GDT: Avs vs Jets 6PM MST: We're better on the road right?

[Foppberg]

Nice to see who the scapegoat of the season is.

Lets all do this tomorrow when you lot psychotically rage towards Varlamov.

Who's said for the season? He's been average outside of the Carolina game and 1 or 2 others, and bad in way too many for him to ever grab the #1G role that's just sitting there for him.

 

[AvsGuy]

I had more confidence in Calvert ****ing pickard

Honestly I don’t know if they’d be into each other that way

 

[S E P H]

Both of the deserve every ounce of poop thrown at them right now. I have zero faith in either one.

It's like burning 9M in a dumpster fire right now.

For the record my comment wasn't for today, but it seems that whenever Grubs plays, there are certain posters who awake from the shadows even if we win the effin' game. It is quite annoying.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Helleybuck wasn't brilliant but made big saves to keep his team in front. Nobody expects your goalie to always stand on his head but tonight's performance by Grubauer was unacceptable. Not only was he technically deficient but his body language didn't inspire any confidence. On many goals, it appears he couldn't even tell what happened

Hellebuyck did what good goalies do, even when they aren't having a great game he made timely saves.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Ryker is back to his old self with the honest analysis.

 

[The Merchant]

Well isn’t that just frustrating as ****.

#SourOnGrubauer

 

[CobraAcesS]

For the record my comment wasn't for today, but it seems that whenever Grubs plays, there are certain posters who awake from the shadows even if we win the effin' game. It is quite annoying.

Yeah but if you want the birds to shut the f*** up then you shouldn't give them that many reasons to chirp you.

 

[The Merchant]

And for the first time in NHL history, a team will have the first two picks in a draft.

I mean...I'm kinda down

 

[The Kingslayer]

This going be good.

1. A game we were dominant at times 5 on 5. Loved the effort, tenacity and battle all night. A game where we deserved 1 point based on that.

2. Really liked the second line tonight. Were buzzing all night and forechecked like a bunch of midgets on pcp.

3. Lack of execution for much of the night killed us. We could score in prime spots and the Jets scored almost anytime they wanted.

4. Ian Cole was terrible all night and this has been going on for a long time. Tonight took the cake. That first goal is such a terrible play that I cant get over it. Guenin like and maybe even worse because you expect more from a veteran like Cole. Not much we can do I guess until help arrives and hopeully it pushed Cole down the pairings.

5. Yes, Grubauer was awful tonight. God awful. I dont want to pile on and im not gonna say hes been awful all season as some here suggest but tonight yah he was awful. Couldnt make a save when we needed it the most. Its not just letting in goals part at the worse times thats the issue but its the sort of goals he lets in that really deflates. The first two goals I wont fault him on but the other goals minus the breakaway are on him. An awful showing and I would be shocked if he starts another game this road trip unless Varly completely shits the bed or gets injured. There is no excuse for that Little goal or the Copp goal. None.

6. Despite getting two goals I thought Landy was pretty bad tonight with the puck. Alot of plays died on his stick and the culmination of the bad puck night came in the gorgeous turnover that lead to the breakaway goal.

7. Rantanen was mr invisible tonight. Clear now that the dominant Mikko might not be showing up the rest of the way here. He doesnt have the same jump he had early on. Could be gassed, fatigued, injured etc. He hasnt even just been good most nights lately.

8. Very clear we cannot role out Ghetto Dries and LOC on a line. Dries isnt very good and Ghetto is wasted on that line. I would explore trading Ghetto for some big bodied 3rd-4th liner at this point as he doesnt really fill a role on this team anymore. LOC I was fine with. If the choice is LOC or Bork ya'll know what im gonna pick.

9. Our special teams cost us again. Jets went what 3/4 tonight and we went 1/5? something like that. We had a pp to tie it and couldnt convert. Hit post and didnt bear down. Typical of how we been playing since early December.

10. Very clear this team needs Z and **sigh** Wilson back. I really hope when Z is ready that Graves isnt the sacrificial lamb. Its a terrible message to send to a kid whose come up filled in and has been playing better than some of your regulars. Hes also scored in back to back games. Bench Nemeth and keep the kid playing until he falls off.

 

[Avs425]

Why are you fixated on winning seasons? His first three years with them he only played 23 games combined... Takes goaltenders a long time to get their **** together. He's been great for the Islanders.

But whatever, this is off topic.

