Babcock

[LeafFever]

Detroit Red Wings 2007-08 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

The 2003 Ducks were terrible and went to game 7 of the finals,

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The only people taking notice are the usual fanboy haters that do it endlessly throughout the season- one big yawn.

I'm a fan of the team, not a cheerleader for the coach. all I ask is he implements an effective system and motivates players to perform as best as they can in order to hopefully win in the playoffs. why would you want less?

 

[LeafShark]

Babcock needs to change how he coaches at home. Period.

 

[ElbowLander]

He never has his players back. Crosby in town and he couldn't contain himself talking about how great he is. He never talks up his own players. Keeps saying they need to learn to be pros. Guess what babs that's on you

 

[authentic]

The 2008 Red Wings were the best team since the lockout, and I don't even think it's up for debate. They owned the puck on the ice like no other team of this era, but that's besides the point. If Babcock tryed to match lines more and utilized his players ice time from top to bottom like basically every other team did then call me crazy but I think we would be even better. Also though let's not forget it's been 2 games and I think we'll all be fine by the end of this week.

 

[IPS]

The only people taking notice are the usual fanboy haters that do it endlessly throughout the season- one big yawn.

what's a "fanboy hater?"

I mean I know of Babcock fanboys who literally cling to his every word and defend every one of his decisions, but I didn't know you could fanboy over him and hate him at the same time.

 

[authentic]

The 2003 Ducks were terrible and went to game 7 of the finals,

Giguere was something else that season, but yes Babcock used to be a very good coach. I don't believe he is anymore, but I also don't think he's the worst, he is just too set in his ways I think.

 

[hector morrison]

Eh, you can make the same argument with Quennville.

Yeah ,I suppose,but Chicago was forced to make some adjustments in regard to the cap and still pulled it off! Same core mostly! Not sure Babs can do the same! Hope so,though!

 

[LeafFever]

Babcock needs to change how he coaches at home. Period.

It's like having last change hurts him. Which is odd.

 

[LeafFever]

The 2008 Red Wings were the best team since the lockout, and I don't even think it's up for debate. They owned the puck on the ice like no other team of this era, but that's besides the point. If Babcock tryed to match lines more and utilized his players ice from top to bottom like basically every other team did then call me crazy but I think we would be even better. Also though let's not forget it's been 2 games and I think we'll all be fine by the end of this week.

2010 Hawks say hi.

 

[CelticDruid]

I'm a fan of the team, not a cheerleader for the coach. all I ask is he implements an effective system and motivates players to perform as best as they can in order to hopefully win in the playoffs. why would you want less?

Didn't say that I wanted less. I think that he is a great coach and is perfect for this team. We are still at least two to three years away from seriously challenging for the Stanley Cup, I can wait.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Didn't say that I wanted less. I think that he is a great coach and is perfect for this team. We are still at least two to three years away from seriously challenging for the Stanley Cup, I can wait.

how much better do you think this roster is going to get? you're going to be disappointed

 

[LeafFever]

Didn't say that I wanted less. I think that he is a great coach and is perfect for this team. We are still at least two to three years away from seriously challenging for the Stanley Cup, I can wait.

Why exactly?

 

[Critical13]

I’m losing some faith but I am not sure how much can be put on him. We don’t have enough talent on the wings.

 

[Cor]

saying it's bipolar makes it sound like people switch back and forth between thinking he's a good coach and a bad one. that's not the case. I can't remember the last time I was impressed with his coaching ability. he's been pretty consistently underwhelming, and it's making people take greater notice of it the longer it goes

The team starts 6-1 and everything, or most things are hunky dory.

2 straight losses and suddenly 2/3 of the roster and the entire management team are bad at their jobs.

It can mainly be chalked up to over analyzing things. It makes GDT’s, PGT’s, and he first 10 pages of any transaction thread garbage to read, and I’m not necessarily innocent of it myself.

The best posts on this board are the ones where the poster has sat back and looked at a subject and gave an honest, fair and CALM perspective on said subject. Not everyone needs to agree with each other, and negatives are certainly worth discussing, but the instant analysis stuff on our board is downright cringy.

Threads like this for example, created in the heat of a disappointing loss, existing only to vent frustration or to rile up that frustration in others. Referring to another human as a “pet”. Asking what is needed to get a change at coaching on a team that has won 55 of their last 90 regular season games, not getting any points in just 28 of those games.

Now I’m not against the theory that a great team can require a change of coaching. I had the same theory about Dwayne Casey, who lost his job after a franchise record season and winning coach of the year, but that didn’t mean much because after 5-6 seasons with essentially the same core, the team couldn’t get past the hump. They never truly competed.

In this case it’s been just two full seasons with part of this core and the Leafs top 4 players have never played a single game together yet.

I’m not saying Babcock at some point won’t need to be replaced, however there’s nothing to base that conclusion on as of yet. At the end of the 19-20 season and the team hasn’t had any playoff success (say a trip to round 3 in the next two seasons) then sure, you have to look at making the change.

Now? It’s an insane suggestion

 

[CelticDruid]

what's a "fanboy hater?"

I mean I know of Babcock fanboys who literally cling to his every word and defend every one of his decisions, but I didn't know you could fanboy over him and hate him at the same time.

Fans of hating, just for the sake of hating Babcock no matter what he does. It's all so tedious.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I'm a fan of the team, not a cheerleader for the coach. all I ask is he implements an effective system and motivates players to perform as best as they can in order to hopefully win in the playoffs. why would you want less?

Leafs are one of the hardest working teams in the league, thats a Babcock thing. Also, teams are now trying to trap the Leafs in the neutral zone, thats how effective babcocks systems are.You dont pay enough attention to on and off the ice ...

 

[authentic]

2010 Hawks say hi.

I think Detroit was better. They would give them a run for their money though, but Lidstrom > Keith, Datsyuk > Toews and Zetterberg > Kane.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

The team has gotten better every year he’s been coach. He’s a good coach but sometimes you have a bad game.

We would win more if our bottom 6 wasn’t glacially cold, the top 6 couldn’t carry us forever.

 

[thewave]

Brown to 21mins a night.

 

[Anthrax442]

Usage, ice time distribution, lineup decisions, systems, need I go further?

 

[Liminality]

Think I'll judge him after the season is done and not after 2 straight losses.

 

[CelticDruid]

Why exactly?

Too soft, too weak on the backend and not enough size.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I will ask this once, this question usually stumps the person when asked ...

How was babcock out coached?

I’ll bite. In the last two games the opponent coaches have figured out a way to stop the Leaf’s system of stretch passes by clogging up the neutral zone and taking time and space away from Leaf players. They’ve watched video and out coached him. What adjustments has Babcock made to his system? I haven’t seen any. How do Kadri and Connor frikken Brown have a greater TOI than Tavares? His team is lacking intensity, and although some of that is on the players, it’s the coach’s job to get them ready to play. He’s overrated as a coach.

 

[Advanced stats]

Connor Brown for 18 minutes

Fwiw, Connor brown has never played 18 minutes a night (this season)