ATD2019 Lineup Assassination Thread

[BenchBrawl]

Post your rosters here.

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[Habsfan18]

General Manager: Habsfan18

Vancouver Millionaires

Head Coach: Dick Irvin, Sr.

Captain: Ebbie Goodfellow
Alternate Captain: Chris Chelios
Alternate Captain: Darryl Sittler

Roster:

Doug Bentley - Howie Morenz - Andy Bathgate
Markus Naslund - Evgeni Malkin - Daniel Alfredsson
Herbie Lewis - Darryl Sittler - Bob Nevin
Sid Smith - Don Luce - Eric Nesterenko Gilles Tremblay - Brad Richards - Pat Verbeek

Bill Gadsby - Chris Chelios
Ebbie Goodfellow - Brad McCrimmon
Babe Pratt - Ted Green
Rob Ramage

Turk Broda
Gump Worsley

PP1: Bentley - Morenz - Malkin - Bathgate - Gadsby

PP2: Naslund - Sittler - Alfredsson - Goodfellow - Pratt

PK1: Luce - Nesterenko - Goodfellow - Chelios

PK2: Nevin - Lewis - Gadsby - McCrimmon​

 

[Habsfan18]

Much happier with my lineup compared to last year. I was an ATD rookie a year ago, so I feel that I learned a lot in terms of team building over that time. Big improvement, IMO. But I will leave that for others to decide.

 

[tinyzombies]

I read somewhere that Morenz was overrated.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Honolulu Pineapples

Coach: Lester Patrick
Captain: Boris Mikhailov
Alternates: Henri Richard, Henrik Zetterberg

Bobby Hull - Gilbert Perreault - Boris Mikhailov
Henrik Zetterberg - Henri Richard - Alf Smith
Vincent Damphousse - Igor Larionov - Glenn Anderson
Don Marshall - Phil Watson - Peter Bondra
Extras: Phil Goyette, Vic Hadfield

Paul Coffey - Jack Stewart
Tom Johnson - Eric Desjardins
Gary Suter - Teppo Numminen
Extra: Sandis Ozolinsh, Dave Burrows

Georges Vezina
George Hainsworth

PP1:
Boris Mikhailov
Gilbert Perreault - Henrik Zetterberg - Bobby Hull
Paul Coffey

PP2:
Glenn Anderson
Igor Larionov - Henri Richard - Peter Bondra
Gary Suter

PK1:
Don Marshall - Henri Richard
Tom Johnson - Jack Stewart

PK2:
Henrik Zetterberg - Peter Bondra
Teppo Numminen - Eric Desjardins​

 

[Dreakmur]

Sokovia Recorders

Punch Imlach
Roger Neilson

Cy Denneny - Syl Apps "A" - Bill Cook "A"
Roy Conacher - Jean Ratelle - Corey Perry
Bob Pulford - Anze Kopitar - George Armstrong "C"
Kevin Stevens - Cooney Weiland - Rick Tocchet

Jacques Laperriere - Eddie Shore
Moose Johnson - Jimmy Thomson
Sergei Gonchar - Terry Harper

Ken Dryden
Tiny Thompson

PP1: Denneny-Apps-Cook-Gonchar-Shore
PP2: Conacher-Ratelle-Perry-Laperriere-Thomson

PK1: Pulford-Weiland-Johnson-Thomson
PK2: Kopitar-Armstrong-Laperriere-Harper

Spares:
Bruce Stuart, F
Joe Primeau, C
Carol Vadnais, D​

 

[tony d]

Quebec Bulldogs

Coach:Barry Trotz

Toe Blake-Wayne Gretzky-Mike Bossy
Michel Goulet-Ron Francis-Steve Larmer
Rod Bridnamour-Vyacheslav Starshinov-Tony Amonte
John Tonelli-Doug Jarvis-Ed Westfall

Extras: Ed Sandford, Murray Oliver

King Clancy-Serge Savard
JC Tremblay-Bll White
Alexander Ragulin-Lloyd Cook

Extras: Gary Bergman, Bill Hajt

Tony Esposito
Henrik Lundqvist

Captain: Wayne Gretzky
Alternates: Ron Francis, King Clancy

Special Teams:

PP 1: Blake-Gretzky-Bossy-Clancy-Tremblay
PP 2: Goulet-Brindamour-Larmer-Ragulin-Cook

PK 1: Westfall-Jarvis-Savard-White
PK 2: Brindamour-Starshinov-Ragulin-Clancy

 

[Namba 17]

Portage Lakes Hockey Club

Coach Al Arbour

Bert Olmstead (A) - Norm Ullman - Bernie Geoffrion
John Leclair - Denis Savard - Didier Pitre
Dean Prentice - Jeremy Roenick - Joe Mullen
Joe Klukay - Pit Lepine - Floyd Curry
Venjamin Alexandrov - Ivan Hlinka - Konstantin Loktev

Denis Potvin (C) - Ken Reardon
Marcel Pronovost - Brad Park (A)
Mike Ramsey - Art Duncan
Pat Egan

Terry Sawchuk
Harry Lumley​

PP1: Olmstead - Ullman - Geoffrion - Potvin - Duncan
PP2: Leclair - Savard - Pitre - Roenick - Park

PK1: Klukay - Curry - Potvin - Ramsey
PK2: Prentice - Lepine - Park - Reardon

Estimated min per game, forwards

	ES TOI	PP TOI	PK TOI	Total TOI
Olmstead	15	4	0	19
Ullman	15	4	0	19
Geoffrion	15	4	0	19
Leclair	14	3	0	17
Savard	14	3	0	17
Pitre	14	3	0	17
Prentice	11	0	3	14
Roenick	11	3	0	14
Mullen	11	0	0	11
Klukay*	6	0	4	10
Lepine*	6	0	3	9
Curry*	6	0	4	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

*Shutdown line. Their TOI time can be increased at the expense of 3-d and/or 2-nd line' time

Estimated min per game, defencemen

	ES TOI	PP TOI	PK TOI	Total TOI
Potvin	17	4	4	25
Reardon	17	0	3	20
Pronovost	17	0	0	17
Park	17	3	3	23
Ramsey	11	0	4	15
Duncan	11	4	0	15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[BenchBrawl]

Sturminator received the lineups and told me he will have the results done by next week-end.

