ATD2011 Bob Cole Prelims: (4) Portland Pirates vs. (5) Montreal AAA

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  1. seventieslord

    seventieslord Student Of The Game

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    coaches Dr. Jan Starsi and Ivan Hlinka

    Brian Propp - Cyclone Taylor - Helmuts Balderis
    Tommy Smith - Igor Larionov - George Armstrong (A)
    Vinny Damphousse - Red Sullivan (A) - Bengt-Ã…ke Gustafsson
    Jack Marks - Brian Skrudland - Pat Flatley
    Frank Rankin, Moose Watson

    Red Kelly (C) - Tom Johnson
    Vladimir Lutchenko - Battleship Leduc
    Fred Lake - Phil Housley
    Albert Langlois

    Hugh Lehman
    John Vanbiesbrouck


    Red Kelly

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    Cyclone Taylor

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    Igor Larionov

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    Tom Johnson

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    Brian Propp

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    Vladimir Lutchenko

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    He was the cornerstone of the great USSR teams' defense in the 1970s, effective in the 1972 Summit Series, the 1974 Series, the 1976 Canada Cup bronze medal, eight world championships and ten Soviet league titles, in addition to two Olympic golds. He was a Soviet all-star for seven years in a row: 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977.

    George Armstrong

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    Phil Housley

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    Helmuts Balderis

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    Hugh Lehman

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    Vinny Damphousse

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    Albert "Battleship†Leduc

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    Tommy Smith

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    VS


    Head Coach : Vladimir Yurzinov
    Ass / Goalie coach : Warren Strelow


    Aurel Joliat - Stan Mikita - Didier Pitre
    Jiri Holik - Marty Walsh - Reggie Leach
    Marty Pavelich -Ralph Backstrom - Blair Russel
    Georges Mantha - Andy Blair - Joe Lamb
    Josef Malecek - Tony Amonte

    Mark Howe - Ken Reardon
    Lionel Hitchman - Dickie Boon
    Allan Cameron - Clem Loughlin
    Udo Kiessling

    (Georges Mantha is the unofficial 8th D-Men)

    Ron Hextall
    Chico Resch


    Joliat - Mikita - Leach - Howe - Loughlin
    Holik - Walsh - Pitre - Reardon - Boon

    (with Amonte in the lineup, Pitre is moved to the 1st unit, on D. Amonte is on the 2nd line)

    Pavelich - Backstrom - Hitchman - Cameron
    Mantha - Russell - Boon - Reardon
    Pitre - Mikita - Hitchman - Howe/Cameron
    Joliat - Blair/Lamb/Backstrom (depends on opponent, and who's in the sin bin) - Boon - Reardon/Howe (see, the C's)
    - the 2nd guy is the C/main faceoff player -

    (Udo Kiessling gets PK time if he plays (think Allen Cameron's spot)), and gets PP time if Amonte isn't in the lineup, Reardon isn't in the sin bin, and Boon needs a rest. Which mean -- he probably doesn't get any)

    NEED A GOAL?

    Joliat - Mikita - Pitre - Howe



     
  2. DoMakc

    DoMakc Registered User

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    Seventies, can you delete those minibios? I thought it wasn't really necessary to put them into roster post, but it was a "rookie"...
    I was shocked to see Montreal finish last in this division: outstanding first and third lines, strong first pairing, I guess, this is what Ron Hextall does to your team...
     
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    Those minibios really make this annoying to look at.

    Edit:haha, the only other post in the thread said the same thing
     
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    BenchBrawl joueur de hockey

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    damn I hated those mini bios everytime I tried to compare teams in the roster thread , like why do you feel the need to take 6 times the space everybody else is taking? lol
     
  5. Sturminator

    Sturminator I voted for Kodos

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    When you're running six times as many teams as everyone else, why not?
     
  6. BillyShoe1721

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    Am I the only one that had Portland a lot higher than this? Maybe it was because I sent in my votes before the VI fiasco, but I think that's a strong team that people trashed because of the guy that built it. This was the hardest division to rank if you ask me, neither of these teams deserves to be eliminated this early.
     
