Avs_19
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Confirmed with Link: Avs acquire S. Girard, S. Bowers, V. Kamenev, A. Hammond, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for M. Duchene - Part II
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Avs_19
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Couldn't just let this great thread wash away. We need to keep track of this and update it as we go.
Though he's the first part of the trade tree that ended, (and signed with a rival). I'll never forget what Hammond did for us. That game five is probably the best Avs moment for me since 2013.
Thank you Hamburglar, and love Joe for getting him in this already incredible deal.
Thank you Hamburglar, and love Joe for getting him in this already incredible deal.
Raucherhusten
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Jupp, was screaming like a mad man when Ghetto scored that 2nd goal; waking up all my neighbors at 5am in the morning. Some of them are still pissed. Whatevs ... so worth it!
JoeSakic13
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I'm glad that Hammond's limited showing landed him another payday and potentially another chance to be a backup goalie.
Foppberg
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Everyone being thrilled with a pick we expected in the late teens.
If Martin Kaut were Ottawa's 1st we'd be smug here. We're going to be a conga line if that pick is in the top 5.
ASmileyFace
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There are some real gems from the first couple pages of that thread. Is is cool to tag people with their posts?
@PAZ
@Avs71
@Pierce Hawthorne
@JWK
@Xokkeu
@kingslayer
@Sea Eagles
Have a feeling you might have changed your mind on that one
Fun stuff in that thread. Seems like forever ago. We all thought that the 1st was basically guaranteed to be 15-25 this year. The initial reactions were almost all positive, from all sides of the trade, which is really rare.
@PAZ
@Avs71
What an amazingly fun season it ended up being.
@Pierce Hawthorne
@JWK
@Xokkeu
Whoops
@kingslayer
@Sea Eagles
Have a feeling you might have changed your mind on that one
Fun stuff in that thread. Seems like forever ago. We all thought that the 1st was basically guaranteed to be 15-25 this year. The initial reactions were almost all positive, from all sides of the trade, which is really rare.
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Patagonia
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The Lindros Trade Tree lasted 23 years (1992-2015) - RIP
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How long would the Duchene trade last?
CalderKing21
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That is a thing of beauty. Not so much the last parts of the trade but what it led to overall.
bohlmeister
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Wanted to post this on the main board but don't want to argue with a bunch of people. It keeps being said that Dorion can't afford to let the pick become a top 5. But he needs to move on. The trade is made, and the pick was part of it. He can't plan for next season to keep the team as competitive as possible to make the trade look better. Then tear it down and rebuild. If Duchene won't be back, trade him. Karlsson won't sign, move him when you can get the best return.
McMetal
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That would be the smart thing to do. But he wants to save face more than he wants to set his team up for the future.
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He wants a competitive team to save face and his boss wants to sell tickets.
Anders Cain
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It is sad that dorion/melnyk would be willing to hurt the team long term just to make the trade look not as bad.
At this point tho, i don't imagine they have much choice. Anderson wanting out, stone to arbitration which may lead to a soured relationship if he gets awarded a 1 year deal (straight to ufa), karlsson on the move... The duchene signing thing. . Remove one or all of the pieces and dorion has a hell of a time filling those spots with quality players. Ottawa is going to be brutal next year, barring some miracle, whether dorion or melnyk want it or not
At this point tho, i don't imagine they have much choice. Anderson wanting out, stone to arbitration which may lead to a soured relationship if he gets awarded a 1 year deal (straight to ufa), karlsson on the move... The duchene signing thing. . Remove one or all of the pieces and dorion has a hell of a time filling those spots with quality players. Ottawa is going to be brutal next year, barring some miracle, whether dorion or melnyk want it or not
CalderKing21
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It's the type of move that can get you fired. Burke essentially did the same thing in Toronto with Kessel.
You trade for a top player and then that player is added to your core and doesn't help the team perform well overall.
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Jesus, look at my comments!! I certainly get attached to our players, WAY too much. I was devastated at losing Duchene, and did NOT want it to happen.
