Rumor: Avs Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents 18-19 part XXX|6'3" or You Don't Exist

[EdAVSfan]

Hmm so a 19.1% increase over 5 years...

So that is 3.82% yearly growth...

So that means by year 5, EJ will be a 4.8M 5D...interesting.

By year 5, EJ won’t have a contract.

 

[xbestboybandever]

By year 5, EJ won’t have a contract.

I'll take that bet.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I'll take that bet.

Lol, I’m not it saying he won’t be in the NHL.

I’m saying his contract expires in 4.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Lol, I’m not it saying he won’t be in the NHL.

I’m saying his contract expires in 4.

See! Perfect he will be a 4.8M FA!

 

[Miri]

The only reason the Avs may not have to add in such a trade is b/c RNH only has 2 years left on his deal. You might not like the proposals in here, but it’s reality.

I think you’re underestimating (1) how much of a hit a guy’s trade value takes in the last year of his deal who’s about to get paid and (2) how much Barrie’s defensive deficiencies affect his value.

I think it is you who keep underestimating Barrie´s value. RNH scored barely 10 points more than Barrie this year. 10 points less than him last year (did play only 62 games though). As a forward. Avs would be definitely not the ones to add. It shall be a hockey trade, at worst.
I guess now you tell us he is actually better D-man than Barrie.

 

[RockLobster]

The only reason the Avs may not have to add in such a trade is b/c RNH only has 2 years left on his deal. You might not like the proposals in here, but it’s reality.

I think you’re underestimating (1) how much of a hit a guy’s trade value takes in the last year of his deal who’s about to get paid and (2) how much Barrie’s defensive deficiencies affect his value.

 

[Echo Roku]

Projection =/= speculation

Actually it technically is, no?

I’d agree it has inaccurate implications to phrase it as such though

 

[cgf]

Actually it technically is, no?

I’d agree it has inaccurate implications to phrase it as such though

lol whoops, meant to write "pure speculation"; which separates it from the information/evidence that is needed for projection. Unlike "informed speculation", which comes close to projection...but still doesn't have the same burden of proof.

 

[Ceremony]

Lads, give it up with the insecurity and fascination about Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. It's over. We won.

 

[AvsCOL]

This summer will be the beginning of doom for some teams. The contract that will be handed out this summer will be completely ridiculous.

I'm a huge Jeff Skinner fan, but if he gets $9.5mil, that's bad news for every team trying to get a decent price on UFAs. Duchene gets $10mil + if that's the case, and he's in NO WAY a $10mil player.

If anything, this means that the Avs absolutely need to sign Rantanen to 7+ years.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Freudian]

If everyone will be overpaid in the future, will they really be overpaid?

 

[Ivan13]

Trouba will be traded for sure. I don't think there is a player as likely to be traded as he is.

 

[CobraAcesS]

This is what I don't get.. Why are NHL GMs allowing RFAs to bend them over? Stone and Kucherov were basically UFA signings at 9.5M?

Why in the flying f*** should Marner, Mikko, etc be getting that much? Let alone pushing for shit like 11M?

 

[Freudian]

This is what I don't get.. Why are NHL GMs allowing RFAs to bend them over? Stone and Kucherov were basically UFA signings at 9.5M?

Why in the flying **** should Marner, Mikko, etc be getting that much? Let alone pushing for **** like 11M?

It started with agents pushing back against bridge deals coming out of ELCs and GMs caved. With bridge deals off the table for young stars agents started arguing (which is a reasonable stance, especially for forwards) that young players are close to their peak early on and deserve the big bucks.

I wonder if the Matthews 5 year deal will become the new normal where the young guys not only make top dollars but also don't give away many UFA years. For Avs sake, I hope not.

 

[Balthazar]

Trouba will be traded for sure. I don't think there is a player as likely to be traded as he is.

Will be interesting to see if it's Yzerman's first major move as the Wings GM.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It started with agents pushing back against bridge deals coming out of ELCs and GMs caved. With bridge deals off the table for young stars agents started arguing (which is a reasonable stance, especially for forwards) that young players are close to their peak early on and deserve the big bucks.

I wonder if the Matthews 5 year deal will become the new normal where the young guys not only make top dollars but also don't give away many UFA years. For Avs sake, I hope not.

I get arguing, but the lack of leverage is what baffles me. It is like Dubas caving in the final hour for Nylander. Their team was playing well. All he needed to do was lay a contract on the table in October and walk the f*** away.

Players like McDavid and Matthews I get to an extent. They are your #1 centers.

There is another point.. these f***ing wingers demanding 10+ with years and years of RFA status left.

Some of these GMs have become spineless AF.