 

[tinyzombies]

NDG MAROONS (Lines depending on first round match-up)

Captain: Ted Lindsay
Assistant: Mario Lemieux
Assistant: Chris Pronger

"-" before name: means good skater; UL: good defensively; CAPS: big or plays big; PCS: Pass, Carry, Shoot

Forwards Estimated TOI
Player	ES	PP	PK	TOT
Ted Lindsay	16	3	0	19
Mario Lemieux	12	6	0	18
Cam Neely	14	3	0	17
Max Bentley	12	4.5	0	16.5
Marcel Dionne	13	3	0	16
Rick Middleton	13	1	0	14
Frank Foyston	12	1	0	13
Woody Dumart	12	0	0	12
Nicklas Backstrom	8	4	0	12
Marty Pavelich	8	0	4	11.5
Jerry Toppazzini	8	0	4	11.5
Alex Mogilny	8	0	0	8
Derek Sanderson	4	0	4	7.5
Mike Richards	4	0	4	7.5
	144	26	14	184
Defensemen Estimated TOI
Player	ES	PP	PK	TOT
Chris Pronger	15	3.5	3	21
Mark Howe	15	3.5	0	18.5
Alexei Kasatonov	18	0	4	22
Gus Mortson	9	0	3	12
Pat Stapleton	8	0	0	8
Hap Day	7	0	3	9.5
Si Griffis	8	0	0	8
	94	9.5	14	118

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Namba 17]

Being first time ATDer i did a lot of assassinations and received zero
So, if anyone like to know my opinion about his team - please, do the same about mine. I'm very busy this year but I'll do my best to find time to talk to you

 

[Leaf Lander]

Coach: Mike Babcock
Captain: Yzerman
A Bourque , A Wilson, A Poulin

B Shanahan-Steve Yzerman-Teemu Selanne
Bill Barber- Peter Stastny- Mike Gartner
Brian Propp-Dave Poulin-Tim Kerr
Kirk Muller - Eric Staal-Tod Sloan
Dale Hunter-Patrick Marleau


Ray Bourque- Bill Quackenbush
Lionel Conacher-Doug Wilson
Bobby Baun-Kris Letang
Wally Stanowski
Dustin Byfuglien


Glenn Hall
Carey Price

PP1: Shanahan-Yzerman-Selanne
Bourque-Letang
PP2: Barber- Stastny-Gartner
Quackenbush-Wilson

PK1: Propp-Poulin
Baun Wilson

PK2: Muller-Staal
Bourque Quakenbush​

 

[Claude The Fraud]

GM: Claude the Fraud
Coach: Pat Burns
Captain: Mark Messier
Alternates: Rod Langway, Brian Leetch

Roster
#7 Keith Tkachuk - #11 Mark Messier - #88 Patrick Kane
#61 Rick Nash - #13 Mats Sundin - #9 Lanny McDonald
#19 Shane Doan - #18 Pavel Datsyuk - #26 Jere Lehtinen
#10 Gary Roberts - #25 Joe Nieuwendyk - #16 Trevor Linden
Spares: #29 Lynn Patrick - #27 Reggie Leach

#2 Brian Leetch - #4 Rob Blake
#5 Rod Langway - #56 Sergei Zubov
#3 Flash Hollett - #52 Adam Foote
Spares: #55 Ulf Samuelson - #28 Reed Larson

#33 Patrick Roy
#31 Grant Fuhr

Powerplay
#7 Keith Tkachuk - #11 Mark Messier - #88 Patrick Kane
#2 Brian Leetch - #56 Sergei Zubov

#61 Rick Nash- #13 Mats Sundin - #9 Lanny McDonald
#3 Flash Hollett - #4 Rob Blake

Shorthanded
#26 Jere Lehtinen - #18 Pavel Datsyuk
#5 Rod Langway - #52 Adam Foote

#19 Shane Doan - #25 Joe Nieuwendyk
#2 Brian Leetch - #4 Rob Blake​

 

[Claude The Fraud]

This being only my second ATD, I'm pretty happy with my team. I think I have a better team than last year. Like everyone, I think I made great pick, but a few not so good one. I guess that's the learning process of the ATD.

My goal for next year is definitely to draft older player. I'm gonna use the next year to improve my knowledge about pre '60's guy.

Thanks for all your comments!

 

[The Macho King]

1995 Kelly Cup Champions (ECHL)

GENERAL MANAGER - Randy Savage

COACH: Cecil Hart

CAPTAIN: Dit Clapper
ALTERNATE: Bryan Trottier
ALTERNATE: Sprague Cleghorn

#11 Busher Jackson - #6 Frank Nighbor - # 10 Pavel Bure
#20 Luc Robitaille - #19 Bryan Trottier (A) - #12 Gordie Drillon
#97 Esa Tikkanen - #37 Patrice Bergeron - #22 Claude Lemieux
#8 Sergei Kapustin - #91 Steven Stamkos - #86 Nikita Kucherov
#8 Dave Trottier - #33 Kris Draper - #222 Dino Ciccarelli

#2 Sprague Cleghorn (A) - #5 Dit Clapper (C)
#3 Vladimir Lutchenko- #16 Vladimir Konstantinov
#77 Victor Hedman - #02 Red Horner
#8 Leo Reise Jr.

