Barker following the long WHL d-men line?

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  1. Green Star

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    I dont know if there have been any good d-men in NHL from WHL before but I will start from 1995 to 2004. From NHL draft 1995 to NHL draft 2004 we have seen d-mens such as Wade Redden, Eric Brewer, Brad Stuart, Jay Bouwmester, Braydon Coburn, Dion Phaneuf and Brent Searbrook. And now in 2004 there is the guy Cam Barker, none of the mentioned d-mens scored as much as Barker 65 points as an 18 years old. So I wonder, is Barker a special guy or does he just have a good year playing for one of WHL best team? Also all the mentioned d-mens return to WHL after their draft year so I think Barker will return too, it will be intresting to see what he can do in the upcoming WHL season.

    I also think Barker look most like Stuart when he was younger so for ppl who have seen both play in junior, was Stuart a better prospect than Barker?

    PS: Coburn, Phaneuf, Searbrook have not prove anything in NHL yet and Bouwmeester never returned to WHL after his draft year DS:
     
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    I hope that wasn't supposed to be an exhaustive list of the top WHL dmen grads, because it's not even close.

    But I'm not sure what you're getting at, exactly. Where you just thinking out loud? Or was your whole post to question whether Brad Stuart or Cam Barker was the better prospect?
     
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    My question is are Cam Barker a special d-men or did he have good numbers because of playing for a good WHL team?
     
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    Cam Barker was one of the biggest reasons the Tigres were a good team. That's why he was taken #3 overall.
     
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    I believe this year's calibre of forwards in MH largely affected his (imo) overinflated numbers. Watching him individually this year, I was quite surprised when I learned how good his stats were. He's still a solid player, but I don't think he's quite as good as his "numbers" represent him to be.
     
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    He was rated the third best WHL prospect behind Chipchura and Ladd (who hadn't even played a WHL game yet) in the preliminary CSS rankings for WHL players. At mid season, he was rated fifth in North America behind Chipchura, Ladd, Picard and Wolski even though he had as many points at mid season as any of the forwards except Picard. At the end of the year he was still behind Ladd who had a good season, but not a great one. I find this really strange as I mentioned on another thread. There must be things about him that bothered the scouts.

    Maybe it's just the fact that his facial features don't line up very well. ;)
     
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    I think several scouting publications had him as the #1 WHL prospect all year or almost all year.

    Central Scouting isn't the be all and end all...
     
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    exactly...looking over the CCS's track record with ranking prospects, i'd say THN has a better grasp of these prospects then they do.
     
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    Never heard the old adage..."draft forwards from the O(HL), defensemen from the W(HL), and goalies from the Q(MJHL)"
     
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    1995

    2nd overall NY Islanders Wade Redden D Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)

    9th overall Boston Kyle McLaren D Tacoma Rockets (WHL)

    144th overall Vancouver Brent Sopel D Swift Current Broncos (WHL)

    1996

    1st overall Ottawa Chris Phillips D Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)

    13rd overall Calgary Derek Morris D Regina Pats (WHL)


    27th overall Buffalo Cory Sarich D Saskatoon Blades (WHL)

    1997

    5th overall NY Islanders Eric Brewer D Prince George Cougars (WHL)

    23rd overall San Jose Scott Hannan D Kelowna Rockets (WHL)


    208th overall Pittsburgh Andrew Ference D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)

    1998

    3rd overall San Jose Brad Stuart D Regina Pats (WHL)

    19th overall Colorado Robyn Regehr D Kamloops Blazers (WHL)


    83rd overall St. Louis Matt Walker D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)

    1999

    17th overall St. Louis Barret Jackman D Regina Pats (WHL)

    23rd overall Chicago Steve McCarthy D Kootenay Ice (WHL)

    217th overall Atlanta Garnet Exelby D Saskatoon Blades (WHL)

    2000

    33rd overall Minnesota Nick Schultz D Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)

    64th overall NY Rangers Filip Novak D Regina Pats (WHL)

    88th overall Colorado Kurt Sauer D Spokane Chiefs (WHL)

    2001

    12th overall Nashville Dan Hamhuis D Prince George Cougars (WHL)

    19th overall Boston Shaone Morrisonn D Kamloops Blazers (WHL)

    31st overall Phoenix Matthew Spiller D Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)

    2002

    3rd overall Florida Jay Bouwmeester D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)

    104th overall Los Angeles Aaron Rome D Swift Current Broncos (WHL)

    2003

    8th overall Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)

    9th overall Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels (WHL)

    14th overall Chicago Brent Seabrooke D Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)


    30th overall St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans (WHL)

    49th overall Nashville Shea Weber D Kelowna Rockets (WHL)

    2004

    3rd overall Chicago Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)

    27th overall Washington Jeff Schultz D Calgary Hitmen (WHL)

    28th overall Dallas Mark Fistric D Vancouver Giants (WHL)

    29th overall Washington Mike Green D Saskatoon Blades (WHL)

    30th overall Tampa Bay Andy Rogers D Calgary Hitmen (WHL)

    43rd overall Buffalo Michael Funk D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)

    44th overall Edmonton Roman Tesliuk D Kamloops Blazers (WHL)

    Bold indicates star or potential star status


    Aside from 2002, which it yielded its best defensive prospect, at least 3 servicable defensemen has come from the WHL each draft year I've shown. While its still too early to tell, 2003 and 2004 show that trend should contine to develop.
     
  11. capman29

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    No he was taken # 3 because the best players were already taken before chicago drafted.By the the way read hockey's futures draft article for the washington for 2004 and you will be suprise by what they say abouth the d-men they drafted.Washington won that draft both at thee foward positions and the defense position . ;)
     
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    McKeens don't agree with the assesment of Schultz, specificaly his skating. They pose the question "If attacking forwards are leaving Schultz in the dust in the WHL, then how will he cope in the NHL?". I don't know if anyone else can provide another source for us on his skating.

    I don't have much of a problem with the other D picks, pretty solid. Although I wonder if I'd be so happy with that draft if Green had gone 28th.
     
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