

 

[Mrfenn92]

Giants deandre baker and seahawks db quinton Dunbar have arrest warrants issued for them for armed robbery.
They took $7k in cash and two watches worth $25k & 17k from a party.

You can give people life changing money but you can't fix stupid.