ATD2020 Draft Thread II

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BenchBrawl

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The cheat sheet just needs three links:

1. Link to the previous year's ATD list
2. Link to Master Bios (control-f)
3. Link to google, your friend.

True, but there's too many players to digest it in one draft, or even two.

To this day many players I know little about, but obviously I know most players reasonably well. But that's with 10 years of intense passion for this thing. I also forgot a lot of what I used to know.
 

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Since we're on the topic...

Chicago selects Tom Barrasso, G


Barrasso has a strong Vezina record of 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, however, some of his finishes in the mid-late 80's came against a fairly weak talent pool (his finishes in the 90's came against strong competition).

Even if you drop Barrasso's Vezina finishes by one spot for those 80's years, he still has a very strong Vezina record of: 2, 2, 3, 3, 3

On top of that he has playoff success with back-to-back Cups on the Penguins, for one of which he was the Conn Smythe runner-up behind Mario

Much better starter than backup.
 
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ImporterExporter

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Well i didn't think it possible but I'm actually making a pick now that is even easier than when I got Olmstead to ride with Beliveau.

Building around Soviets is extra tricky so find the right chemistry is key. This player just happened to center my 2nd round pick, Val Kharlamov for many years both domestically and with the national team.

You want a snapshot of what this guy did over his career?

  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships All-Star
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships leading scorer
  • 1972, 1973 – Soviet League Player of the Year
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – Soviet League All-Star
  • 1970, 1973, 1975, 1978, 1979 – Soviet League leading scorer
He is 4th all-time leading scorer in World Championships, with 154 points (74 goals and 80 assists) in 102 games and scored 7 points (3 goals and 4 assists) in 8 games of Summit Series.

Saskatoon is proud to welcome:

Vladimir Petrov, C

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kruezer

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Well i didn't think it possible but I'm actually making a pick now that is even easier than when I got Olmstead to ride with Beliveau.

Building around Soviets is extra tricky so find the right chemistry is key. This player just happened to center my 2nd round pick, Val Kharlamov for many years both domestically and with the national team.

You want a snapshot of what this guy did over his career?

  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships All-Star
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships leading scorer
  • 1972, 1973 – Soviet League Player of the Year
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – Soviet League All-Star
  • 1970, 1973, 1975, 1978, 1979 – Soviet League leading scorer
He is 4th all-time leading scorer in World Championships, with 154 points (74 goals and 80 assists) in 102 games and scored 7 points (3 goals and 4 assists) in 8 games of Summit Series.

Saskatoon is proud to welcome:

Vladimir Petrov, C

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damn!
 
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Habsfan18

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The Baltimore Skipjacks select:

“The Roadrunner” Yvan Cournoyer, RW

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  • 4-time NHL 2nd team all star;
  • Conn Smythe winner;
  • Captain of the Habs last dynasty;
  • Led in GWGs three times in playoffs, twice regular season;
  • 6 top 10 goal finishes;
  • Retired behind only Richard in playoff GWGs;
  • 153 career power play goals;
  • Scored 5 points in the 1972 Summit Series, including the huge inspirational blazing speed goal in Game 2, and he intercepted the clearing pass to keep the puck in, passing to Henderson who with Esposito ended it all right then in Game 8.
 

BenchBrawl

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The Baltimore Skipjacks select:

“The Roadrunner” Yvan Cournoyer, RW

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  • 4-time NHL 2nd team all star;
  • Conn Smythe winner;
  • Captain of the Habs last dynasty;
  • Led in GWGs three times in playoffs, twice regular season;
  • 6 top 10 goal finishes;
  • Retired behind only Richard in playoff GWGs;
  • 153 career power play goals;
  • Scored 5 points in the 1972 Summit Series, including the huge inspirational blazing speed goal in Game 2, and he intercepted the clearing pass to keep the puck in, passing to Henderson who with Esposito ended it all right then in Game 8.

A steal in my eyes. Best RW for a long time. Not gonna go to bat for it, but feel he has a case as the best RWer since Martinec. Underrated by VsX.

If he made it to me he was gone. *Poof*
 
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Namba 17

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Ok so, the flashpoint for Soviet league performance is the Summit Series. We collectively can agree that before the 70s the Soviet league was quite weak correct?
Pre 70th generation seems of the same level as 70th. The same for the league. The main problem here is that pre 70th generation was defeating NA amatures pretty constantly, but never played against professionals, so one can only guess.
 

