ATD championship retrospective

[Sturminator]

MOD: Here is the link for the MLD championship retrospective: MLD championship retrospective. Here is the link for the OPPF championship retrospective: OPPF championship retrospective. This thread is about the ATD championship.

Here are the ATD champions in the playoff era:

ATD#6 champions, Montreal Canadiens (*note: 20 team draft*):

GM: Hockey Outsider

Coach: Tommy Ivan

Paul Kariya - Adam Oates - Gordie Howe
Johnny Bucyk - Doug Gilmour - Peter Bondra
Dean Prentice - Hooley Smith - Bobby Rousseau
Ryan Smyth - Doug Risebrough - Stan Smyl
Brad Richards

Sprague Cleghorn - Brad Park
Chris Chelios - Jim Schoenfeld
Stefan Persson - Charlie Huddy
Ted Harris

Johnny Bower
Gump Worsley
Mike Liut​

ATD#7 champions, Nanaimo Clippers (*note: 28 team draft*):

GM: pitseleh

Coach: Hap Day

Doug Bentley - Newsy Lalonde - Cyclone Taylor
Roy Conacher - Adam Oates - Odie Cleghorn
Paul Thompson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Don Marcotte - Doug Risebrough - Terry O'Reilly
Marian Hossa

Allan Stanley - Earl Seibert
Babe Siebert - Sylvio Mantha
Didier Pitre - Bill Hajt
Ted Harris

Glenn Hall
Normie Smith
Charlie Hodge​

ATD#8 champions, Montreal Canadiens (*note: 28 team draft*):

GM: Hockey Outsider

Coach: Al Arbour

Charlie Simmer - Newsy Lalonde - Yvan Cournoyer
Vic Hadfield - Jean Ratelle - Hooley Smith
Don Marcotte - Doug Jarvis - Pit Martin
Marcel Bonin - Troy Murray - Eddie Shack
Pierre Turgeon

Denis Potvin - Harry Howell
Marcel Pronovost - Rob Ramage
Bill Hajt - Bill Barilko
Lloyd Cook

Turk Broda
Roger Crozier
Rollie Melanson​

ATD#9 champions, Buffalo Bisons (*note: 32 team draft*):

GM: pappyline

Coach: Dick Irvin
Asst coach & Trainer:Lloyd Percival

Busher Jackson - Stan Mikita(A) - Vaclav Nedomansky
Alex Delvecchio - Tod Sloan - Eddie Litzenberger(C)
Don Marshall - Fleming Mackell - Jerry Toppazzini
Johnny Wilson - Orland Kurtenbach - Murray Balfour
Bill Red Hay

Bill White - Pierre Pilote (A)
Carl Brewer - Neil Colville
Frank Patrick - Doug Barkley
Pat Egan

Chuck Rayner
Gerry McNeil​

ATD#10 champions, San Francisco Spiders (*note: 28 team draft*):

GMs: Sturminator / Transplanted Caper

Coach: Cecil Hart

Johnny Bucyk (A) - Joe Sakic (C) - Alexander Maltsev
Frank Foyston - Denis Savard - Ed Litzenberger
Dean Prentice - Don McKenney - Ron Ellis
Bruce Stuart - Jack Adams - Dirk Graham
extras: Fred Stanfield, Vladimir Vikulov

Bill Gadsby - Niklas Lidstrom (A)
Hod Stuart - Cy Wentworth
Phil Russell - Bert Corbeau
extra: Rod Seiling

Grant Fuhr
Dave Kerr​

ATD#11 champions, Boston Bruins (*note: 28 team draft*):

GMs: Sturminator / Evil Speaker

Coach: Al Arbour

Alex Delvecchio - Frank Nighbor - Bill Cook (C)
John LeClair - Peter Stastny (A) - Vladimir Martinec
J.P. Parise - Don McKenney - Harry Hyland
Ed Sandford - Dick Irvin Sr. - Jim Pappin
Reggie Fleming - Charlie Burns

