ATD2011 Sam Pollock Prelims: (4) Vancouver Maroons vs. (5) Niagara City Blues

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  1. seventieslord

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    Powerplay

    Forward Unit A: Richards - Sakic - Cook
    Forward Unit B: Marleau - Johansson - Demitra

    Pointmen:
    Numminen (RH) – Tremblay (LH)
    Maxwell (RH) – Tremblay
    Thomson (RH) – Mortson (LH)

    Tremblay – 75% - 5:00 minutes
    Numminen – 40% - 3:00
    Maxwell – 35% - 2:30
    Thomson – 25% - 1:45
    Morston – 25% - 1:45

    *Tremblay will be at the helm for most of the PP, with Numminen and Maxwell taking turns next to him.
    *The Gold Dust Twins come on near the end to play the ES shift after.
    *The first unit plays more of a perimeter game, with Richards, Sakic, Numminen, and Tremblay moving the puck around the outside and Cook in the slot.
    *The second unit will throw the puck on net more, with Johansson and Marleau in the slot.

    Penalty Kill

    Risebrough - Finnigan
    Thomson – Mortson

    MacGregor – Leswick
    Tremblay – Goldham

    Sakic - Marleau
    Thomson - Mortson


    VS

    NIAGRA CITY BLUES
    GM: matsblue13
    Coach: Glen Sather
    Captain: Al MacInnis
    Alternate Captains: Guy Carbonneau, Mats Sundin

    Forwards
    Pavel Bure - Mats Sundin - Peter Bondra
    Dennis Hull - Buddy O’Connor - Joe Mullen
    Anton Stastny - Guy Carbonneau - Milan Hejduk
    Al Secord - Dale Hunter - Ray Sheppard
    Ed Olyczk
    Miroslav Satan

    Defensemen
    Doug Mohns - Al MacInnis
    Jimmy Watson- Tommy Anderson
    Tomas Kaberle- Dave Babych
    Darryl Sydor

    Goaltenders
    Billy Smith
    Chris Osgood

    PP1
    Anton Stastny-Mats Sundin-Pavel Bure
    Al MacInnis- Milan Hejduk
    PP2
    Dennis Hull-Buddy O’Connor-Mullen
    Jimmy Watson- Peter Bondra

    PK1
    Guy Carbonneau – Dale Hunter
    Al MacInnis- Dave Babych

    PK2
    Dale Hunter- Dennis Hull
    Doug Mohns- Jimmy Watson
     
  2. monster_bertuzzi

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    The Maroons look better than a #4 seed but I think this was a tough division at the top. Bure and Bondra on the same line isnt the brightest idea - see Bure and Mogilny when they were in Vancouver.
     
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    And Mogilny was actually competent at passing the puck.
     
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    Meh, not happy... but what can I say, I haven't really put the necessary effort into selling my team that I should have. There were some important points I wanted to address during assassinations that I never got around to.

    I think I'll use this series as a forum to, hopefully, address some of the points about my team. I think it's a very good team that can fare better in a playoff match-up than it might have looked on paper at first glance. Hopefully it's not too late though... I'd feel good about my chances going up against the Steelers or Monsters, but Strum is pretty much the scariest GM in the league to go up against, and I have a feeling Gwinnett drew first seed.
     
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    Don't feel too bad; as monster_bertuzzi mentioned, you were in a rather good division; the Gladiators, Steelers, and Monsters are all pretty great teams.
     
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    I definitely think Vancouver was a better team than this ranking indicates.
     
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    Mats its not too late to make a little tweak in your lines, Id suggest splitting up Bure and Bondra and getting Bure to RW on the top line, where he will be most effective.

    Hull-Sundin-Bure
    Bondra-O'Connor-Mullen
     
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    thanks for the heads up bud
     
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    NIAGRA CITY BLUES
    GM: matsblue13
    Coach: Glen Sather
    Captain: Al MacInnis
    Alternate Captains: Guy Carbonneau, Mats Sundin

    Forwards
    Pavel Bure - Mats Sundin - Joe Mullen
    Dennis Hull - Buddy O’Connor - Petr Bondra
    Al Secord - Guy Carbonneau - Milan Hejduk
    Anton Stastny - Dale Hunter - Ed Olyczk
    Ray Sheppard
    Miroslav Satan
    Petr Nedved
    Defensemen
    Doug Mohns - Al MacInnis
    Jimmy Watson- Tommy Anderson
    Tomas Kaberle- Dave Babych
    Darryl Sydor

    Goaltenders
    Billy Smith
    Chris Osgood

    PP1
    Al Secord -Mats Sundin-Pavel Bure
    Al MacInnis- Milan Hejduk
    PP2
    Dennis Hull-Buddy O’Connor-Mullen
    Jimmy Watson- Peter Bondra

    PK1
    Guy Carbonneau – Dale Hunter
    Al MacInnis- Dave Babych

    PK2
    Dale Hunter- Dennis Hull
    Doug Mohns- Jimmy Watson
     
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    This series pretty much revolves around Sakic and Cook. If Niagara can slow them down, their depth with outscore Vanouver's. If they can't slow them down, the Vancouver "big 2" will run wild and blow the series open.