#1 Clint Benedict
#01 Ed Giacomin
PP1:
Jackson - Trottier - Bure
Cleghorn - Clapper

PP2:
Robitaille - Stamkos - Kucherov
Hedman - Kapustin

PK1:
Nighbor - Tikkanen
Cleghorn - Clapper

PK2:
Bergeron - Lemieux
Lutchenko - Konstantinov
​

Even Ice Time (45 minutes)
Line 1 - 12 (match scoring lines)
Line 2 - 12
Line 3 - 11 (Hard match top lines)
Line 4 - 10

Pair 1 - 18 (Shutdown Pair)
Pair 2 - 15
Pair 3 - 12

 

[The Macho King]

I feel decent about my team. A couple of times I think I picked BPA instead of fit, which is giving me some headaches. I know I reached on a few picks (Hedman probably the biggest reach), but I also think I got some good value on a few picks (Cleghorn, Konstantinov especially). I love my "fifth" line - think I can swap it in as a fourth line whole cloth based on matchups, although I would lose a ton of offense.

 

[King Forsberg]

Atlanta Flames

Head Coach: Glen Sather

Ilya Kovalchuk - Phil Esposito (A) - Jaromir Jagr
Frank Mahovlich - Adam Oates - Vladimir Martinec
Claude Giroux - Eric Lindros - Owen Nolan
Igor Liba - Michael Peca - Frank Finnigan

Dave Andreychuk - Milan Novy - Jakub Voracek

Zdeno Chara (C) - Jan Suchy
Scott Niedermayer (A) - Ryan Suter
Jimmy Watson - Cy Wentworth

Kimmo Timonen

Jiří Holeček
Percy Leseur

Powerplay 1:

Phil Esposito
Frank Mahovlich - Jaromir Jagr
Ilya Kovalchuk - Scott Niedermayer

Powerplay 2:

Eric Lindros
Claude Giroux - Adam Oates
Zdeno Chara - Jan Suchy

Penalty Kill 1:
Michael Peca - Frank Finnigan
Zdeno Chara - Cy Wentworth

Penalty Kill 2:
Claude Giroux - Igor Liba
Jimmy Watson - Scott Niedermayer​

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the ball rolling.Keep in mind I don't know your players as much as you're supposed to know them.I'm throwing some comments and take them as an opportunity to correct me and teach about your team.

General Manager: Habsfan18
Vancouver Millionaires

Head Coach: Dick Irvin, Sr.

Captain: Ebbie Goodfellow
Alternate Captain: Chris Chelios
Alternate Captain: Darryl Sittler

Roster:

Doug Bentley - Howie Morenz - Andy Bathgate
Markus Naslund - Evgeni Malkin - Daniel Alfredsson
Herbie Lewis - Darryl Sittler - Bob Nevin
Sid Smith - Don Luce - Eric Nesterenko Gilles Tremblay - Brad Richards - Pat Verbeek

Bill Gadsby - Chris Chelios
Ebbie Goodfellow - Brad McCrimmon
Babe Pratt - Ted Green
Rob Ramage

Turk Broda
Gump Worsley

PP1: Bentley - Morenz - Malkin - Bathgate - Gadsby

PP2: Naslund - Sittler - Alfredsson - Goodfellow - Pratt

PK1: Luce - Nesterenko - Goodfellow - Chelios

PK2: Nevin - Lewis - Gadsby - McCrimmon​

1st line:

The good: Morenz-Bathgate a very high-end duo.Morenz and Bentley provide good defense and speed.
The bad: Seems a little on the soft side.

2nd line:

The good: Malkin is great offensively for a 2nd line center.Naslund and Malkin had very high peaks.Malkin and Alfredsson were very good at ''keep away''.
The bad: How soft was Naslund? I just assume he was soft, but maybe he wasn't.Anyway, the line seems a little on the soft side too, so it seems your Top 6 as a whole is softish, if not soft flat out outside Morenz and once-in-a-moon angry Malkin.Am I wrong?
The ugly: Seems very unidimensional.Not a fan.Would have been better with a glue-guy type at LW IMO.

3rd line:

The good: Lewis-Sittler chips in good offense, Sittler-Nevin brings some fesitiness/physicality/size.
The bad: Not sure what the line identity is supposed to be inside the lineup as a whole.The line isn't bad on its own but it does look weirdish, don't ask me what that means, let's see if I'm alone in that judgement.

4th line: OK line, nothing more.

1st Pairing:

The good: Top notch pairing, they complete each other very well.

2nd pairing:

The good: Both are strong at their respective spot in the hierarchy (Goodfellow a good #3 and McCrimmon a good #4).
The bad: I know Goodfellow was probably a good PP quarterback and even maybe an innovator for the role, he had a great slapshot, but was he offensively-minded at all at ES? He seems like the stay-at-home type with a good shot, a bit like Shea Weber maybe.Wonder if there's a lack of transition from the pairing.

3rd pairing:

The good: Love it.This pairing will be very good offensively, not just because of Pratt but even Ted Green was underrated on transition.I really like Green as a bottom-pairing guy because he was a tough customer.

Goalie: I have a bias in favor of goalies who won a lot in the playoffs, so Broda gets more of a pass from me than most.That said he's still weak in this league.

Leadership: Among the weakest in the draft, at least captain-wise.Only NHL captain who didn't captain his team to a SC?

Coaching: Average to above average.not sure about the fit, seems OK.

