returnofthemack29
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Mack was a 21 year old 1OA pick. Barrie is 27...he just is what he is at this point. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
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Mack was a 21 year old 1OA pick. Barrie is 27...he just is what he is at this point. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
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He is what he is, which is right now better than Meloche, Makar and Timmins. Until proven otherwise, we need to add to the scoring that Barrie brings, not switch it out and count on prospects making up the difference or producing a net gain.
The important comparison here isn't really MacKinnon and Barrie, it's Jost and those other unknowns. Any or all of Meloche, Makar and Timmins could take the Jost route, which will require much more patience than we should have while using MacKinnon's sweetheart deal as a clock.
Barrie's scoring comes in the form of secondary assists and simply being on the ice with the top line and 1st pp unit. His stats are simply an abberation.
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So I could go out there and score 60 points then?
The Avs are stacked at D and need impact forwards. Its an obvious move for the Avs for the long term. If you aren't counting on Makar as part of the equation then you aren't assessing the situation properly.
While Timmins is still injured and Meloche is 2 years out I think its fine to leave them on the side for the time being, but should/when they turn out it will only make a one sided situation that much more so.
There is no doubt that Barrie is an elite offensive Dman but that really doesn't change anything.
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Since when are we stacked on D? We lost a top 4 guy last night for 10 minutes and gave up 5 goals in one period. If that screams stacked on D...
They have JT and the hope is that Kam, Kaut, & Jost can develop into those rolls. That along with 2 1st rounders this year in a strong draft up front. The Avs have plenty of middle/bottom 6 guys, the main issue is they don't have any true 2nd liners atm. If a guy isn't clearly a high end scorer/top 6 player then its just adding clutter without solving the real issue and taking away ice time from kids who could develop into those rolls, all for the benefit of being marginally better in the now.
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It's not an argument, it's a statement. We have plenty of nice prospects at D but as of right now? No, we are not stacked at D.
Avs44
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Yeah...the Avs' defense is about league average. And then they have one top D prospect, one who can't be counted on at all (Timmins), and then Meloche, who's hardly a sure thing. It's not even close to being a stacked group.
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How is it not? Would Nashville’s defense blow a 4-1 lead going into the 3rd? Our defense is solid but nothing special. We have a some good prospects coming up but they’re still just prospects. Nothing more nothing less.
Specifically choosing a singular 20 minute sample size definitely holds a lot of weight smh.
How about this. Out of all of the Dcores in the NHL, which ones would you take over the Avs currently? Both now and in the future
Are you referencing some sort of stat or just your opinion?
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I think our D is a strength, not stacked per se, but a strength. Our second line is definitely a weakness.
Foppberg
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Off the top of my head Anaheim, Boston, Calgary, Carolina, Columbus, Minnesota, Nashville, Pittsburgh, San Jose, St.Louis, Tampa, Washington, and Winnipeg all have better defences than ours. So right around average, again we have some nice young players (Makar, Girard, Zadorov, *Timmins) but we're not stacked at all. Maybe if they pan out, but not right now.
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Nashville, San Jose, Washington, Anaheim, Columbus, Tampa, carolina, minnesota, Calgary, St Louis, Boston, Philly.
So that would give us around the 13th best d core in the league. So right around league average.
Avs44
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Basic common sense. There is no #1 D in the group. We've seen Girard and Z struggle at different points this season, which is going to happen with youngsters but means they can't be wholly relied on. God knows enough fans rag on Barrie 24/7, including the fellow who just liked your post. Cole is pretty clearly a #4 or so guy. Compare it to other D corps around the league and it's quite middle of the pack. And incidentally, there are no stats that will prove me wrong.
Only 2 of those teams have a better d and 1 of them is debatable because their 2 offensive horses are terrible defensively
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They definitely shouldn’t and my post while technically did only blame the D I don’t believe it was all their faults.
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Which 2 teams? Almost every team listed there has a true #1D man or dman that will become a true #1dman. We still lack a true #1 dman so that makes it hard to have a top 3 d core.
Foppberg
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No to what? You've been here for a year, you really should know how to use the site by now.
Nashville is the only 1 , the rest are worse or on par.
Per 6 man unit. San Jose ok , got the big 3 but 2 are horrendous poor defensively.
Philly d is 1 of the worst , outside of Provorov and Gostibehere they're really bad.
Pittsburg outside of Letang are brutal . And most the others only have 3 decent.
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