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I think the point of Vancouver moving to #4 would be to draft Byram, but trading for Barrie AND Byram? That doesn't make that much sense, especially with Hughes already there.Not a chance Sakic is trading down from 4 in a Barrie trade.
The only way Barrie gets moved is it we take Byram at 4.
We won't be packaging 4+Barrie to get Horvat and 10.
Any deal of Barrie is contingent on us nabbing Byram.
But our blueline only became an advantage with Barrie + Makar. So you're expecting 1 offseason to make Cale capable of not just replicating his own strong start even after teams start to adapt to him, but also taking over the responsibilities of our #1 blueliner. I dunno if even prime-Cale will be a safe bet to give us what we got out of him+Barrie this postseason...much less rookie-Cale...
Nevermind how increasing EJ's workload would only increase the chances of last season's cliff-dive to accelerate. I was nervous enough with EJ PK-specialist'ing it up with Cole on the third pairing.
Whereas turning our forward core into an advantage only requires a capable 2nd line that can just hold par against other 2nd lines. Our top line gives us an advantage in every match and if Jost / Soda / Jimmothy / etc. where in the bottom 6...where they belong...our bottom 6 would give us an advantage as well.
So moving our best blueliner to fill a hole that we just need patched adequately, while taking away the advantage we currently enjoy on the blueline, makes little sense to me.
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Didn't mean to drag you into this, just you're kinda the poster boy for the 'trade Barrie' side of these debates. I think at the end of the day both sides do have valid points but nobodies changed their opinions in over 2+ years of this debate, so I don't really see the point of it anymore.
I don't expect the Rookie to anchor anything except the first unit PP next year. EJ is regressing, but should still be viable for 2 more seasons. I think his shoulder injury played a big role in the playoffs he had. EJ was our minuet muncher all of last year and Barrie or no, I doubt that's going to change. I'm also a bit concerned about Makar's ice time if we keep Barrie.We just don't see the game the same way if you're content with banking on a rookie & this version of EJ to anchor a contending top 4.
If you want to go into greater depth, I can do so after my test that starts in 3 hours.
I think we have different theories on roster building and what Makar will bring to this team in a full season, so I'm going to leave it alone.
Looking forward to draft weekend! This is the most excited I've been for an Avalanche draft since we took MacK.
Yuckyuckyuckyuckyuck.Sign Ferland to $5M x 5
Yuckyuckyuckyuckyuck.
Far, far better than Pavelski for 3 years.Yuckyuckyuckyuckyuck.
I don't expect the Rookie to anchor anything except the first unit PP next year. EJ is regressing, but should still be viable for 2 more seasons. I think his shoulder injury played a big role in the playoffs he had. EJ was our minuet muncher all of last year and Barrie or no, I doubt that's going to change. I'm also a bit concerned about Makar's ice time if we keep Barrie.
Pavelski, Lee, Nyquist, Zuccarello.@RoyIsALegend from previous thread...
Pavelski
Nyquist
Lee
Zuccarello
Ferland
Dzingel
Connolly
Out of this list, who is the true 2nd liner that will help the Avs upgrade secondary scoring enough to take the next step?
Pavelski will be ok for a year or two I guess, he can still put up 50 to 60 points for the next couple of years.
The rest are kinda meh, except for Lee. I think for me its Pavelski but only if it's for a year or two and Lee
Draft Byram at #4
Trade Barrie + Kerfoot + #16 for Horvat + #10
Draft Knight at #10
Sign Pavelski to $7M x 3
Sign Ferland to $5M x 5
2019-20
Landy - MacKinnon - Mikko
Jost - Horvat - Pavelski
Ferland - Soda - Compher
Nieto - Toninato - Calvert
Girard - EJ
Zadorov - Makar
Cole - Barberio
x - Timmins, Greer
2020-21
Landy - MacKinnon - Mikko
Jost - Horvat - Pavelski
Ferland - Bowers - Compher
Nieto - Toninato - Greer
Byram - Makar
Girard - EJ
Zadorov - Timmins
x - Cole, Calvert
Far, far better than Pavelski for 3 years.
In fact, I don't even think we can get Ferland for that kind of money/term. Too low.
Give me Pavelski for 3 years over Ferland at 5 years.Far, far better than Pavelski for 3 years.
In fact, I don't even think we can get Ferland for that kind of money/term. Too low.
It doesn't make it any better.In fact, I don't even think we can get Ferland for that kind of money/term. Too low.