Doug Harvey - Hap Day (A)
Jim Neilson - Jan Suchy
Graham Drinkwater - Red Dutton
Gilles Marotte

Grant Fuhr
Dave Kerr​

ATD#12 champions, Detroit Falcons (*note: 32 team draft*):

GM: EagleBelfour

Coach: Herb Brooks
Assistant Coach:Father David Bauer

Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt (C) - Bobby Bauer
Roy Conacher - Duke Keats (A) - Harry Hyland
Harry P. Watson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Ed Sandford - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver
extras: Reggie Fleming, Wally Hergesheimer

Bill Quackenbush - Jimmy Thomson (A)
Lionel Conacher (A) - Cyclone Wentworth
Art Duncan - Bucko McDonald

Terry Sawchuk
Mike Karakas​

ATD 2010 champions, New Jersey Swamp Devils (*note: 30-team draft*):

GM: TheDevilMadeMe

Coach: Tommy Ivan

Busher Jackson - Sid Abel (C) - Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk - Denis Savard - Vladimir Martinec
Don Marshall - Pit Lepine - Dirk Graham (A)
Jiri Holik - Murray Oliver - Wilf Paiement
Ray Getliffe

Borje Salming - Rob Blake
Babe Siebert (A) - Ted Green
Brian Engblom - Albert Leduc
Yuri Liapkin, Marty McSorley

Charlie Gardiner
Charlie Hodge​

ATD 2011 champions, Regina Pats (*note: 40-team draft):

GM: seventieslord

Coach: Fred Shero

Johnny Bucyk - Mark Messier (C) - Teemu Selanne
Jack Adams - Pierre Turgeon - Wayne Cashman (A)
Mel Bridgman - Murray Oliver - Bob Nevin
Dubbie Kerr - Cal Gardner - Al MacAdam
Extras: Bob MacMillan, Andre Boudrais

King Clancy - Hap Day (A)
Jim Neilson (A) - Leo Reise Jr.
Wade Redden - Joe Watson
Bryan MacCabe, Lou Fontinato

Tony Esposito
Roger Crozier​

ATD 2012 champions, Inglewood Jacks (*note: 32-team draft):

GM: arrbez

Coach: Cecil Hart

Harry Watson - Wayne Gretzky (C) - Jari Kurri
Baldy Northcott - Pat Lafontaine - Alexander Mogilny
Ross Lonsberry - Rod Brind'Amour (A) - Ron Ellis
Murray Murdoch - Mike Richards - Bernie Nicholls

Brian Leetch - Moose Johnson (A)
George Boucher (A) - Jimmy Watson
Lloyd Cook - Kimmo Timonen

Tiny Thompson
Rogie Vachon​

ATD 2013 champions, Montreal Canadiens (*note: 32-team draft):

GMs: BenchBrawl / Sturminator

Coach: Tommy Gorman

Busher Jackson - Frank Boucher - Boris Mikhailov (K)
Sergei Kapustin - Jeremy Roenick - Helmut Balderis
Shane Doan - Don Luce - Tony Amonte
Joe Klukay - Troy Murray - Mario Tremblay
Patrik Sundstrom, Jason Spezza, Steve Thomas

Raymond Bourque (A) - Art Coulter (A)
Gus Mortson - Jimmy Thomson
Bobby Rowe - Mathieu Schneider
Rick Ley

Georges Vezina
Al Rollins​

ATD 2014 champions, New Jersey Swamp Devils (*note: 28-team, no-trade draft):

GM: TheDevilMadeMe

Coach: Tommy Ivan

Toe Blake (A) - Bill Cowley - Bill Cook (C)
Gordon Roberts - Peter Forsberg - Gordon Drillon
Tony Leswick - Patrice Bergeron - Frank Finnigan
Sergei Kapustin - Vladimir Shadrin - Todd Bertuzzi
Ray Getliffe, Ryan Kesler, Alexei Kovalev