 

[Balthazar]

It started with agents pushing back against bridge deals coming out of ELCs and GMs caved. With bridge deals off the table for young stars agents started arguing (which is a reasonable stance, especially for forwards) that young players are close to their peak early on and deserve the big bucks.

I wonder if the Matthews 5 year deal will become the new normal where the young guys not only make top dollars but also don't give away many UFA years. For Avs sake, I hope not.

Lou left Toronto a year too early. That's what happened.

Was listening the Hockey Central a Noon podcast (yesterday's episode) and Brian Burke was explaining how Dubas has lost the Nylander battle, which led to the Matthews contract, which will lead to the Marner contract. It was very good.

They were saying they knew for a fact that Matthews had agreed to sign for longer and less money before the Nylander contract. Dubas really screwed up and now he has painted himself in the corner.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Lou left Toronto a year too early. That's what happened.

Was listening the Hockey Central a Noon podcast (yesterday's episode) and Brian Burke was explaining how Dubas has lost the Nylander battle, which led to the Matthews contract, which will lead to the Marner contract. It was very good.

They were saying they knew for a fact that Matthews had agreed to sign for longer and less money before the Nylander contract. Dubas really screwed up and now he has painted himself in the corner.

Which is a big reason why the Barrie situation needs to be handled very carefully.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I think it is you who keep underestimating Barrie´s value. RNH scored barely 10 points more than Barrie this year. 10 points less than him last year (did play only 62 games though). As a forward. Avs would be definitely not the ones to add. It shall be a hockey trade, at worst.
I guess now you tell us he is actually better D-man than Barrie.

Your only argument here is points, despite RNH having a higher scoring percentage per game. You make it seem like that’s the only part of the game that matters and ignore everything else.

You clearly anticipated my argument about Barrie’s defensive abilities (or lack thereof), but chose to completely discount/ignore that aspect. RNH is a good (but not great) 2 way forward that’s at least average defensively and good enough to play PK consistently. Barrie however, is below average defensively (to put it nicely).

In a vacuum, sure Barrie and RNH are similar in value. HOWEVER, as I’ve said before, the fact that Barrie’s in the last year of his deal is a key factor here. Barrie is going to ask for $8m+ from any new team he’s traded to, which significantly reduces his value.

But in reality, Barrie’s contract situation reduces his value, resulting in a situation where the Avs would probably have to add to Barrie in order to return RNH.

 

[lonelybadger]

I agree that Dubas messed up with Nylander. Nylander got everything he wanted, the term, the structure, the dollars. Dubas and the Toronto media was all over the (but it saves some cap hit because he signed late) train but it was all ridiculous. Matthews bent him over and got at least fair market value and the term he wanted with all bonuses. I don't think Marner should get 11-12 million but I can 100% see why he wants it.

He is better than Matthews, and similar to Tavares. He should be paid like them. I will eat crow for that comment but he has proven to be better at getting points, better durability than glass Matthews, and plays all situations.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I'm still curious about what happens with Zbad; Landy-friend, legit 1b C, been on the block for a while now, good contract, in his prime, has a NTC that kicks in soon to put a clock on NYR selling him for good value, etc.

I would love to have Zbad, Just not sure we’d be able to get him for anything less than 4oa (which I would consider depending on the circumstances).

The thing with the Rangers though is - how are they going to move forward? If they sign Panarin then obviously they’re not rebuilding and they’re going for it.

But if they don’t sign Panarin, I’d argue their best move would be to trade Zbad and anyone 25+ That’s worth anything for picks/prospects.

 

[lonelybadger]

If Skinner does get a deal with a 9 million AAV, that bodes well for Rantanen getting less than 10. Especially with Kucherov and Stone.

 

[henchman21]

The compromise the owners will want for whatever the players desire will be further limiting contract term. Expect a 5/6 split instead of the 7/8... owners actually want these shorter contracts so they have no real issue with players wanting them. GMs and front offices only want term on the special 1-3 players on a team worth a big deal coming of their ELCs. Players traditionally want term for a guarantee, but the new breed of elite players see UFA and the dollars there. So get there as quickly as possible and then ask for term like Tavares basically did.

 

[Balthazar]

The compromise the owners will want for whatever the players desire will be further limiting contract term. Expect a 5/6 split instead of the 7/8... owners actually want these shorter contracts so they have no real issue with players wanting them. GMs and front offices only want term on the special 1-3 players on a team worth a big deal coming of their ELCs. Players traditionally want term for a guarantee, but the new breed of elite players see UFA and the dollars there. So get there as quickly as possible and then ask for term like Tavares basically did.

Yep, for a top player the best way to maximise your career earnings is to do what Matthews just did.

Sign 4-5 years for top dollars during your RFA years and then sign your long 7-8 years UFA deal for top dollars again because you're still in your prime. That gives you up to 13 years of maximum pay.