Now I adore Girard, Kamenev & others.
Now I adore Girard, Kamenev & others.
I keep seeing it mentioned that Ottawa is going to do everything they can to be competitive. Well they don't have a magician as their GM. There is only so much they can do really. They can't make a new #1D, a #2 & #3D, #1C, and a starting goalie appear out of thin air.
That team has a good #2C as their #1, zero top four defenders on the roster outside of Karlsson, and aging questionable goaltending. Even if they traded every future they have they still wouldn't be able to fill those holes.
I don't know what anyone is worried about. We'll get a top 10 pick IMO. Which means another good shot at a Mikko or better player and potentially a center at that.
That team has a good #2C as their #1, zero top four defenders on the roster outside of Karlsson, and aging questionable goaltending. Even if they traded every future they have they still wouldn't be able to fill those holes.
I don't know what anyone is worried about. We'll get a top 10 pick IMO. Which means another good shot at a Mikko or better player and potentially a center at that.
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Top 10 is very, very likely. It's just that people assume that they'll finish dead last because they are worse on paper than they were last year. That's not always how it works.
McMetal
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I think management will try, I don't think they succeed. The Avs locker room pulled together because they wanted to prove they were better than a 48 point season. The Ottawa locker room won't pull together just to save face for their skinflint owner. Human motivation doesn't work that way. Especially when their captain will have very publicly forced his way out by October. A brand new leadership team will take the place of EK, Turris, and Phaneuf, and I don't think whatever they come up with is going to cut it.
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You think young guys like Chabot, White, Brown and possibly Tkachuk won't want to prove anything? These guys have nothing to do with this mess and are unaffected. Sens had a rotten locker room last year and everything that could go wrong went wrong. With both Hoffman and EK gone and an influx of young, hungry players they will have a breath of fresh air.
MarkT
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I think a lot will come down to whether the remaining group has any real, strong, positive leaders left in it and whether they get any decent goaltending. If a crappy organizational situation was all it took to bring a team together and make them overperform, the the Coyotes would be a perennial playoff team.
Anders Cain
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Yes i think goaltending is going to be the real issue. Even if the team plays decent, if Craig Anderson or mike condon don't play well (entirely possible) then youre done anyways. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but right now i feel confident calling that Ottawa first a top 10 pick based on all those factors
I love this thread. It always reminds me of the robbery Sakic was able to pull off.
Patagonia
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Sens have a strong nucleus of prospects and draft extremely well. They could have a better than last season, if given the opportunity. They will be lots of early struggles and mistakes, but it can be done with time and patience. I suspect the youngsters will love the extra ice time and ample opportunities to simply play the game without any concerns on being benched or sent down.
Coaching is where the Sens need to refocus the team. The 2019-1st is lost and could very well be the 1st OA. Idiotic trades and poor team mgmt involve the prior players, but this has no direct relationship to the prospects. The youngsters concern is to get a chance to reach the NHL and prove they belong. They need acknowledge going into a full rebuild and rive their players every opportunity to play.
Coaching is where the Sens need to refocus the team. The 2019-1st is lost and could very well be the 1st OA. Idiotic trades and poor team mgmt involve the prior players, but this has no direct relationship to the prospects. The youngsters concern is to get a chance to reach the NHL and prove they belong. They need acknowledge going into a full rebuild and rive their players every opportunity to play.
I don't think their mentality good or bad will stack up to the lack of experience. We've all seen what happens when you hope for all of your young players to figure it out in a single season. The roles they're going to be put into will be way above their heads. Even if they are not put in those roles the more experienced players left on the roster that will take those roles are proven to not be capable of filling them on a winning team.
It's the combination of everything IMO.
People comparing them to the Avs of the past are completely dismissing what Varly did for us in the past, and much more complicated situation if talking about the 48 point season. They don't even have the level or set of players looking to have rebound seasons. Their goalie maybe, and Ryan. That's about it. Neither of which are a good bet like the under 25 forwards we had.