Babe Siebert - Red Kelly (A)
Herb Gardiner - Harry Cameron
Ryan Suter - Kevin Hatcher
Ed Van Impe

Grant Fuhr
Chuck Rayner
​

ATD 2015 champions, Pittsburgh Athletic Club (*note: 32-team, no-trade draft):

GM: Rob Scuderi

Coach: Anatoli Tarasov
Assistant Coach: Billy Reay

Paul Kariya-Gordie Howe
Ebbie Goodfellow-Ted Kennedy(C)
Dit Clapper(A)

Darryl Sittler (A)-Dany Heatley
Glen Harmon-Dave Taylor
Herb Gardiner

Veniamin Alexandrov-Vladimir Vikulov
Pit Lepine-Lennart Svedberg
Rod Seiling

Kelly Miller-Ryan Kesler-Ron Stewart

Johnny Bower
Roberto Luongo

Spares: Mike Green, Johnny Gagnon, Paul Shmyr​

ATD 2016 champions, Pittsburgh Athletic Club (*note: 26-team draft):

GM: Rob Scuderi

Coach: Lester Patrick

Vladimir Krutov-Frank Boucher-Brett Hull
Frank Foyston (C)-Marty Barry-Andy Bathgate
Jiri Holik-Ivan Hlinka (A)-Bob Nevin
Don Marshall-Dale Hunter-Terry O'Reilly
Kent Nilsson, Brenden Morrow, Jack Adams

Ebbie Goodfellow (A)-Doug Harvey
Georges Boucher-Bob Goldham
Rod Seiling-Nikolai Sologubov
Viktor Kuzkin

Grant Fuhr
Rogie Vachon​

ATD 2017 champions, Montreal Canadiens (*note: 25-team draft*):

GM: BenchBrawl

Coach: Al Arbour

Patrik Elias - Bryan Trottier (A) - Bernard Geoffrion
Paul Thompson - Mike Modano - Glenn Anderson
Jamie Benn - Frank Fredrickson - Tony Amonte
Dave Andreychuk - Gregg Sheppard - Jerry Toppazzini
Joe Pavelski, Marian Gaborik, Bill Thoms

Doug Harvey (A) - Shea Weber (A)
Derian Hatcher (C) - Georges Boucher
Jimmy Watson - Ted Green
Brian Campbell

Frank Brimsek
Carey Price​

ATD 2018 champions, New York Americans (*note: 24-team draft*):

GM: rmartin65

Coach: Anatoli Tarasov
Assistant Coach: Billy Reay

Paul Kariya - Stan Mikita - Boris Mikhailov (K)
Sid Abel (A) - Steven Stamkos - Rod Gilbert
Gord Roberts - Anze Kopitar (A) - Ace Bailey
Dave Balon - Don Luce - Blair Russell
Lynn Patrick, Terry O'Reilly

Borje Salming - Brad Park (A)
Babe Seibert - Bob Goldham
Vasili Davydov - Joe Hall
Lars-Eric Sjoberg

Bernie Parent
Sergei Bobrovsky
​

ATD 2019 champions, Chicago Shamrocks (*note: 20-team draft*, no-trade draft):

GM: Hawkey Town 18

Coach: Fred Shero

Patrick Elias - Milt Schmidt (A) - Guy Lafleur
Sweeney Schriner - Joe Malone - Cecil Dillon
Brad Marchand - Neil Colville - Claude Provost
Zach Parise - Edgar Laprade - Ryan Kesler
Spares: Pat Lafontaine, Bob Davidson

Scott Stevens (C) - Red Kelly
Herb Gardiner - Georges Boucher (A)
Jim Neilson - P.K. Subban
Spares: Red Dutton, Rod Seiling

Vladislav Tretiak
Rogie Vachon
​

ATD 2020 champions, New Jersey Swamp Devils (*note: 40-team draft*, no-trade draft) (2 teams per GM format):

