Tavares had higher S% and oiSH% while having significantly worse possession stats, so I'm confused where your "more sustainable" argument comes from.Umm you definitely don't understand what sustainable means. Literally none of what you said has anything to do with sustainability.
One can score goals the other guy can't.
Matthews>>>>>>>>>>Barzal
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OP isn't an Isles fan champ. From a quick scan of his post history it appears he's a Pens fan, could be wrong though.It's so flattering that so many teams try to compare their best to our players.
Nonsense. One season was enough for Leaf fans to rave about Matthews, Marner and Nylander. You’ve come up with a very arbitrary test for sustainability. As for Barzal exceeding expectations what does that have to do with sustainability? A lot of great players aren’t number one picks. Barzal is elite. Just accept it.No actually. By my definition of sustainability, it means we can't evaluate a player properly after one great season in which he far surpassed anyone's expectations.
He rode a high PDO, crazy high zone starts and high OISh% to put together an incredible season.
I really love barzal. Honestly. But tavares has seasons of data that we can use to determine norms and outliers from.
Barzal is elite yes, but I and many others believe tavares is better. Simple as that.Nonsense. One season was enough for Leaf fans to rave about Matthews, Marner and Nylander. You’ve come up with a very arbitrary test for sustainability. As for Barzal exceeding expectations what does that have to do with sustainability? A lot of great players aren’t number one picks. Barzal is elite. Just accept it.
That’s a pretty poor analogy. Crosby is generational. Matthews has a career high of 69 points in an injury shortened season and is in the same group as Barzal, Laine, Eichel and a couple of others. Behind MacKinnon and McDavid. Matthews is a great young player but I’d pump the brakes on those kind of comparisons.Matthews is on another level. I like Barzal don't get me wrong, but comparing Matthews and him is akin to Crosby vs Sequin
Get back to us in January and February, when Pajama Boy takes his vacation from scoring.Barzal is elite yes, but I and many others believe tavares is better. Simple as that.
And I and many others disagree. Simple as that.Barzal is elite yes, but I and many others believe tavares is better. Simple as that.
Im curious what causes people to significantly prefer one or the other. I realize there are alot of Leaf fans on here and they will support Matthews no matter what(as most fan bases do with their players) but i am curious peoples reasoning why they think Matthews is quite a bit better than Barzal. And i am actually curious... Not trying to start trouble cause i am a MASSIVE fan of both players
Both are unreal, both centermen, both are prime players to build around, IMO Barzal generates a bit more offense yet has a lesser defensive game...where as IMO Matthews is a bit better playing a defensive game but a bit lesser offensive game(i know, i know Matthews was out scoring Barzal this season before getting hurt, but i feel JT is a huge reason for early success)
Barzal is currently at 97 points in 97 games to start his career and Matthews is pretty close to also being a point per game (148 points in 155 regular season games)
I dunno, its a pretty close race IMO... I know alot of people automatically like to say Matthews, but when you watch these 2 play, its pretty damn close. Both are unreal young players.
I prefer Matthews because he’s an elite goal scorer while Barzal is an elite play maker.Im curious what causes people to significantly prefer one or the other. I realize there are alot of Leaf fans on here and they will support Matthews no matter what(as most fan bases do with their players) but i am curious peoples reasoning why they think Matthews is quite a bit better than Barzal. And i am actually curious... Not trying to start trouble cause i am a MASSIVE fan of both players
Both are unreal, both centermen, both are prime players to build around, IMO Barzal generates a bit more offense yet has a lesser defensive game...where as IMO Matthews is a bit better playing a defensive game but a bit lesser offensive game(i know, i know Matthews was out scoring Barzal this season before getting hurt, but i feel JT is a huge reason for early success)
Barzal is currently at 97 points in 97 games to start his career and Matthews is pretty close to also being a point per game (148 points in 155 regular season games)
I dunno, its a pretty close race IMO... I know alot of people automatically like to say Matthews, but when you watch these 2 play, its pretty damn close. Both are unreal young players.
Goals count more than assists if points are equal (subconsciously, and thats just reality imo). That and Matthews has the prototypical #1 center frame, even if he does get injured..first overall pick...leafs...hype.
But mainly because Matthews has been doing it for an extra year.
Matthews defensive game and overall play is what makes him above Barzal, why do people only pretend offense is all that matters.
Do you sing the same tune with a Barkov vs. Matthews poll?
Anyway, between Matthews and Barzal, I choose Matthews. But it is close.
Id like to hear who fans from other teams would prefer if they had to hand over a similar huge long term contract.
Obviously both are young elite centermen... One is a bigger goal scorer, other is a playmaker guy. Both play well defensively but one is a bit better... One has been injured a bit already while other has so far been healthy(knock on wood)
I know every team has different types of players on their team and some may prefer a Matthews type or some may have some pure goal scorers that desperately want a Barzal type to set them up.
I know this is a thread to see who people think is better, but id be curious going through all teams what player their fan base feels would be a better fit and worthy of a similar massive contract
Put your head on my shoulder?If that tune is you need to judge a player on all aspects of his game, then yes I do.