Ben White
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similar career ppgs
one has a stanley cup and like 75 more playoff points up to this point
if either manages to win an individual trophy that will completely decide the answer though
One feeds the greatest goal scorer ever....the other made players like Moulson and Paranteau into big time scorers.
Tavares has definitely been a more valuable player with what he's done and who he's had to work with for most of his career. I guess 'better career' isn't really an objective question but i'd take him over Backstrom pretty easily.
And yet Tavares goes to a stacked offense and produces a whopping 4 more points than he did the year before.
The Cup is what separates them, PPG numbers are similar but Tavares lacks any sort of playoff resume.
Whenever people compare "resumes" with Tavares, they always leave out the teams they played on.
Washington was one of the most dominant teams in the last decade+. Backstrom played most of his career with the best goal scorer OF ALL TIME on his wing. The PP numbers are just...mindnumbing.
Do you think Backstrom hits the same numbers with PA Parenteau and Josh Bailey on his wing for the last decade?
Anyone who has played hockey knows that having weak linemates means playing a different style of hockey...the passes aren't as crisp, the chances you create are capitalized on less, etc.
I don't blame John Tavares for not winning us a cup with the absolute crap we gave him to play with.
One thing is for sure - after the wonderkids, the best forwards of the last decade are
Put them in whatever order makes you sleep better at night. Only one of those players had 3rd and 4th liners on his wing for the majority of their careers, though.
- Kane
- Giroux
- Stamkos
- Backstrom
- Tavares.
I'm leaning towards Backstrom atm. If Tavares pulls a cup with TOR, that could easily change my vote.
One feeds the greatest goal scorer ever....the other made players like Moulson and Paranteau into big time scorers.
Tavares has definitely been a more valuable player with what he's done and who he's had to work with for most of his career. I guess 'better career' isn't really an objective question but i'd take him over Backstrom pretty easily.
You'd think John Tavares would break those numbers with 94 point Mitch Marner on his team and a stacked PP. He didn't even top his best, anyone who knows hockey knows having better linemates should make you produce more no? I'll re-iterate the point, he scored a whopping 4 more points going from Josh Bailey to Mitch Marner.
And Tavares only played with Parenteau for 2 years... why do people make it seem like he played with him his whole career? Backstrom has had seasons where he's had to carry Washington's offense but because he's not a 1st overall pick you don't hear about it everytime he has the slightest woe-is-me issue.
That's not even bringing up how big a floater Tavares is compared to Backstrom the entirety of their careers.
thats not the question
Sure it is. People have this weird habit on here of over-analyzing semantics. "Who has had the better career?" is really no different than "Who has been the better player over their career?", but if you ask the former, people on here will invariably focus solely on accomplishments instead of actual quality of play
Sure it is. People have this weird habit on here of over-analyzing semantics. "Who has had the better career?" is really no different than "Who has been the better player over their career?", but if you ask the former, people on here will invariably focus solely on accomplishments instead of actual quality of play
those are two different questions
winning awards and stanley cups are what put players who are fringe HOF players in the HOF...
in 20 years nobody is going to be talking about PA Parenteau and Matt Moulson being JTs linemates
Of course they're different questions... what kind of thinking is this? It's not semantic's it's literally asking something different altogether
Tell me, who has had the better career, Jonathan Toews or Steven Stamkos? Now, who has been the better player over their career? If your answer isn't the same then you're wrong.
Quality of play? Backstrom has a higher career PPG, over 100 playoff points and a Cup. Ask Tavares to take the trade for his career and he takes it every time.
You'd think John Tavares would break those numbers with 94 point Mitch Marner on his team and a stacked PP. He didn't even top his best, anyone who knows hockey knows having better linemates should make you produce more no? I'll re-iterate the point, he scored a whopping 4 more points going from Josh Bailey to Mitch Marner.
And Tavares only played with Parenteau for 2 years... why do people make it seem like he played with him his whole career? Backstrom has had seasons where he's had to carry Washington's offense but because he's not a 1st overall pick you don't hear about it everytime he has the slightest woe-is-me issue.
That's not even bringing up how big a floater Tavares is compared to Backstrom the entirety of their careers.
Bingo, no one is going to care that he played with less and did nothing. I guess Tavares can pat himself on the back for it because he sure burned that bridge with the Islanders while Backstrom can look back and say he had a more productive career, played and produced in significantly more playoff games and has won. "Quality of play"
I made a thread about Tavares - I listed his top scoring linemates...you want to hear something sad? Parenteau was right near the top. You can try to find it if you don't believe me, it was an article at one point.
Why would you expect Tavares to hit new highs at his current age? Is Backstrom still hitting 100+? John is getting old, and he just finished as a runner up for the Rocket despite being in his 30's. These guys all have their prime years in their early 20's for the most part. My argument is you put John with Ovechkin (and Carlson, and Semin, etc) at 22 and do you really think he doesn't break 90 points, when he was putting close to that up with a much worse supporting squad?
It seems like you have personal issues with Tavares - the floater thing is just a nice drive by shot at him.