GM: TheDevilMadeMe

Coach: Ken Hitchcock
Assistant Coach: Bob Johnson

Vladimir Krutov - Sid Abel (C) - Guy Lafleur
Boris Mayorov (A) - Yvacheslav Starshinov - Bobby Bauer
Tony Leswick - Cooney Weiland - Mush March
Ab McDonald - Mike Ricci - Tim Kerr
Spare: Steve Sullivan

Allan Stanley - Earl Seibert (A)
Vladimir Lutchenko - Flash Hollett
Vasili Pervukhin - Doug Young
Spare: Jack Evans

George Hainsworth
Ben Bishop
​

ATD 2021 champions, Orillia Terriers (*note: 24-teams draft*)

GM: Dreakmur

Coach: Lester Patrick

Tommy Phillips - Wayne Gretzky (C) - Charlie Conacher (A)
Brad Marchand - Marty Barry - Bobby Bauer
Artemi Panarin - Cooney Weiland - Claude Provost
Brian Sutter - Camille Henry - Floyd Curry
Spares: Lynn Patrick, Jack Marshall

Scott Niedermayer (A) - Drew Doughty
Pat Stapleton - Bill White
Ryan McDonagh - P.K. Subban
Spares: Carol Vadnais

Jacques Plante
Henrik Lundqvist​

ATD 2022 champions, Vancouver Millionaires (*note: 18-teams draft*)

GM: rmartin65 & ResilientBeast

Coach: Lester Patrick

Syd Howe --- Phil Esposito --- Hooley Smith (A)
Gordon Roberts --- Connor McDavid --- Nikita Kucherov
Fred Harris --- Patrice Bergeron --- Mickey MacKay
Ilya Kovalchuk --- Igor Larionov --- Eddie Oatman

Eddie Gerard (C) - Bobby Orr
Cyclone Taylor - Valeri Vasiliev (A)
Mike Grant - Cy Wentworth

Vladislav Tretiak
Andrei Vasilevskiy​

ATD 2023 champions, Nova Scotia Voyageurs (*note: 19-teams draft*)

GM: habsfan18 & Transplanted Caper

Head Coach: Hap Day

Sweeney Schriner-Stan Mikita (A)-Bernie Geoffrion
Roy Conacher-Peter Forsberg-Larry Aurie
Bob Gainey (C)-Dave Keon-Dirk Graham
Zach Parise-Mats Sundin-Tim Kerr
Blair Russell, Milan Novy

Larry Robinson (A)-Serge Savard
Guy Lapointe-Vladimir Konstantinov
Gus Mortson-Kevin Hatcher
Moose Vasko

Johnny Bower
Roy Worters​

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*Note: commentary below was written after ATD#11.*

And there are your champions. It is an interesting mix; it's hard to compare the 20 team and 32 team champions to the 28 teamers, but looking at the winners all together gives a flavor for where the ATD has been going at least since the inception of the playoff system. They are a fairly heterogenous group, and when you look at the evolution of the champions no particular philosophy of team-building emerges as the dominant form. There are, however, a few common threads that emerge:

- all of the champions have at least one top-15 defenseman on the roster. The weakest #1s we see among the former champions are Earl Seibert and Pierre Pilote, and every single champion has drafted a defenseman before the end of the 2nd round. Perhaps in the future we will see a team win the ATD without a top defenseman and break the mold the way pappy's Bisons did with Rayner in goal in ATD#9, but for now strength at the top end of the blueline seems to be the most common thread among the champions.

- all of the champions have 3rd lines that can score. None of the victors have pure checking 3rd lines, and the ATD#11 Bruins' 3rd line clearly favors offense over defense. Again, we could see a team break through with a pure checking 3rd line in future drafts, but it hasn't happened yet.

- the coaching is outstanding. Cecil Hart is probably the weakest of the championship coaches, and the rest are really top-notch.

- the parts on the scoringlines fit together. Every scoringline on every champion has at least one legit playmaker, goalscorer and physical presence. None of the championship scoring units are open to easy criticism based on an inability to compete in one or another area of the ice or aspect of the game.