PP: Your entire blueline from both units are really excellent.I see Goodfellow as a good 1st unit PP quarterback, because I believe in giving as much benefit of the doubt as possible to old-timers on special units, and he seems like the likeliest innovator of the role along with Eddie Shore.Your forwards are good on the 1st unit, not a huge fan on the 2nd unit but nothing too bad.I think I have a problem with Naslund in general and I might need therapy to fix it.

PK: Very strong.One question: Was Lewis a good PKer? I have no clue.

Overall: Good entry.I really like the 1st line and the entire blueline.Not as hot on the 2nd and 3rd lines.After a onedimensional offensive line for the 2nd line, might have prefered a more defensively minded 3rd line center than Sittler, but that's just my taste.Goaltending and leadership are weaknesses.Still, Morenz-Bathgate + Malkin is a lot of talent to stop.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the ball rolling.Keep in mind I don't know your players as much as you're supposed to know them.I'm throwing some comments and take them as an opportunity to correct me and teach about your team.

Atlanta Flames

Head Coach: Glen Sather

Ilya Kovalchuk - Phil Esposito (A) - Jaromir Jagr
Frank Mahovlich - Adam Oates - Vladimir Martinec
Claude Giroux - Eric Lindros - Owen Nolan
Igor Liba - Michael Peca - Frank Finnigan

Dave Andreychuk - Milan Novy - Jakub Voracek

Zdeno Chara (C) - Jan Suchy
Scott Niedermayer (A) - Ryan Suter
Jimmy Watson - Cy Wentworth

Kimmo Timonen

Jiří Holeček
Percy Leseur

Powerplay 1:

Phil Esposito
Frank Mahovlich - Jaromir Jagr
Ilya Kovalchuk - Scott Niedermayer

Powerplay 2:

Eric Lindros
Claude Giroux - Adam Oates
Zdeno Chara - Jan Suchy

Penalty Kill 1:
Michael Peca - Frank Finnigan
Zdeno Chara - Cy Wentworth

Penalty Kill 2:
Claude Giroux - Igor Liba
Jimmy Watson - Scott Niedermayer​

1st line: I really like the Esposito-Jagr combo, another super high-end offensive duo (the best in the league after Gretzky-Bossy?).OTOH, holy smokes I don't like Kovalchuk there with them at all.It makes the whole line a defensive black hole.

2nd line: How good defensively was Martinec again? After a total defensive black hole of a 1st line, I don't feel this line compensate enough in that department, even if Martinec were to be good defensively (is he?), and even considering I think Oates is underrated in that department.Mahovlich is obviously a strenght on a 2nd line, but his R-ON ROFF numbers shown in the Top 100 project were catastrophic IIRC.Line seems softish.

3rd line: Well that one isn't softish.Lindros and Nolan will be brutal for osme defensive pairing.But once again, while Lindros isn't bad defensively, that's clearly not a strong defensive line.I have no problem with the line, but not the type of 3rd line I want to see after a defensive disaster in the Top 6.

4th line: Big fan of Peca.Very good defensive line.But seems too little too late.Still, a great 4th line.Loved Liba when I had him.

1st pairing: Very weak 1st pairing.I like Chara but he is barely adequate as a #1D, and here he's paired with an average #3 in Suchy.The chemistry is good, but the talent level is not.

2nd pairing: Putting your #2D on your 2nd pairing is also risky, but that pairing works great IMO.I like it, but it came at the detriment of the 1st pairing.

3rd pairing: Strong.Love Wentworth as a #5.Watson is OK as a generic #6.

Goalie: Below-average

Leadership: Below-average

Coach: Good for your team

PP: Extremely strong forwards, and good pointmen.Esposito-Mahovlich are really good there, and Jagr is Jagr.2nd unit is also very strong.Definitely the best part of your team.

PK: 1st unit is strong, 2nd unit seems weak; am I wrong?

Overall: Your team has a lot of high-end offensive talent, but this came at a cost of appropriate defensive play.This gets worse, as the 1st pairing is weak and the goalie below-average.All of this put together creates an ugly storm raining down on your GA.Still, your team is going to score a ton of goals, and it will create a lot of problems around the net, especially to teams without good crease-clearing defenders.PP is excellent.Coach is a great fit.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the ball rolling.Keep in mind I don't know your players as much as you're supposed to know them.I'm throwing some comments and take them as an opportunity to correct me and teach about your team.

1995 Kelly Cup Champions (ECHL)

GENERAL MANAGER - Randy Savage

COACH: Cecil Hart

CAPTAIN: Dit Clapper
ALTERNATE: Bryan Trottier
ALTERNATE: Sprague Cleghorn

#11 Busher Jackson - #6 Frank Nighbor - # 10 Pavel Bure
#20 Luc Robitaille - #19 Bryan Trottier (A) - #12 Gordie Drillon
#97 Esa Tikkanen - #37 Patrice Bergeron - #22 Claude Lemieux
#8 Sergei Kapustin - #91 Steven Stamkos - #86 Nikita Kucherov
#8 Dave Trottier - #33 Kris Draper - #222 Dino Ciccarelli

#2 Sprague Cleghorn (A) - #5 Dit Clapper (C)
#3 Vladimir Lutchenko- #16 Vladimir Konstantinov
#77 Victor Hedman - #02 Red Horner
#8 Leo Reise Jr.