    Niagara needs to load up a line to match up. Carbonneay in Sakic's face. Move Dale Hunter to LW, and he can go head to head with Cook. Is that enough?
     
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    Speaking of Hunter, he probably shouldn't be playing the full 2 minutes of penalty time
     
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    lol... save the politics for our own series in the next round, you don't need to try and get a head start with subliminal smears.

    This series doesn't revolve around Sakic and Cook, one team outclasses the other in every way possible, all through out the lineup.
     
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    If Sakic and Cook are shut down, Niagara City does have a chance at an upset. But they are the best two players in this series, so that's a tall order.

    Carbonneau is arguably the best defensive center ever (Bobby Clarke and Frank Nighbor are the other candidates IMO), but he can't do it alone.
     
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    There's no need to speak in a hypothetical though, we can all see that Niagra has absolutely no chance at shutting them down.

    Even if they did, Milan Hejduk and Peter Bondra probably still wouldn't be enough for Niagra to "outscore" it's way to next round when Vancouver outclasses them in net, on the blueline, and has team defense and depth shut-down players like Finnigan, Leswick, Risebrough, and MacGregor.
     
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    I think your heve the better team too, but not good enough to coast through the series. Not sure why you think you're the automatic winner here....

    Niagara does have a better 2nd line, a better 1st defense pair, and a batter coach, so I wouldn't say you outclass them in every way.

    As I said before, being cocky only hurts your chances.
     
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    Agreed. It is exactly that sort of attitude that lets an underdog team surprise the favourite.
     
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    Thats better Mats, I would sill do everything to put Bure at RW though.
     
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    Indeed. Bure>>>Mullen. The worse player should be forced to play on his off-wing.
     
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    Miro Satan is a better all-time player than Ray Sheppard and brings just as much away from the puck. I`d give him a shot over Sheppard. The benefit to this is also that he can play LW.

    That means you can play your 4 great RWs all on the right side where they belong. Is it smart though - I am torn. One of Hejduk, Bure, Mullen and Bondra would have to be on a 4th line. Is that too much of a waste, is it more of a waste than having Bure on the left. Feedback from other GMs would be appreciated.
     
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    Hejduk on the Carbonneau line is pretty pointless he should be on the 4th and get 2nd unit PP duty.
     
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    but then, who do you put with Carbo? The only guy who is anything close to suited is Mullen.
     
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    Yeah. Mats kind of drafted himself into a corner by not selecting enough defensively capable forwards (and not picking them up in the add/drop phase while he still could). I think Mullen pretty much has to go there. Arrbez suggested moving Tommy Anderson to LW in the assassination thread, which is an idea I thought had some merit.
     
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    What about:

    Dale Hunter - Mats Sundin - Pavel Bure
    Al Secord - Buddy O’Connor - Petr Bondra
    Dennis Hull - Joe Mullen- Milan Hejduk
    Anton Statny - Guy Carbonneau - Ed Olyczk

    It gives the top 6 badly needed physicality and puck winning ability, and you're forming what I attempted to make of a checking line with the 4th line. Stastny was described as a smart hockey player that used it offensively and defensively, giving him a little bit of ability to check. Olczyk has some remotely high penalty minute totals(a stretch, I know), forming somewhat of a checking/physical line. Hunter is the only one moving out of position, as I believe Mullen played some center. The other 3 lines are basically one dimensional scoring lines.
     
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    NIAGRA CITY BLUES
    GM: matsblue13
    Coach: Glen Sather
    Captain: Al MacInnis
    Alternate Captains: Guy Carbonneau, Mats Sundin

    Al Secord - Mats Sundin - Pavel Bure
    Dennis Hull - Buddy O’Connor - Petr Bondra
    Tommy Anderson - Guy Carbonneau - Joe Mullen
    Miroslav Satan - Dale Hunter - Milan Hejduk

    Ray Sheppard
    Anton Stastny
    Petr Nedved

    Defensemen
    Doug Mohns - Al MacInnis
    Jimmy Watson- Dave Babych
    Tomas Kaberle- Darryl Sydor


    Goaltenders
    Billy Smith
    Chris Osgood

    PP1
    Al Secord -Mats Sundin-Pavel Bure
    Al MacInnis- Milan Hejduk
    PP2
    Dennis Hull-Buddy O’Connor-Mullen
    Jimmy Watson- Peter Bondra

    PK1
    Guy Carbonneau – Dale Hunter
    Al MacInnis- Dave Babych

    PK2
    Mats Sundin- Dennis Hull
    Doug Mohns- Jimmy Watson
     
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    ahahah I'm trying to fit in everyone's recommendations. I forgot who told me this, but two big bodies like Secord and Sundin with a speedy winger like Bure sounds pretty good
     

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