- goaltending is surprisingly average. For all the talk we throw around about goal being the most important position on the ice, only one champion has featured a top-7 goaltender (the Clippers with Hall), and that team likely could have won with a much weaker goalie, such was the strength of the Nanaimo franchise at that time. We have yet to see a top goalie carry his team to a Milt Dunnell Cup.

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Four time champs:

Goal:

Grant Fuhr

Defense:

Babe Siebert
Rod Seiling

Three time champs:

Coach:

Tommy Ivan
Al Arbour
Lester Patrick

Forward:

Gordie Howe
Johnny Bucyk
Bobby Rousseau
Busher Jackson
Don Marshall
Jack Adams
Paul Kariya
Terry O'Reilly
Ryan Kesler
Sid Abel
Bobby Bauer
Hooley Smith
Gord Roberts

Defense:

Doug Harvey
Georges Boucher
Herb Gardiner
Jim Neilson
Cy Wentworth

Goal:
Rogie Vachon

Two time champs:

Coach:

Cecil Hart
Anatoli Tarasov
Billy Reay

Forward:

Adam Oates
Dean Prentice
Doug Risebrough
Newsy Lalonde
Don Marcotte
Vladimir Martinec
Troy Murray
Pierre Turgeon
Roy Conacher
Phil Goyette
Alex Delvecchio
Ed Litzenberger
Don McKenney
Ron Ellis
Dirk Graham
Harry Hyland
Ed Sandford
Reggie Fleming
Harry Watson
Murray Oliver
Denis Savard
Bill Cook
Sergei Kapustin
Ray Getliffe
Vladimir Vikulov
Pit Lepine
Frank Boucher
Frank Foyston
Bob Nevin
Paul Thompson
Tony Amonte
Jerry Toppazzini
Stan Mikita
Boris Mikhailov
Don Luce
Patrik Elias
Milt Schmidt
Neil Colville (once as C, once as D)
Pat Lafontaine
Vladimir Krutov
Guy Lafleur
Tony Leswick
Wayne Gretzky
Marty Barry
Lynn Patrick
Cooney Weiland
Claude Provost

Defense:

Bill Hajt
Ted Harris
Lloyd Cook
Jimmy Thomson
Hap Day
Ebbie Goodfellow
Ted Green
Jimmy Watson
Borje Salming
Brad Park
Bob Goldham
Red Kelly
Red Dutton
Allan Stanley
Earl Seibert
Bill White
P.K. Subban
Fred "Cyclone" Taylor

Goal:

Charlie Hodge
Dave Kerr
Roger Crozier
Chuck Rayner
Johnny Bower
Vladislav Tretiak

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NOTE: Following analysis done after ATD2013

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[Hedberg]

Thanks for putting this together Sturminator, it's fascinating.

I wonder if this retrospective will lead to goaltenders being selected lower next draft...

 

[seventieslord]

Prentice, Oates, Smith, Fuhr, Kerr, Marcotte, Risebrough, Lalonde, McKenney, Rousseau, Litzenberger, Harris, Hajt.

I believe those are all the 2-time ATD winners. And there are no 3-timers out there.

I couldn't begin to compare these rosters. We just, as a group, get far better at drafting each time. The stronger picks get taken earlier, and the weaker picks drop to the MLD. So although on the surface, the ATD 7 and 8 champs look like they could compete with the ATD 10 and 11 champs, I would give more credit to the recent champs for constructing these teams against a stronger field.

 

[Know Your Enemy]

Prentice, Oates, Smith, Fuhr, Kerr, Marcotte, Risebrough, Lalonde, McKenney, Rousseau, Litzenberger, Harris, Hajt.

I believe those are all the 2-time ATD winners.

Delvecchio as well.

 

[Sturminator]

Delvecchio as well.

Also Johnny Bucyk.

Al Arbour has coached two winners, as well.