#1 Clint Benedict
#01 Ed Giacomin
PP1:
Jackson - Trottier - Bure
Cleghorn - Clapper

PP2:
Robitaille - Stamkos - Kucherov
Hedman - Kapustin

PK1:
Nighbor - Tikkanen
Cleghorn - Clapper

PK2:
Bergeron - Lemieux
Lutchenko - Konstantinov
​

Even Ice Time (45 minutes)
Line 1 - 12 (match scoring lines)
Line 2 - 12
Line 3 - 11 (Hard match top lines)
Line 4 - 10

Pair 1 - 18 (Shutdown Pair)
Pair 2 - 15
Pair 3 - 12

1st line: Ambivalent, but I see merit in putting ''rockets'' like Bure and Jackson with Nighbor so he can do his thing near center ice and send them off to score goals.Still, Nighbor usually had more help on the backcheck from his wingers than he will receive from Jackson and Bure.Overall, while I'm on the fence, I lean towards liking this original and bizarre line structure.

2nd line: I like Robitaille-Trottier and Trottier-Drillon, but I don't like Robitaille-Trottier-Drillon.This is putting too much pressure on Trottier, though at least he will see more 2nd pairings than he normally would.In real life the line was Gillies-Trottier-Bossy, and you could have used a Gillies there.

3rd line: Excellent 3rd line.Bergeron and a pair of insufferable pests.A great playoff type of line.

4th line: I'm usually a hater for offense-only 4th lines, but with Nighbor-Trottier-Bergeron upfront, I guess you could afford it.The question of TOI is still relevant, and that line sucks balls defensively, but again you could afford it.I like Kapustin and he was a steal.

1st pairing: Cleghorn was probably the steal of the draft in hindsight.Not sure why he fell.Him and Clapper are good all-arounders.Average #1 high-end #2 type of pairing, like the Gadsby-Chelios pairing of Habsfan18's team.A solid 1st pairing.

2nd pairing: Not a fan.Konstantinov is a mistake I made in my first ever draft in 2011, so I sympathize.But he is always overrated where he is taken, and Lutchenko is not good enough to compensate.This is a weakness on your team.I don't understand why you think Konstantinov was one of your best pick, when it was one of your worst.

3rd pairing: Would need to think more about Hedman.Not sure I'm up to date on his ATD value, so I will refrain.

Leadership: Average

PP: OK but nothing more

PK: Nighbor and Bergeron are great there, though I would probably find a place for Trottier somewhere.

Cleghorn and Clapper are hard to gauge as PP quarterbacks and PK defenders.I'd say they're solid but nothing more in both role, but others should chime in on that, am curious.

Goalie: Benedict is average and I like him.

Overall: IMO one of the best entry from a rookie.Strenght are insane two-way play from your top 3 centers, a solid 1st pairing and a prototypical playoff 3rd line.Weakness are the 2nd line and 2nd pairing.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the ball rolling.Keep in mind I don't know your players as much as you're supposed to know them.I'm throwing some comments and take them as an opportunity to correct me and teach about your team.

Sokovia Recorders

Punch Imlach
Roger Neilson

Cy Denneny - Syl Apps "A" - Bill Cook "A"
Roy Conacher - Jean Ratelle - Corey Perry
Bob Pulford - Anze Kopitar - George Armstrong "C"
Kevin Stevens - Cooney Weiland - Rick Tocchet

Jacques Laperriere - Eddie Shore
Moose Johnson - Jimmy Thomson
Sergei Gonchar - Terry Harper

Ken Dryden
Tiny Thompson

PP1: Denneny-Apps-Cook-Gonchar-Shore
PP2: Conacher-Ratelle-Perry-Laperriere-Thomson

PK1: Pulford-Weiland-Johnson-Thomson
PK2: Kopitar-Armstrong-Laperriere-Harper

Spares:
Bruce Stuart, F
Joe Primeau, C
Carol Vadnais, D​

1st line: Not getting Boucher really hurt you more than the actual difference between Apps and Boucher, mostly because Apps' defensive game is in question.Glancing quickly at your bio I see nothing to change my mind, but mayne I missed.As a whole, I love the 1st line, as in offensively and on the physical level.How good was Bill Cook defensively? There again, I don't think he was a strong defensive player, but maybe I just don't know him enough (he's still on my wishlist for an ATD).Denneny was OK defensively, but clearly the weakest defensive player on those Ottawa team.Both Denneny and Cook in particular will make this a heavy physical line.Overall I love it, but lacking defense.

2nd line: I love Jean Ratelle, but he appears to be your top defensive player inside your Top 6.Isn't that a problem on a Punch Imlach team? I'm asking from a position of ignorance.Perry is not bad defensively, but I'm guessing Roy Conacher is? Overall the 2nd line is good structurally, like the first line, but the Top 6 as a whole has questionable defense.

3rd line: An excellent 3rd line, providing everything you'd ask for, from offense, defense, size, physicality, leadership, playoffs heroics.

4th line: Kindda of a weird line but I like it.The crashing-banging wingers with the two-way talented and soft Weiland.It works.

1st pairing: Shore is a stud and Laperriere is good enough to support him.Lappy's role will be simple as the stay-at-home D, so even though he's a weak #2, he's not a problem there for me and the pairing is strong.Laperriere was like some sort of Doug Harvey-lite, controlling the flow and making passes, calming the atmosphere.He was a big guy, so the more I think of it, the more perfect he looks to play wit hShore; basically a superior version of Hitchman, with a bit less intimidating factor but more hockey sense, an easy tradeoff to make.

2nd pairing: Strong on a talent level.Thomson had a good ''first pass'', so even though the pairing is not strong offensively and both are more stay-at-home types, transition should run smooth enough.

3rd pairing: Obviously Gonchar is weak at ES.Harper is solid stay-at-home and physical D to protect him.

Goalie: Above-average

Coach: Above-average, but ambivalent about fit.I like the Imlach-Armstrong connection, just wondering about the defense from the Top 6.

Leadership: Very strong, among the best in the draft.

PP: Solid 1st, weakish 2nd.