Huh? what else would you look at? You want to get rid of sucky goalie A and replace him with goalie B who has a worse track record than goalie A just to save a buck that really doesn't have any hinderance on the teams cap? Grubauer started off just a slow has Lehner but with more wins, he is younger than Lehner and more potential ( i guess the potential part is arguable now i suppose)

So you can evaluate Lehner on his one good 21 game season with the Islanders but one bad season with 19 games for Grubauer and he sucks? i just don't get the hate.

 

[The Merchant]

Wow I just saw the shorthanded goal for the first time...that may take the cake for dumbf*** play of the year in a year in which there are many

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Super penalty killer Matt Calvert has really helped us out, too. Elite defensive forward.

 

[Foppberg]

Huh? what else would you look at? You want to get rid of sucky goalie A and replace him with goalie B who has a worse track record than goalie A just to save a buck that really doesn't have any hinderance on the teams cap? Grubauer started off just a slow has Lehner but with more wins, he is younger than Lehner and more potential ( i guess the potential part is arguable now i suppose)

So you can evaluate Lehner on his one good 21 game season with the Islanders but one bad season with 19 games for Grubauer and he sucks? i just don't get the hate.

Stats, save percentage, etc... It's a team game.

Roberto Luongo's first 5 seasons he had a losing record, does he suck?

Lehner played on a horrible Buffalo team and an average - bad Sens team, but if you look at his actual numbers they've always been pretty solid.

Grubauer got to play behind a perennial cup contender with Barry Trotz as their coach. Have had similar numbers except for the wins, but a goalie can't score.

A little context goes a long way.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Canucks ended up with #2 and 3 overall in the Sedins draft. Can the Avs do better?

 

[S E P H]

Yeah but if you want the birds to shut the **** up then you shouldn't give them that many reasons to chirp you.

No doubt about that, but I am not saying this as a Grubs fan. My favourite goaler is Francouz and I want him to start at least one game, but this entire GDT is unreadable due to all the bed wetting about how terrible Grubauer. Okay that's fine, I get it that he didn't play good, but again even the games when we win with him or the ones he played good people still **** the bed with him regardless. Perhaps he will never be a starting goaler and if that's the case it's okay (to me). He's still one hell of a back up goaler and provides any team with a strong one-two punch.

 

[AvsFan29]

And for the first time in NHL history, a team will have the first two picks in a draft.

It's not possible for our pick to even be top 5 without extreme lottery luck. We could miss the playoffs, but that would be about it. No matter how badly our goaltending and defence can be, our top line alone stops us from tanking.

We do not want to miss the playoffs with this line up. Having a marginally higher pick in the draft is not worth it. It just isn't.

 

[AvsFan29]

Canucks ended up with #2 and 3 overall in the Sedins draft. Can the Avs do better?

No

 

[Avs44]

I've defended Grubauer most of the year, far more than most. He does get unfair blame around here. He's had some good games, Bednar hasn't been very consistent with him, and it's always an adjustment switching teams, especially going from Washington to one as scrambly as the Avs. And I'll still give him time. But man, tonight he was bad. I don't put the first two goals on him at all, but come on...make a save. Especially the fifth goal. The Avs don't need a goalie to win them games, they need one who doesn't lose them games, and tonight I thought Grubauer did just that. Far too often lately we've said that if the goalies were switched the Avs would have won, and tonight was sure one of those nights.

Cole was great up until game #17 by my count. He then went on a stretch of utterly abysmal hockey that should have seen him benched, slightly recovered, and is now back to sucking again. He's exactly as advertised. A #4/5 guy who all too often clearly belongs on the bottom pairing because he gets exposed with too many minutes. Right now he's just a Patrick Nemeth playing 20 minutes a night. Can't wait to pay this guy $4.25 million for a further two seasons after this instead of a real top four defender.

The team as a collective deserved better tonight. It might sound like sour eggs but I think the Jets were awfully lucky to take this one. Every bounce went their way. Normally going into Winnipeg and outshooting them 41-21 would be a recipe for success.

Overall, a really ugly night for Sakic's big offseason. His 1B goaltender acquisition was poor, his big UFA splash on defense sucked, PK specialist Matt Calvert has done **** to improve the PK, and the forward "depth" on the team was abysmal -- the fourth line let the Jets kick the front door down, steal their wallets, rob the joint, and mug them.

I'll also keep saying it: We need a defensive pair we can rely on. EJ isn't good enough to carry a pairing right now (will he ever be again?), Girard is really struggling in his own end, Cole was brilliant at the start of the year and was fulfilling that role but has been very poor (and frequently a liability) since, Nemeth is Nemeth, and Barrie -- who I think is our best D -- isn't good enough to go out there and play ~23 minutes of mistake free hockey against the opposition's best players because that simply is not his game and shouldn't have to be. It's bloody ugly without a reliable, big-minute pairing right now to settle things down when the team needs it. This team needs a Ryan McDonaugh trade to fall into their laps in the worst way.