 

[VanIslander]

UPDATE:

ATD #12 champions, Detroit Falcons:

Coach: Herb Brooks
Assistant Coach:Father David Bauer

Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt (C) - Bobby Bauer
Roy Conacher - Duke Keats (A) - Harry Hyland
Harry P. Watson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Ed Sandford - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver
extras: Reggie Fleming, Wally Hergesheimer

Bill Quackenbush - Jimmy Thomson (A)
Lionel Conacher (A) - Cyclone Wentworth
Art Duncan - Bucko McDonald

Terry Sawchuk
Mike Karakas
​

 

[EagleBelfour]

UPDATE:

ATD #12 champions, Detroit Falcons:

Coach: Herb Brooks
Assistant Coach:Father David Bauer

Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt (C) - Bobby Bauer
Roy Conacher - Duke Keats (A) - Harry Hyland
Harry P. Watson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Ed Sandford - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver
extras: Reggie Fleming, Wally Hergesheimer

Bill Quackenbush - Jimmy Thomson (A)
Lionel Conacher (A) - Cyclone Wentworth
Art Duncan - Bucko McDonald

Terry Sawchuk
Mike Karakas
​

- all of the champions have at least one top-15 defenseman on the roster. The weakest #1s we see among the former champions are Earl Seibert and Pierre Pilote, and every single champion has drafted a defenseman before the end of the 2nd round. Perhaps in the future we will see a team win the ATD without a top defenseman and break the mold the way pappy's Bisons did with Rayner in goal in ATD#9, but for now strength at the top end of the blueline seems to be the most common thread among the champions.

- all of the champions have 3rd lines that can score. None of the victors have pure checking 3rd lines, and the ATD#11 Bruins' 3rd line clearly favors offense over defense. Again, we could see a team break through with a pure checking 3rd line in future drafts, but it hasn't happened yet.

- the coaching is outstanding. Cecil Hart is probably the weakest of the championship coaches, and the rest are really top-notch.

- the parts on the scoringlines fit together. Every scoringline on every champion has at least one legit playmaker, goalscorer and physical presence. None of the championship scoring units are open to easy criticism based on an inability to compete in one or another area of the ice or aspect of the game.

- goaltending is surprisingly average. For all the talk we throw around about goal being the most important position on the ice, only one champion has featured a top-7 goaltender (the Clippers with Hall), and that team likely could have won with a much weaker goalie, such was the strength of the Nanaimo franchise at that time. We have yet to see a top goalie carry his team to a Milt Dunnell Cup.

Seems like my team changed a few threads.

 

[VanIslander]

UPDATE:

ATD 2010 champions, New Jersey Swamp Devils (*note: 30-team draft):

coach Tommy Ivan

Busher Jackson - Sid Abel (C) - Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk - Denis Savard - Vladimir Martinec
Don Marshall - Pit Lepine - Dirk Graham (A)
Jiri Holik - Murray Oliver - Wilf Paiement
Ray Getliffe

Börje Salming - Rob Blake
Babe Siebert (A) - Ted Green
Brian Engblom - Albert Leduc
Yuri Liapkin, Marty McSorley

Charlie Gardiner
Charlie Hodge​

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

UPDATE:

ATD 2010 champions, New Jersey Swamp Devils (*note: 30-team draft):

coach Tommy Ivan

Busher Jackson - Sid Abel (C) - Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk - Denis Savard - Vladimir Martinec
Don Marshall - Pit Lepine - Dirk Graham (A)
Jiri Holik - Murray Oliver - Wilf Paiement
Ray Getliffe

Börje Salming - Rob Blake
Babe Siebert (A) - Ted Green
Brian Engblom - Albert Leduc
Yuri Liapkin, Marty McSorley

Charlie Gardiner
Charlie Hodge​

-Another team with outstanding coaching and average goaltending. Was EB's championship team just a very well constructed exception to the norm? The Swamp Devils also don't have a Top 15 defenseman, but they still have a "legit #1" who always gets drafted by the end of the second round.