PK: Both units are very solid.

Overall: From the start I kept an eye on this team as I had it as one of the favorite.I almost feel bad to have taken Frank Boucher away from you, as I feel if you had gotten him, you were the favorite straight up by boosting the 1st line with both Boucher's defense and known chemistry with Cook.That said, the team is still among the favorites.The defense is a solid, though on the conservative side outside of Shore and obviously Gonchar.The weakness I have against it is relative lack of defense from the Top 6, but eve nthere I'm not saying it's a catastrophic black hole type of lack of defense, but just you'd wish you had more of it.The 2nd line is OK but it's the part of the lineup that leaves me more ''meh''.I like the 1st line, the entire Top 4 on defense, the 3rd line is truly excellent.Leadership and goaltending are also an asset.

Congratulation on being the most productive GM for making biographies, so your team is backed by up to date information.I haven't had time to read it all but I did skim most of them.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll get the ball rolling.Keep in mind I don't know your players as much as you're supposed to know them.I'm throwing some comments and take them as an opportunity to correct me and teach about your team.

Honolulu Pineapples

Coach: Lester Patrick
Captain: Boris Mikhailov
Alternates: Henri Richard, Henrik Zetterberg

Bobby Hull - Gilbert Perreault - Boris Mikhailov
Henrik Zetterberg - Henri Richard - Alf Smith
Vincent Damphousse - Igor Larionov - Glenn Anderson
Don Marshall - Phil Watson - Peter Bondra
Extras: Phil Goyette, Vic Hadfield

Paul Coffey - Jack Stewart
Tom Johnson - Eric Desjardins
Gary Suter - Teppo Numminen
Extra: Sandis Ozolinsh, Dave Burrows

Georges Vezina
George Hainsworth

PP1:
Boris Mikhailov
Gilbert Perreault - Henrik Zetterberg - Bobby Hull
Paul Coffey

PP2:
Glenn Anderson
Igor Larionov - Henri Richard - Peter Bondra
Gary Suter

PK1:
Don Marshall - Henri Richard
Tom Johnson - Jack Stewart

PK2:
Henrik Zetterberg - Peter Bondra
Teppo Numminen - Eric Desjardins​

With the three core players being Bobby Hull, Henri Richard and Paul Coffey, that's a lot of great skaters!

1st line: I literally don't know what to think of Gilbert Perreault centering Bobby Hull.Wasn't Perreault a possession type? Everytime I saw him, awesome player that he was, he had the puck on his stick.Will be interesting to see what people think of this.Mikhailov is solid there.Bobby Hull is Bobby Hull, a major threat.

2nd line: H.Zetterberg-H.Richard is an awesome two-way duo.A pure playoff nightmare.Not sure about Alf Smith, at first glance he sticks out like a bit of an eyesore but I'd need to revisit him.

3rd line: Not bad chemistry-wise, but weakish on a talent level.Not as high on Larionov as others.Damphousse is fine but just fine.Anderson is great.Not sure I wouldn't prefer Anderson with Henri, a sick pair of fast skaters.

4th line: Bondra sticks out like an eyesore there IMO.Not sure what his meaning actually is.He's your lineup equivalent of an existential crisis.Marshall is great, Watson OK nothing more.

1st pairing: Good complementary pairing.Stewart perfect fit for Coffey.Coffey and Hull is too weird for my mind to even comprehend, like seeing a woman you're not sure whether she's the most beautiful creature on earth, or ugly, depending from which angle you look at her.

2nd pairing: Very solid, but I'm warming up to Tom Johnson more and more.Desjardins is underrated.I think they are good enough at transition, and very strong defensively.

3rd pairing: OK

Coach: One of the big strenght of your team, a Top 3-4 coach who can coach any sort of team.With the somewhat outside-the-box style to your lineup, getting Lester Patrick was a strong move.

Leadership: Solid, Mikhailov is a great captain (Kaptain) and Henri and Zetterberg are solid alternates.

Goaltending: Slightly above-average, solid.

PP: Strong 1st unit, weak 2nd unit.Coffey is probably overrated as a PPQB (compared to what youd expect) but he's still very strong.Hull is Hull, Mikhailov is good as a net presence, and Perreault has an ideal skillset for the man advantage.Can you share some light on Larionov on the PP? I don't remember at all.Suter is decent, but otherwise not a huge fan of Henri or Anderson there, and while Bondra is probably OK, I'm still stuck in a bottomless pit of anguish from that existential crisis from earlier.

PK: Again not sure how I like Henri on special units, since his role in real life was geared more towards even-strenght.Marshall-T.Johnson-Stewart is exceptionally strong though.Tom Johnson is often underrated on the PK but seventieslord opened my eyes in 2017.2nd unit is OK, but I had no idea Bondra was PKing.Clearly I have something wrong with Bondra.It's an opportunity to teach me about that guy because I remember him as a unidimensional soft sniper.