TheDevilMadeMe

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TIER1
12. Patrick Roy
15. Dominik Hasek

TIER2
27. Jacques Plante
31. Glenn Hall
42. Martin Brodeur
52. Vladislav Tretiak
55. Terry Sawchuk
59. Ken Dryden

TIER3
73. Frank Brimsek
87. Georges Vezina
91. Charlie Gardiner
114. Clint Benedict

TIER4
116. Turk Broda
140. Ed Belfour
142. Bill Durnan

TIER5
147. Bernie Parent
152. Tony Esposito
158. Johnny Bower
161. Jiri Holecek
165. Tiny Thompson
176. Grant Fuhr
180. Roy Worters
183. Georges Hainsworth
188. Henrik Lundqvist
195. Billy Smith
203. Hugh Lehman

Pretty close to what I have. Personally, I'd knock Plante and Holecek up a tier, and Benedict down a tier, but I realize this are small quibbles.
 

Namba 17

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Well i didn't think it possible but I'm actually making a pick now that is even easier than when I got Olmstead to ride with Beliveau.

Building around Soviets is extra tricky so find the right chemistry is key. This player just happened to center my 2nd round pick, Val Kharlamov for many years both domestically and with the national team.

You want a snapshot of what this guy did over his career?

  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships All-Star
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – World Championships leading scorer
  • 1972, 1973 – Soviet League Player of the Year
  • 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979 – Soviet League All-Star
  • 1970, 1973, 1975, 1978, 1979 – Soviet League leading scorer
He is 4th all-time leading scorer in World Championships, with 154 points (74 goals and 80 assists) in 102 games and scored 7 points (3 goals and 4 assists) in 8 games of Summit Series.

Saskatoon is proud to welcome:

Vladimir Petrov, C

View attachment 316467
The most underrated Soviet of all time.
 

TheDevilMadeMe

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His career definitely feels like it when you look at the resumes of others around him. Will be interested to try and dig up some tidbits.

The main thing to dig up will be a cogent theory as to why Soviet awards voters (both player of the year and MVP) did not seem to respect Petrov all that much, at least not as much as his stats would have you think.

I mean, at this point, I think it's one of those mysteries that is probably going to be unsolvable, but good luck!
 
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Dreakmur

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The main thing to dig up will be a cogent theory as to why Soviet awards voters (both player of the year and MVP) did not seem to respect Petrov all that much, at least not as much as his stats would have you think.

I mean, at this point, I think it's one of those mysteries that is probably going to be unsolvable, but good luck!

I am pretty sure the voters considered performances at the international events each year.
 

VanIslander

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I am pretty sure the voters considered performances at the international events each year.
Oh yes. Someone did an analysis several years back about the correlation between international performance and the following year's voting.

Heck, the NHL sometimes seems to award a great playoff performer with an all-star game bid the following year as well as radar attention for individual trophies.
 

VanIslander

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Can we draft fictional players?
Huckleberry Finn as a winger? Spiderman as a netminder?

But, seriously.

This is an exercise in counterfactual reasoning, a tool of analysis in the academic discipline of History.

What would have happened if Hitler had won World War II? In university it's been a fruitful means of exploring the forces and dynamics of history.

The ATDs have been - for over 15 years - a bastion of rationality and research, in the most fun of ways! :)

Heck, I just learned earlier today that two of Lehman's 7 losses in Stanley Cup challenges came from representing such weak distant teams that bought ringers to boost their cup hopes. I had read about such practices but hadn't known Lehman specifically was a hired hand for two of them.

One can get a great education in the HHOF just by mining this board and these drafts.

A suggestion: If you have ten minutes to kill, and are on your smartphone or by your computer, then click over to the ATD master bio list and check out in detail a guy. It's not just about that guy. There is tons of stuff about other guys and happenings in a single detailed bio.
 
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tinyzombies

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Huckleberry Finn as a winger? Spiderman as a netminder?

But, seriously.

This is an exercise in counterfactual reasoning, a tool of analysis in the academic discipline of History.

What would have happened if Hitler had won World War II? In university it's been a fruitful means of exploring the forces and dynamics of history.

The ATDs have been - for over 15 years - a bastion of rationality and research, in the most fun of ways! :)

I was a history major so I love this on at least two levels.
 

The Macho King

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Sorry I'm not at a computer - I'll go with a multi-position beast in Reg Noble - C/LW/D.
 
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