-Tommy Ivan joins Al Arbour as a two-time winner of the Milt Dunnell Cup. Both times, Ivan was teamed with Gordie Howe (the only Top 4 All-Time player with a Milt Dunnell Cup).

-NJ's 3rd line isn't offensively inept, but they are probably the closest thing to a "pure checking line" on any of the champions.

I see two things in common among all the champions:

1) The parts of each scoring line fit together. Every scoring line of every champion has a mix of goal scoring, playmaking, and puck winning.

2) Every championship team looks to have drafted 1 forward and 1 defenseman/goalie with their first 2 picks. This makes sense, as teams need to be able to both score and prevent goals at a high level.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I believe these are all the two-time winners of the Milt Dunnell Cup:

Forwards: Johnny Bucyk, Roy Conacher, Alex Delvecchio, Reg Fleming, Dirk Graham, Phil Goyette, Gordie Howe, Harry Hyland, Busher Jackson, Newsy Lalonde, Ed Litzenberger, Don Marcotte, Don Marshall, Vladimir Martinec, Don McKenney, Adam Oates, Dean Prentice, Doug Risebrough, Ed Sandford, Denis Savard, Hooley Smith

Defensemen: Bill Hajt, Ted Harris, Babe Siebert, Cy Wentworth

Goaltenders: Grant Fuhr, Dave Kerr, Charlie Hodge

Coaches = Al Arbour, Tommy Ivan

Bobby Rousseau is still in a class by himself as the only three-time winner of the Milt Dunnell Cup.

 

[Leafs Forever]

Is there not a disproportionate amount of really old player in there?

It really depends on your definition of "old". There have been over 100 years of hockey history, and the best teams are teams that appreciate all era's, so as such there are going to be more "old" than "new" players, because there are more "old" than "new" era's.

If someone had the time, it'd be interesting to break up time periods into era's and then count the number of championship players in each era.

 

[seventieslord]

It really depends on your definition of "old". There have been over 100 years of hockey history, and the best teams are teams that appreciate all era's, so as such there are going to be more "old" than "new" players, because there are more "old" than "new" era's.

If someone had the time, it'd be interesting to break up time periods into era's and then count the number of championship players in each era.

that would be such a binary exercise that wouldn't really prove anything. It would be akin to "cup counting" - one team wins, 29 lose. If you make the finals three times, you still lost three times, just like the three-time first round fodder lost three times.

 

[advantage2006]

-Another team with outstanding coaching and average goaltending. Was EB's championship team just a very well constructed exception to the norm?

What sticks out to me is how his defensemen are put together. They all really fit eachother's styles and while they aren't the most well known guys out there, when you can construct a six man group that work well together...you are going to have success. Add the fact that he had Sawchuk backing them up and a very good group of forwards...and there you have it.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

It really depends on your definition of "old". There have been over 100 years of hockey history, and the best teams are teams that appreciate all era's, so as such there are going to be more "old" than "new" players, because there are more "old" than "new" era's.

Well look at the ATD #12 champions for example. Nothing against EB's team, Im just using it as an example. They're all from the 1900's-1940's, thats definitely not appreciating all of the era's. It seems like the older the better and that team is a perfect example.

 

[Leafs Forever]

Well look at the ATD #12 champions for example. Nothing against EB's team, Im just using it as an example. They're all from the 1900's-1940's, thats definitely not appreciating all of the era's. It seems like the older the better and that team is a perfect example.

There's actually quite a number of later 06ers. 1900-1960 isn't a bad thing to span. You're right, not a lot of modern players, but I don't think we should jump down older or newer slanted teams. We could well see some 1950-2000 teams, and I don't think there'd be too much wrong with that, and I think they have every bit a chance as an older slant.

Besides that, modern players are certainly getting more appreciated now.

And, just passing through, I think the champions generally have a nice array of players of all era's.