Overall: A team in my division I kept an eye on, especially after the three core players were all sick skaters.Main strenghts are having an all-time elite skater almost all the time on the ice with either Hull, Coffey or Henri.Lester Patrick a top tier coach whose even more useful to your unorthodox team.Vezina not a big strenght but a strenght none-the-less.Alternating between a Bobby Hull-Gilbert Perreault line and a Henrik Zetterberg-Henri Richard line is a huge difference in style form line ot line and it could pay off.PK is very strong.Weakness would be the 3rd and 4th line, a possible chemistry problem between Bobby Hull and Gilbert Perreault (to be discussed) and possibly self-destruction for your team from the existential crisis generated by Peter Bondra's very existence.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Quebec Bulldogs

Coach:Barry Trotz

Toe Blake-Wayne Gretzky-Mike Bossy
Michel Goulet-Ron Francis-Steve Larmer
Rod Bridnamour-Vyacheslav Starshinov-Tony Amonte
John Tonelli-Doug Jarvis-Ed Westfall

Extras: Ed Sandford, Murray Oliver

King Clancy-Serge Savard
JC Tremblay-Bll White
Alexander Ragulin-Lloyd Cook

Extras: Gary Bergman, Bill Hajt

Tony Esposito
Henrik Lundqvist

Captain: Wayne Gretzky
Alternates: Ron Francis, King Clancy

Special Teams:

PP 1: Blake-Gretzky-Bossy-Clancy-Tremblay
PP 2: Goulet-Brindamour-Larmer-Ragulin-Cook

PK 1: Westfall-Jarvis-Savard-White
PK 2: Brindamour-Starshinov-Ragulin-Clancy

1st line: Best duo in the league in Gretzky-Bossy makes your 1st line the most dangerous offensively.Toe Blake is a good glue guy to complete the line.

2nd line: Excellent 2nd line to support the Gretzky line.Getting Ron Francis there is reminiscient of him playing behind Mario Lemieux.The line is strong offensively and defensively.Even Goulet is probably underrated defensively.

3rd line: Brind'Amour and Starshinov brings some heart and grit.Not ideal to have Brind'Amour on the wing, but he can still take faceoffs.Amonte is a good ES scorer and underrated defensively.Ambivalent about the line due to Brind'Amour being on the wing, but at least you have the horses.

4th line: Prototypical defensive 4th line, not much to add.

1st pairing: Excellent 1st pairing, though I'd switch their side as I believe Clancy played mostly on the right side and Savard could play both equally well.I feel Clancy has the most potential to be considered a Top 10 defenseman among those usually ranked outside of it.Him and Savard are a perfect fit, as Savard is basically late-career Georges Boucher on steroid and the pairing had a lot of success, with Clancy driving the play.Both were excellent playoff performers.

2nd pairing: Again a good pairing a bit in the same mold of having an offensive guy with a defensive guy.Not a spectacular pairing but Tremblay is a good#3D and White is a good partner for him.

3rd pairing is good, Ragulin looks like a strong #5 but he's in need of a good bio.

Goalie: The main weakness of the team, with Tony Esposito being below-average and never having won the Stanley Cup.the same is true of your back-up goalie, Lundqvist, who never won it neither.That's a bit of a black mark on your team who is otherwise strong.

Leadership: Gretzky was a great leader in Edmonton, Serge Savard, Brind'Amour, Ron Francis etc are all good supporting leaders.So leadership is very strong.

Coach: Another weakness of the team.The fit is allright, but Trotz is relatively weak.

PP: 1st unit is very strong, 2nd unit are we sure Brind'Amour is a better choice than Francis? I'm asking because I don't know.

PK: 1st unit is strong, 2nd unit too unfamilair with Ragulin to know how good he is on PK.

Overall: I believe this is your best entry to date.Weaknesses are the goalies and perhaps the coach.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Coach: Mike Babcock
Captain: Yzerman
A Bourque , A Wilson, A Poulin

B Shanahan-Steve Yzerman-Teemu Selanne
Bill Barber- Peter Stastny- Mike Gartner
Brian Propp-Dave Poulin-Tim Kerr
Kirk Muller - Eric Staal-Tod Sloan
Dale Hunter-Patrick Marleau


Ray Bourque- Bill Quackenbush
Lionel Conacher-Doug Wilson
Bobby Baun-Kris Letang
Wally Stanowski
Dustin Byfuglien


Glenn Hall
Carey Price

PP1: Shanahan-Yzerman-Selanne
Bourque-Letang
PP2: Barber- Stastny-Gartner
Quackenbush-Wilson

PK1: Propp-Poulin
Baun Wilson

PK2: Muller-Staal
Bourque Quakenbush​

One of your strongest entry for sure.

1st line: Good 1st line with a bit of everything; Shanahan brings the physicality, Yzerman the two-way play and Selanne the goalscoring and flash.

2nd line: A decent 2nd line, if unspectacular.Stastny underrated defensively, Barber brings the grit, and Gartner the speed and reasonable offense.Ressembles your 1st line structurally.Talent level is fine, but just fine.

3rtd line: I almost missed that you recreated the actual line from Philadlephia when skimming.I'm a sucker for chemistry so I like it, especially since I think Propp and Poulin are good value for their respective roles.Kerr not so much, but this is forgivable by the chemistry bonus.

1st pairing: Very strong 1st pairing, and I say that as someone whom Quackenbush leaves cold.Bourque brings a lot of offense and both are great defensive defensemen.One of the best pairing in the draft.

2nd pairing: A strong pairing because Wilson is a strong #4 and Conacher is an OK #3.Overall while you lack the great #3D, you have a strong overall Top 4 on the blueline.

3rd pairing: OK nothing more

Goalie: Hall is a stud and a major strenght.Price is a great back up and even proven in that role.

Leadership: Above average

Coach: OK nothing more

Overall: Seriously this is a strong team and a contender.You don't always build good teams but this time you did.Great to see from the father of the ATD.

 

[Johnny Engine]

With the three core players being Bobby Hull, Henri Richard and Paul Coffey, that's a lot of great skaters!

1st line: I literally don't know what to think of Gilbert Perreault centering Bobby Hull.Wasn't Perreault a possession type? Everytime I saw him, awesome player that he was, he had the puck on his stick.Will be interesting to see what people think of this. Mikhailov is solid there.Bobby Hull is Bobby Hull, a major threat.