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    I'm not the biggest fan of Portland's scoring lines to be honest. I think Propp, Balderis, and Armstrong would all be best pushed down one line on the depth chart, though Propp and Armstrong do both raise their level of offense in the playoffs.

    Portland's 2nd and 3rd defense pairings are a bit too offensively inclined for my liking.

    Portland does have some nice strengths though - Red Kelly is a great #1 and while neither Johnson of Lutchenko is a standout at a #2, the fact that he has both of them is really nice.
     
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    I didn't expect to be in the bottom 2 but was still thrilled to find out I wasn't. It was a very strong divison, and I also can't help but think the VI fiasco seriously hurt his team.

    I'll check the votes from before and after the multi account issue to see if there is any trend.
     
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    Nope, I had Portland ranked #1 in the division.

    EDIT: lol, you know what I just remembered? When I compared Marleau to Propp in the draft thread earlier this year, VanI came in and said that he loved the comparison to Propp because he was "another one of those extremely-underrated, multi-use, etc... players" and basically pimped Propp.
     
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    Well I'd love to run in to them and try to change your mind in that case.

    Edit: Good catch on the cross player pimpimg haha.
     
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    Patrik Elias > Brian Propp, though it's likely close.

    Propp is a great guy to have in the playoffs, but he's a tad overrated by his regulat draft position IMO.
     
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    agreed
     
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    Of course you do...
     
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    of course I do ;)

    Always liked Elias anyway , way before having him on my ATD team.
     
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    I don't know.. I think he's probably about right depending on team need.

    Personally, I would take him over John Leclair and Steve Schutt (two of the LWs drafted before him) pretty much any day at face value. As always it depends on your teams philosophy etc. but Propp was such a good all around player and the stats don't really do him justice.

    In general I think those Flyers teams of the 80s get underrated (Howe, Propp, Poulin, Kerr etc.) because they couldn't close the deal against some dynasty clubs.

    Each of those guys were extremely good players.
     
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    I really want to vote for this series objectively. One of the huge potential advantages I see for Portland is in goal - I think that in the regular season, Lehman is probably just as good as Georges Vezina and just a little behind Charlie Gardiner.

    And Hextall, well, he has a great goalie coach to help him out....

    That said, Sturm, you said based on your research Lehman might be the biggest playoff choker of all time. Did you find anything other than a report or two of a goal from center ice? Just one or two incidents makes him no worse than Tony Esposito, which might be an issue, or maybe not.

    Edit: Other than what we already know, which is that Lehman's teams kept losing in the finals.
     
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    :laugh:

    I had Montreal AAA as the top team in this division.

    One of the best 1st lines. One of the best 3rd ines. A solid top-4 on the blueline.
     
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    Solid top 3 on the blueline at least. I'm not sold (yet?) on Boon in the top 4

    Agree that first and third lines for Montreal are great.
     
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    seventieslord Student Of The Game

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    I know those mini-bios are annoying. But, I left them in because what I feel I was given the go-ahead to do was include the full roster posts, not make the executive decision as to what should and shouldn't be included from each person's roster post - essentially, I just wanted to handle each one exactly the same.

    If you guys are not fans of this after all, let's discuss it some more so that I create these matchup threads the best way going forward.
     
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    Rosters.
    PP and PK units.
    Links to Bios.

    That's all we need.
     
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    Basically. I could do without Links to bios if they make the post longer, but don't mind keeping them in. We basically just need the roster in the way it was presented in the roster thread.

    Edit: If you feel it's a problem to decide what to include or not, I'd rather go back to VI's way than have long lists of when a guy was drafted, mini profiles, or trophy cases in the OP.
     
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    Montreal AAA HC defeats the Portland Pirates 2 games to 1.

    3 stars:
    1. Mikita
    2. Kelly
    3. Joliat
     

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