On the Jet's side of things...give me Adam Lowry. What a fantastic player.

 

[CobraAcesS]

No doubt about that, but I am not saying this as a Grubs fan. My favourite goaler is Francouz and I want him to start at least one game, but this entire GDT is unreadable due to all the bed wetting about how terrible Grubauer. Okay that's fine, I get it that he didn't play good, but again even the games when we win with him or the ones he played good people still **** the bed with him regardless. Perhaps he will never be a starting goaler and if that's the case it's okay (to me). He's still one hell of a back up goaler and provides any team with a strong one-two punch.

I'm not even sure how that last part applies. When hes come in in relief hes been bad, when hes started hes been bad. Even in his wins you can make a solid argument he played like shit and we out scored the mistakes.

No team in the NHL plays a mistake free game none. NHL goalies have to come up with some big saves. It's just a fact.

Now there might be some over the top comments, but hes really making it easy to just rail on him with hyperbole level comments and it is bad enough that some of them don't even look like hot takes anymore.

Varly and Grub both have put themselves in a spot where it is very difficult to defend them.

I have more of a problem with people acting like it is an overreaction to like anything about Graves right now because every team apparently has this player in the AHL, and we're just not used to seeing it. Thus any praise given to the kid should be swept aside.

 

[Raucherhusten]

Grubi not playing well wouldn't even be an issue if Varly would play well. But he isn't, and he hasn't been for over a month now. I'm actually at a point now where i think we HAVE to give Franc a shot to steal the net. But i can't see that happening as long as both goalies are healthy and with the Avs. I also can't see Sakic trading one of them because of what happened last season. No matter how you put it it's a shitty situation.

The Stars, for example, won a game tonight where they got outshot 27-17. Let that sink in. THIS is what good goaltending can do for you and THIS is what we haven't got ALL DAMN SEASON.

Not an easy task to not get frustrated as a fan. And as a player as well.

 

[Puckstop40]

I look forward to the possibility of Kakko or Hughes at least

 

[Avs425]

Stats, save percentage, etc... It's a team game.

Roberto Luongo's first 5 seasons he had a losing record, does he suck?

Lehner played on a horrible Buffalo team and an average - bad Sens team, but if you look at his actual numbers they've always been pretty solid.

Grubauer got to play behind a perennial cup contender with Barry Trotz as their coach. Have had similar numbers except for the wins, but a goalie can't score.

A little context goes a long way.

So you can argue that "context" is Lehner is a good goalie because he played on a bad team and had average stats and now that he plays on a good team he is even better so he is good, but in the same sentence down play Grubi's stats because he played on a good team so his stats are inflated. To me a goalie with more wins trumps and goalie with a slightly better save percentage.

If it isn't Nemeth its Gork, if it isn't Gork than it's Jost, if it isn't Jost it's Barrie, If it isn't Barrie Its Grubauer. Just wait until we sign a big name UFA and they have a bad game.

 

[Postanin CB Ting]

Nemo seems like the guy to sit when Z gets back (hopefully soon). If Cole keeps this up he could sit a game as well. I like the way 27 is playing and love seeing that number on the Avs.
Only thing i had against Grubauer before wasn't even his fault, just didnt want to see Varly go. Lately his play, and even more so his body language is scary.
Id love to go with Varly and Frank next year. Saw Varly stand on his head too many times to rule him out. Realistically I dont see where were gonna get better goaltending. Maybe when our defense is truly strong and not giving up as many chances, his groin will hold up.
Not sure how bad it would look on Sakic but teams always need goalies, id sign the 2 Ufa and shop Grubs.

 

[Avs71]

Can’t get over how bad Grubuaer is. Was a fun game to be at, but that guy sucks in Avs uniform.

 

[Foppberg]

So you can argue that "context" is Lehner is a good goalie because he played on a bad team and had average stats and now that he plays on a good team he is even better so he is good, but in the same sentence down play Grubi's stats because he played on a good team so his stats are inflated. To me a goalie with more wins trumps and goalie with a slightly better save percentage.

If it isn't Nemeth its Gork, if it isn't Gork than it's Jost, if it isn't Jost it's Barrie, If it isn't Barrie Its Grubauer. Just wait until we sign a big name UFA and they have a bad game.

We're not going to agree on this. You're just not grasping the "team game" part