Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Pizzanpucks, Jun 9, 2021.
You like winning and winning in the playoffs. That's bold.
This debate was settled in last year's playoffs pretty decisively.
Point has the best team in the league infront of him.
Barzal is the key offensive weapon for the isles. Reverse their teams and Barzal would absolutely light it up.
Both tremendous players, but I'll take the kid doing it in Trotts super defensive system.
If this claim were true it would lead to more scoring. It doesn't, because it isn't. Barzal has 33 career playoff points, Point had 33 points in last years playoffs alone, while injured. Literally across the board Point has the upper hand, pick any stat you'd like. Barzal is closer to Tyler Johnson than Point.
I’m an islanders fan. That’s what im used to!
One has Palat and Kuch on his line the other has Eberle and Komarov.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
Imagine if Barzal got to play with Kucherov?
Your clueless and too much of a homer! Brayden Point in his best day will never out skate Matt Barzal! You put Barzal between Kucherov & Palat and nothing changes in Tampa!
Can win in the playoffs if you don't win enough to make them!
Barzal is better than Point. This would be more obvious if they were on the same team.
Of course the team with Drouin thinks that, you guys love perimeter players.
I'm neutral on this and I like both players, very good core pieces on quality teams. But it's posts like this that make me want to see Tampa eat shit. And for Barzal to be serving it to certain Bolts fans on a platter. Tyler Johnson? The same Tyler Johnson no one wanted for free? Wow.
It's not an attack, man. Do you think I'm going to suddenly change my opinion about a player because you change the subject? Grow up.
Yup watched Barzal skating in elite circles while turning it over the entire series. You put Barzal between Kucherov and Palat and Tampa doesn't have a cup, he's just not good enough. Doesn't exactly show up in big moments either.
Imagine if Tavares got to play with Marner?
Wow you are Clueless! Without Barzal, the Isles lose to Boston!! Shoot the Isles might not have made the playoffs!! Can't say that about Point! Without Point Tampa is still a contender!!!
So a question to my previous point, if anyone, especially NYI fans can answer, what's the reason Tavares failed spectacularly to up his production in a meaningful way with far better linemates? But apparently Barzal might? Anyone have an example of this actually happening?
Tavares was already at his peak when he was an Islander playing in a system similar to the Leafs which failed miserably! Isles had the worst goals against average when Tavares was Islander, he was just not a commited back checker thats why. It doesn't matter who he plays with, the guy is just an offensive player with no defensive commitment and guess what, you can't have 3 of them on one line with Tavares, Matthews, & Marner. Plus, Matthews is the better 1st liner.
Sweet Jesus..... it would be 3 passes taking like 28 seconds considering Kucherov would throw the puck to Barzal, he holds it and spins and circles the whole ice, passes it to Kucherov.... Only for Kucherov to just throw it right back to him seconds later for a turnover
Thanks for the answer. Might you know any example where an already elite player was able to up his production going from meh linemates to elite ones? Not trying to be a smarta**, genuinely curious..
Not sure, to lazy to do research on that. A lot of the times when elite players move to another team, nothing really happens, because most of the times elite talent stay with their teams. Panarin upped his production with Zibanajad and vise-versa, thats one on the top of my head.
Would still take Point without much thought, though I'm certainly a Bolts fan. That said, that's an excellent example, thanks!
Point - he's a keeper in my fantasy leagues for a reason.
Dude, I'm not saying Point stinks, but he is not that much different of a player than Barzal. Barzal is playing in a system that strangles his talents. Imagine this, Barzal only played 11 minutes the other day against the Bruins because they needed the Zajac, Palmeiri, Pageau line to cover the Bergeron line which was on the ice for like 20 minutes. Trotz did this all season. Also, Point plays with like players like Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Palat,...etc. If Point gets hurt, Tampa doesn't miss a beat. If the the Isles lose Barzal, they probably miss the playoffs, that is a huge difference!!!
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