We don't really need to make guesses about how Hull and Perreault would play together - Bowman broke up an line with a more familiar centre - Esposito - and stuck them together in the Canada Cup and they were absolutely flying. It's not a long sample of established chemistry, but if you're making assumptions, you'd expect two talents like that to start awkwardly and eventually warm to each other - not to forget how to play together down the line.
With Hull and Mikita, we've got over a decade of that combination not producing any results. Maybe the difference there is Bowman vs. the Hawks coaches. If that's the case, I like their chances with Patrick.
I'm willing to say that this isn't like reuniting the Production Line or something like that. But there's only one ATD-top-6-caliber centre who appeared to improve Hull's on ice play rather than just treading water, and that's Perreault. In legal terms, I'm looking for a preponderance of evidence that this is going to work, not reasonable doubt.

2nd line: H.Zetterberg-H.Richard is an awesome two-way duo.A pure playoff nightmare.Not sure about Alf Smith, at first glance he sticks out like a bit of an eyesore but I'd need to revisit him.

3rd line: Not bad chemistry-wise, but weakish on a talent level.Not as high on Larionov as others.Damphousse is fine but just fine.Anderson is great.Not sure I wouldn't prefer Anderson with Henri, a sick pair of fast skaters.

I'd consider that alignment. Anderson's a little weaker defensively for my primary matchup line, but if he's on the ice with Stewart or Desjardins, the right side is more than covered. Thoughts from anyone else?

4th line: Bondra sticks out like an eyesore there IMO.Not sure what his meaning actually is.He's your lineup equivalent of an existential crisis.Marshall is great, Watson OK nothing more.

The primary reason I drafted Bondra is because he's a left shot who can stand in the same place on the power play when Hull gets gassed, but I don't see him as a problem on a fourth line. The key phrase with Bondra, I think is straight lines. He's a tunnel-visioned winger who'll pick the shortest route to where he's going and turn on the jets to get there. I'd rather have that playing 6 or 7 minutes worth of short shifts than a more cerebral contemporary like Palffy or Mogilny. And while I don't expect him to be some kind of gritty battler in the corners, he fits the archetype of that European shoot-first winger who was a low-key dirtbag in the same way Bure and Kovalchuk sometimes were (or Ovechkin, but there's nothing low-key about OV's dirtbag qualities).
The biggest knock on him is that he's kind of a black hole as a playmaker. And that's fine, I'm not counting on Watson or Marshall to score goals off of his stick. And I don't see him as having the hockey sense to be a shutdown forward at even strength, but I'm not chasing matchups against better players here - the goal of most 4th lines is going to be to play the other one to a draw and contribute positively in other ways.

1st pairing: Good complementary pairing.Stewart perfect fit for Coffey.Coffey and Hull is too weird for my mind to even comprehend, like seeing a woman you're not sure whether she's the most beautiful creature on earth, or ugly, depending from which angle you look at her.

2nd pairing: Very solid, but I'm warming up to Tom Johnson more and more.Desjardins is underrated.I think they are good enough at transition, and very strong defensively.

3rd pairing: OK

Coach: One of the big strenght of your team, a Top 3-4 coach who can coach any sort of team.With the somewhat outside-the-box style to your lineup, getting Lester Patrick was a strong move.

Leadership: Solid, Mikhailov is a great captain (Kaptain) and Henri and Zetterberg are solid alternates.

Goaltending: Slightly above-average, solid.

No argument here.

PP: Strong 1st unit, weak 2nd unit.Coffey is probably overrated as a PPQB (compared to what youd expect) but he's still very strong.Hull is Hull, Mikhailov is good as a net presence, and Perreault has an ideal skillset for the man advantage.Can you share some light on Larionov on the PP? I don't remember at all. Suter is decent, but otherwise not a huge fan of Henri or Anderson there, and while Bondra is probably OK, I'm still stuck in a bottomless pit of anguish from that existential crisis from earlier.

Would Damphousse look better in the middle, or Watson on the wall?
Larionov's numbers look good in the NHL, and his skillset fits the position I have him in. I'll have to dig deeper on him for a stronger take.

PK: Again not sure how I like Henri on special units, since his role in real life was geared more towards even-strenght.Marshall-T.Johnson-Stewart is exceptionally strong though.Tom Johnson is often underrated on the PK but seventieslord opened my eyes in 2017.2nd unit is OK, but I had no idea Bondra was PKing.Clearly I have something wrong with Bondra.It's an opportunity to teach me about that guy because I remember him as a unidimensional soft sniper.

Should I perhaps switch Zetterberg onto the first unit?
During Bondra's prime, he was a consistent threat shorthanded, leading the league once. The best way to think of him is as a rich man's Michael Grabner, who's been a career bottom sixer and PK specialist, except Bondra has a shot.
Would my PK forwards look best broken into 3 units, with Z-Marshall as the first one, and Bondra on the more aggressive of the other two units? And out of Smith, Damphousse, Watson and Richard, who would you use for those?

Overall: A team in my division I kept an eye on, especially after the three core players were all sick skaters.Main strenghts are having an all-time elite skater almost all the time on the ice with either Hull, Coffey or Henri.Lester Patrick a top tier coach whose even more useful to your unorthodox team.Vezina not a big strenght but a strenght none-the-less.Alternating between a Bobby Hull-Gilbert Perreault line and a Henrik Zetterberg-Henri Richard line is a huge difference in style form line ot line and it could pay off.PK is very strong.Weakness would be the 3rd and 4th line, a possible chemistry problem between Bobby Hull and Gilbert Perreault (to be discussed) and possibly self-destruction for your team from the existential crisis generated by Peter Bondra's very existence.

Thanks for the review, hopefully we can keep the conversation going. Clearly I'm going to have to shore up some bios and link them in my roster post!