 

[VanIslander]

UPDATE:

ATD 2011 champions, Regina Pats (*note: 40-team draft):

GM: seventieslord

Coach: Fred Shero

Johnny Bucyk - Mark Messier (C) - Teemu Selanne
Jack Adams - Pierre Turgeon - Wayne Cashman (A)
Mel Bridgman - Murray Oliver - Bob Nevin
Dubbie Kerr - Cal Gardner - Al MacAdam
Extras: Bob MacMillan, Andre Boudrais

King Clancy - Hap Day (A)
Jim Neilson (A) - Leo Reise Jr.
Wade Redden - Joe Watson
Bryan MacCabe, Lou Fontinato

Tony Esposito
Roger Crozier​

 

[Velociraptor]

I believe Johnny Bucyk is the only one from this years championship to join the exclusive 3-time champion category.

 

[seventieslord]

I believe Johnny Bucyk is the only one from this years championship to join the exclusive 3-time champion category.

Day, Neilson, Oliver and Crozier join the list of two-timers as well. I believe that is all. (wow, I COMPLETELY forgot that TDMM had Murray Oliver last draft!)

*which is sort of interesting in that Day, Oliver and Crozier are three of the four picks I made that I became slightly less impressed with after drafting them. It's not that they're bad, but I was disappointed in what I was able to find on Day (I need to go back to the newspapers, I think, but he's so hard to search for), the excitement at Murray Oliver's ES scoring was quickly tempered by the fact that it was very difficult to find anything in print supporting his greatness, and Crozier seemed to be just a Ranford with a 1st AST, or a Giguere with a 1st AST instead of a cup. Could I have done any better with that pick? I don't think I could have, but he didn't quite meet my standard for a backup.

I don't regret those picks (why should I?) but they weren't the "value" that some of my other guys were.

 

[Sturminator]

Day, Neilson, Oliver and Crozier join the list of two-timers as well. I believe that is all. (wow, I COMPLETELY forgot that TDMM had Murray Oliver last draft!).

Add Jack Adams to the list. He centered my 4th line in ATD#10.

 

[Sturminator]

Here's an interesting game - list of players who have skated for back-to-back championship teams. Here goes:

ATD#6 champion: Adam Oates, Bobby Rousseau, Doug Risebrough and Ted Harris

to

ATD#7 champion: Adam Oates, Bobby Rousseau, Doug Risebrough and Ted Harris
+ Newsy Lalonde, Don Marcotte and Bill Hajt

to

ATD#8 champion: Newsy Lalonde, Don Marcotte and Bill Hajt
+ [Nobody]

to

ATD#9 champion: [Nobody]
+ Ed Litzenberger

to

ATD#10 champion: Ed Litzenberger
+ Don McKenney, Grant Fuhr and Dave Kerr

to

ATD#11 champion: Don McKenney, Grant Fuhr and Dave Kerr
+ Harry Hyland, Ed Sandford and Reggie Fleming

to

ATD#12 champion: Harry Hyland, Ed Sandford and Reggie Fleming
+ [Nobody]

to

ATD 2010 champion: [Nobody]
+ Murray Oliver

to

ATD 2011 champion: Murray Oliver
+ ???????

 

[Sturminator]

No player has skated for three Milt Dunnel Cup champions in a row, which is not surprising. The odds of someone pulling a double with each iteration are not long, given the number of players per team and the size of the league, but the odds of pulling a triple are quite remote. We'll see if Murray Oliver's team this year can pull it off.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

All the Champs before #12 are retired and it's not as fun without their posts.

 

[seventieslord]

No player has skated for three Milt Dunnel Cup champions in a row, which is not surprising. The odds of someone pulling a double with each iteration are not long, given the number of players per team and the size of the league, but the odds of pulling a triple are quite remote. We'll see if Murray Oliver's team this year can pull it off.

Oliver is due for a big jump, it would seem.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Oliver is due for a big jump, it would seem.

Eh, I don't think he was exactly the key to either of our teams.

 

[seventieslord]

Eh, I don't think he was exactly the key to either of our teams.

should have used the sarcasm emoticon...